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Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works
    #5137844 - 01/04/06 09:58 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

I noticed after reading a few reviews on Amazon and some replies by shroomerites that many consider the Don Juan series nothing more than well-written fiction. Considering Castaneda was completely inaccessible by the media, however, there's almost no chance of proving or disproving his 'tales of power'. The argument is that he portrays himself a little too dense, and often goes back in time in several books to write about the experiences he didnt mention in the predescending series. Looking at that argument as a whole, however, it makes it look quite illogical and silly. The simplicity of the author only pushes Don Juan to break down his vague teachings into more understandeable clusters, and who doesnt always forget a tangent of an event when they're telling a story?

I know he's got some followers here, so what are your views on the authenticity? Truth or Fiction?



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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Fospher]
    #5137953 - 01/04/06 11:10 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

sometimes I prefer dr. strange, or lobsang rampa's cat; but The Frank Book is most sublime.


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Fospher]
    #5137970 - 01/04/06 11:16 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

My view is this issue is beside the point and so is of no importance whatsoever.


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Icelander]
    #5138124 - 01/04/06 12:33 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

It's for real.


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Fospher]
    #5138130 - 01/04/06 12:35 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Personally, I dont really care. I feel its what you get from reading his works, and how you weave them into your own life. I think thats the most important part.


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Icelander]
    #5138132 - 01/04/06 12:37 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

I agree, precisely.

as if when one takes a step in magic they need to flip out a detective's badge or show their diploma.

our heroes have been trapped in TV land - which of course drains directly into Ixtlan.

even Entertainment Tonight is just fliers and allys but one needs to breathe through that morass of tune and flash to make progress beyond the couch potato stage.

like the temptation of st. anthony.


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5138285 - 01/04/06 01:19 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

If i ever had the chance to live the lucid dream that Tom Cruz did in Vanilla Sky, I would choose to put myself in Castanedas shoes and walk the endless journey to the other side with Don Juan Matus.

And I agree with all of the above. As with the story of Buddha, it does not matter if any of the historical tales are true, what matters are the lessons to be learned.


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Fospher]
    #5138479 - 01/04/06 02:13 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

however, there's almost no chance of proving or disproving his 'tales of power'.

False. Do more research.


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: SilentSeed]
    #5138499 - 01/04/06 02:17 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Personally, I dont really care. I feel its what you get from reading his works, and how you weave them into your own life. I think thats the most important part.

Exactly! So what my cliff-jumping experience didn't go so well and I cracked my luminous egg?

Excuse me, gotta take my wheelchair in for annual maintenance. Back shortly. No wait, first I have to visit my buddy in the sanitorium after he experimented with datura...


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Swami]
    #5138591 - 01/04/06 02:38 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Jeesh Swami, You been beating this dead horse every since I've known you. Can you get over the parts that are story/fiction and deal with some of the philosophy in the books.

Here's some quotes for you. Find some to pick apart and we can discuss them. You might have a lot more trouble with these.

http://www.thinkarete.com/quotes/by_teacher/carlos_castaneda


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Swami]
    #5138747 - 01/04/06 03:12 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

if you cracked your egg let's make breakfast


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Icelander]
    #5138752 - 01/04/06 03:12 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

This thread is different. It is about Cantaneda, the singer...  :grin:

Also this was about THE AUTHENTICITY of the works and not a discussion of those interesting quotes you referenced, was it not?

You keep beating the dead horse about me beating the dead horse (and so on). BTW, why does it bother you what I post? Let's examine that? There is some REAL learning to be had.



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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Swami]
    #5138788 - 01/04/06 03:21 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Start another thread. :evildog:


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Swami]
    #5138803 - 01/04/06 03:25 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Also this was about THE AUTHENTICITY of the works and not a discussion of those interesting quotes you referenced, was it not?

You are correct. My bad.  :frown:


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Icelander]
    #5138828 - 01/04/06 03:33 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

That's OK. I didn't report you for your blatant off-topic post.  :laugh:


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Swami]
    #5138832 - 01/04/06 03:34 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

I turned myself in knowing full well the mods would never respond. :wink:


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Icelander]
    #5138897 - 01/04/06 03:51 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Touche! :rofl2:


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Swami]
    #5139340 - 01/04/06 05:41 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

You can only take a lie so far. Write 10 books about it, and eventually the truth comes out. Im not out there to prove his works fiction or truth, and after googling a few articles, the arguments questioning the authenticity seem petty and baseless (such as Castaneda being 'too dense').

Also, Castaneda wasnt just a con artist trying to scam people out by playing with their beliefs - he lived what he wrote about till the ripe age of 72. That'd be one long trick to play on people, huh?  :wink:


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Icelander]
    #5139374 - 01/04/06 05:49 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
My view is this issue is beside the point and so is of no importance whatsoever.




I like this view as well :thumbup:


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Fospher]
    #5139377 - 01/04/06 05:49 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

the arguments seem petty and baseless (such as Castaneda being 'too dense').
That is not what I am talking about. There are major timeline discrepancies wherein he claimed to be in the Sonoran Desert when he was actually in LA. (Please - no bi-location excuse!) There are anthropological claims that go against all other sources and nonsensical claims such as the smoking of mushrooms.

Also, Castaneda wasnt just a con artist trying to scam people out by playing with their beliefs
And you know this how - because he lived a normal life span? Are con-artists supposed to die younger?


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