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 Fluxburn .   Registered: 10/22/04 Posts: 2,216 Loc: Oakland, CA, USA 
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Hey started by saying morning glories are ok. Then he said LSD was bad because it mutates the DNA of your children. I went on to explain LSA is what is in morning glories and that LSD does not mutate your DNA. LSD mutating your DNA is 1960's propaganda for LSD.
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Kerr Who else would I  Registered: 02/05/05 Posts: 1,611 Loc: My roots in the Last seen: 5 years, 6 months |
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-------------------- "Easy going and organic thoughts bent on self experimentation and knowledge and growth for the betterment of self and those around us" -Playdo the philosophiser
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 TheHateCamel Research &Development -DBK Registered: 01/31/03 Posts: 15,738 |
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In the last decade, a serious new dimension has been added to the LSD controversy. A number of scientific papers have been published indicating that LSD might cause structural changes in the chromosomes, genetic mutations, disturbances of embryonic development, and malignant degeneration of cells. However a comparable number of publications question the accuracy of these allegations. Some are independent experimental studies which have yielded negative results, others criticize the original papers for serious conceptual and methodological inadequacies. Despite all the experimental work done in this area, and the vast expenditure of time and energy, the results are ambiguous and contradictory. It seems appropriate to include in this book a critical review of all the relevant research because the issue is extraordinarily important to the future of LSD psychotherapy. The following discussion is based almost exclusively on careful study of the existing literature. I have limited firsthand research experience in this area, and genetics is not my primary field of interest and expertise. In the LSD study conducted in the Psychiatric Research Institute in Prague we did not examine the effect of LSD on the chromosomes or its implications for heredity; there were at that time no experimental or clinical observations that would suggest the need for such studies. The first paper that attracted the attention of scientists to this area did not appear until the late 1960's. (22)* After my arrival in the United States, I participated in a major study concentrating on structural changes of the chromosomes in the white blood cells following LSD administration. This was one of the few genetic studies using pure pharmaceutical LSD, a double-blind approach, and comparison of the samples before and after the administration of the drug. (106) The material discussed in this review will be divided into several thematic groups. The first group includes papers describing structural changes of the chromosomes produced by LSD in vitro,** in these experiments various concentrations of LSD are added to cultures of cells from human, animal, or plant tissues in a test-tube. The second group involves in vivo studies of LSD; in this type of research the effect of LSD is studied after the substance has been ingested by or injected into animals or humans. The papers in the third group describe the results of experiments studying the influence of LSD on the genes, and its mutagenic effects. It includes a small number of papers dealing with the detailed mechanism of the action of LSD on the deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA), the most important constituent of the chromosomes. The fourth group consists of publications describing the consequences of LSD administration on the growth, development and differentiation of human and animal embryos. Finally, the fifth group comprises papers focusing on the possible link between LSD and the development of malignant changes in cells, especially in the case of leukemia. In the following sections, the most relevant findings in these five thematic categories will be briefly reviewed and critically evaluated. THE EFFECT OF LSD ON CHROMOSOMAL STRUCTURE The possibility of inducing structural changes in the chromosomes by exogenous agents such as radiation, viruses, and a variety of chemicals, has been a subject of great scientific interest for a long time. The genetic controversy about LSD started in 1967 when Cohen, Marinello and Back (22) published a paper suggesting that LSD should be added to the list of substances capable of causing abnormalities in the chromosomes. Because of the widespread use of LSD, this information created vivid interest in scientific circles, and a number of investigators focused their attention on this area. Two major approaches were used in these studies; in some the effect of LSD on the chromosomes was studied in the test tube (in vitro), in others in the living organism (in vivo). The cells studied were in most cases human white blood cells (lymphocytes). In the in vitro studies, the blood samples were drawn from normal, healthy persons with no history of prior drug injection, radiation exposure, or recent viral infection. After incubation at 37? centigrade in appropriate media, colcemide was added to stop the cell division at the stage of metaphase. The cells were then harvested, made into specifically stained cytological preparations and examined with phase contrast microscopy. During the period of incubation, LSD dissolved in sterile distilled water was added to the experimental cultures in various concentrations. In the in vivo studies, the blood samples were drawn from subjects who had been exposed to either "street acid" (illicit material allegedly containing LSD) or pharmaceutically pure LSD. In most of these studies, the chromosomes were examined after the exposure to LSD (retrospective approach); in a minority of these studies, the checkups were done both before and after the administration of the drug (prospective approach). The technical procedure employed in the in vivo studies did not differ significantly from that described for the in vitro approach. A special and rather important subgroup of the in vivo studies are reports about the influence of LSD on the chromosomes of the germinal cells (meiotic chromosomes). IN