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I need more data storage...
    #5145007 - 01/05/06 09:57 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Hey y'all! I just got DSL and am about to go crazy downloading music. Only problem is I don't have any space. I have an iBook G4 with a 60 GB hard drive that is almost full. I guess I want an external hard drive, maybe 150-200 GB, USB. Any suggestions? It seems cheaper to buy the enclosure and the hard drive seperate, but I don't know how easy that is to put together. I am a little slow when it comes to the technical side of computers (which is why I got the Mac :smile: ) but I imagine I just put the hard drive in the enclosure and screw it in place. Plug and play. Is it that easy? Any help would be greatly appreciated. :thumbup:


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Re: I need more data storage... [Re: ToolTroll]
    #5145208 - 01/05/06 10:37 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

its very easy to put together.


best buy right now has a hitachi 7200rpm 160gb internal for $119 with an $80 rebate.

the inclosure is around $50.....

check www.newegg.com and www.tigerdirect.com


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Re: I need more data storage... [Re: Jim]
    #5145233 - 01/05/06 10:45 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Awesome, thanks for the links. :thumbup:
Do these size hard drives need fans in the enclosure?


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Re: I need more data storage... [Re: ToolTroll]
    #5145245 - 01/05/06 10:49 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

the enclosure already has the fan and power supply. all you need is a screwdriver to put it all together. so easy.

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Re: I need more data storage... [Re: ToolTroll]
    #5145290 - 01/05/06 11:05 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

does that ibook have usb 2.0 or firewire? cause if its usb 1.1 it will be slower than death...


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Re: I need more data storage... [Re: Jim]
    #5145317 - 01/05/06 11:19 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

gema - thanks, you give me confidence. :smile:
GratefulJim - it has both firewire and USB 2.0. Should I go with a firewire case?


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Re: I need more data storage... [Re: ToolTroll]
    #5145580 - 01/06/06 12:26 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I think firewire is faster on a mac.


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Re: I need more data storage... [Re: Jim]
    #5145711 - 01/06/06 01:17 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

usb 2.0 = 480 mbps
firewire = 400 mbps

PC or Mac has nothing to do with it afaik. Mac just popularized firewire.


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Re: I need more data storage... [Re: supercollider]
    #5145718 - 01/06/06 01:22 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

see thats what I thought, but when I googled it to be sure I found reports saying otherwise...


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Re: I need more data storage... [Re: Jim]
    #5145723 - 01/06/06 01:25 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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INSIGHTS:
1. USB 2.0 is much slower than FireWire 400 and 800. Apple states that the USB 2.0 ports on their Macs support transfer rates up to 480 megaBITS per second (Mbps), which translates to 60 megaBYTES per second (MB/s). The most we saw was 144 megaBITS per second or 18 megaBYTES per second.

Think about it. FireWire 400 is rated at 400 megaBITS per second (50 megaBYTES per second) -- 80 megaBITS slower rating than USB 2.0 -- yet when exact same drive/enclosure is plugged into the FireWire 400 port, it goes almost twice as fast!

You can't blame it on the drive, because, as you can see from the FireWire 800 tests, the drive is capable of transfer rates much higher. Some blame it on Apple's USB 2.0 drivers or the USB 2.0 bridge chips. I can't comment on that.

The Windows PC implementation of USB 2.0 puts the Mac to shame. Today we tested the same USB 2.0 drive/enclosure on a Windows PC (3GHz Pentium 4) with built-in USB 2.0 on the motherboard, similar to Apple's approach. We measured 33MB/s READ and 27MB/s WRITE.

NOTE: We formatted the test drive as "Mac OS Extended" or HFS+ when testing on the Mac. Then we reformatted the drive in NTFS when I moved the drive to the Windows PC.

2. The G5 posted sustained WRITE speeds SLOWER than the much cheaper eMac! Take a good look at the "WRITE" graph above. The G5 was slower than the eMac in the sustained WRITE speed tests -- that includes USB 2.0 and FireWire 400. And as we've seen before, the G5 was slower than the PowerBook in the FireWire 800 WRITE test. There's something seriously inefficient going on in the I/O "guts" of the G5! It's pretty sad when the "world's fastest personal computer" gets beat by the eMac running at a fraction of the clock speed and costing a fraction of the price.

3. There's some confusion about USB terminology. There are expressions tossed around like "Full Speed" and "High Speed" or "Hi-Speed." According to EveryThingUSB.com, some vendors who call their USB 1.1 products "Full Speed USB" to make them sound faster than 12 megaBITS per second -- but that's misleading at best. Apple's USB page adds to the confusion by calling USB 1.1 (12Mbps) "High Speed." Both are wrong. Apple does a better job on their FireWire page where they compare FireWire 800 to USB 2.0 as well as FireWire 400.

The official USB website states, "The USB-IF?s recommended nomenclature for consumers is ?USB? for slower speed products (1.5 Mb/s and 12Mb/s) and ?Hi-Speed USB? for high-speed products (480Mb/s), as signified in the USB logos that were introduced in late 2000. In short, consumers wishing to be certain they are getting the performance they paid for in their USB products can use the logo for clarification."

SOURCES OF TEST PRODUCTS
The eMac 1.25GHz was tested at the local Apple Retail Store. The G5/2.0GHz MP Power Mac and Aluminum G4/1.5GHz PowerBook were tested in the Bare Feats lab.

The combination USB 2.0, FireWire 400 and FireWire 800 drive enclosure and 7K250 PATA drive was provided courtesy of Other World Computing.

Test software (QuickBench X) was provided courtesy of Intech.

http://www.barefeats.com/usb2.html />



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Re: I need more data storage... [Re: Jim]
    #5145869 - 01/06/06 03:12 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

A lot of the g4 apple laptops have a single USB 1 port and one or more USB 2 ports. They are not labeled differently, so it is very easy to be using the slower port by accident.


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Re: I need more data storage... [Re: ToolTroll]
    #5146403 - 01/06/06 11:13 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the help, I think I've just about decided what I'm getting.
This hard drive:  250 GB Seagate
with this enclosure:  Multicolored Firewire enclosure
Look okay? Seems like a reasonable price, after rebate the drive is only 80 dollars, plus a 40 dollar case (I had to go with a pricier one for the colors :smile: ). I think I'm gonna do it!


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Re: I need more data storage... [Re: Jim]
    #5146944 - 01/06/06 01:14 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I stand corrected. Looks like Apple has a pretty craptacular implementation of USB. And I didn't even know there was such a thing as Firewire 800.


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Re: I need more data storage... [Re: supercollider]
    #5147050 - 01/06/06 01:35 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

no need to feel bad, I thought the exact same thing as you until I googled it to be sure.

I still wonder though.


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Re: I need more data storage... [Re: ToolTroll]
    #5147401 - 01/06/06 03:00 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I'm sure that enclosure will work fine for your purposes, but if its going to be constantly on so you can download, you might want to find something with a fan to help cool. The downside with a lot of enclosures have very loud fans.

As far as the difference between Firewire and USB, for this application, unless you have some sort of super DSL, I doubt that you will be downloading faster than 1mb/second. So I think as far as storage for file sharing, either interface will be fine.

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Re: I need more data storage... [Re: daussaulit]
    #5148233 - 01/06/06 05:33 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

On my way to filling up my Maxtor Onetouch 200gb external.......... so far i freakin love the thing :smile:

usb or firewire compatible....works with mac and windows....


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