VITRO STUDIES Cohen, Marinello and Back (22) added LSD to cultured human leucocytes obtained from two healthy individuals. They used five concentrations ranging from 0.001 to 10.0 micrograms of LSD per cubic centimeter (cc), and the time of exposure was 4, 24, and 48 hours. The incidence of chromosome breaks for treated cells was at least twice that of control cells for all treatments, except at the lowest concentration and time (0.001 micrograms of LSD per cc for four hours) where no difference existed between treated and control cells. There was no simple linear relationship between the frequency of these aberrations and the LSD dosage or duration of exposure. In a later study, Cohen, Hirschhorn and Frosch (20) described the results of a larger study in which they used peripheral leucocyte cultures from six normal, healthy persons; the concentrations of LSD and the times of exposure were the same as in the original study. They found a significant inhibition of cellular division (mitosis) on addition of the drug in any concentration. The suppression of mitosis was directly proportional to the duration of exposure. The lowest frequency of chromosomal breakage among the controls was 3.9 percent of cells; among the treated cultures, the lowest frequency was almost twice the control (7.7 percent) and ranged to over four times the control value (17.5 percent). In 1968, Jarvik et al. (63) tried to replicate some of the in vitro experiments of Cohen's group. In addition to LSD, they used as testing substances ergonovine (a drug commonly used in obstetric practice), aspirin, and streptonigrine. They found a higher incidence of chromosome breaks in the LSD samples (10.2 percent with the range 0.0-15.0) as compared to the control samples (5.2 percent with the range from 0.0-9.0). They found, however, approximately the same breakage rate with aspirin (10.0 percent) and ergonovine (9.6 percent). The concentration of LSD in blood used in this study approximates the level reached one to four hours after injection of 1,000 micrograms of LSD. On the other hand, the level of aspirin used was considerably below the common therapeutic level. Streptonigrine, a substance with a well-known dramatic effect on the chromosomes, induced chromosome breakage in 35 percent of the examined cells. It is interesting to note that two of the eight cases described in this paper did not respond to LSD with an increase in chromosome breaks. Corey et al. (24) performed an in vitro study in ten individuals; 1 microgram per cc of LSD was added to the culture during the last twenty-four hours of incubation. The authors found an increase in chromosome breaks in all ten subjects. Although the in vitro concentration of LSD was much greater than any known comparable ingested dosage, the mean increase of 4.65 breaks per 100 cells was small compared to the range of frequencies (0.0-15.2) observed in the untreated cultures. In this connection it is interesting to mention that Singh, Kalia and Jain (92) found an increased incidence of chromosome breakage in the cells of barley root as a result of exposure to LSD in the concentration 25 micrograms per cc. On the other hand, MacKenzie and Stone (73) reported negative results of experiments on lymphocytes, hamster fibroblasts and on the plant Vicia faba. The above-mentioned findings of structural changes in chromosomes following LSD administration became the basis of speculations concerning the possible influence of this drug on genetic mutations, fetal development and malignancy. In the atmosphere of national hysteria then existing, the original report of Cohen, Marinello and Back (22) was widely publicized by the mass media. As a result, the significance of their findings was considerably over-emphasized, and many premature conclusions were drawn for which there was not sufficient scientific justification. Several important facts have to be taken into consideration before we can draw any substantial conclusions from the findings of increased chromosome breakage associated with LSD in the in vitro experiments. It must be emphasized that the findings themselves were not completely consistent. In several studies there were no indications of increased chromosome breakage following the exposure to LSD. (27, 73, 105). In addition, the concentrations of LSD and durations of exposure used in these studies were usually much greater than those occurring in the human organism after the ingestion of LSD in the commonly used dosages. Cohen, Marinello and Back (22) themselves did not find increased breakage of chromosomes at the lowest concentration and time (0.001 micrograms of LSD per cc for four hours). Loughman et al. (70) emphasized that it is precisely the lowest concentration and duration of exposure used in this study that most closely approximates the expected concentration in blood, liver and other organs after a dose of 100 micrograms of LSD ingested by a man weighing 70 kg. If the metabolic degradation of LSD is considered, then the effective concentration in vivo of unchanged LSD would be considerably less than this, approximating 0.0001 micrograms per cc?a concentration used only by Kato and Jarvik, (65) who found no increase in breakage at this dosage. In general, special caution is required in extrapolating the in vitro findings to the situation in the living organism. The intact human organism differs from isolated cells in the test tube in its enormous complexity and in its ability to detoxify and excrete noxious compounds. Substances that are toxic in vitro do not necessarily have the same effect in vivo. In addition, some of the techniques used in the in vitro studies can create an artificial situation and introduce factors that do not exist in the living organism. This issue has been discussed in detail in an excellent review on LSD and genetic damage by Dishotsky et al. (28) These authors point to the fact that all the studies on cultured lymphocytes have used modifications of a technique in which the lymphocytes are stimulated by phytohemagglutinin to enter the reproductive cell cycle. In the normal state in vivo, small lymphocytes are in a phase of growth which precedes DNA synthesis; they do not grow, divide or enter the cell cycle. Thus, in the studies in vitro, lymphocytes are exposed to chemical agents during developmental stages of the cell cycle, including the synthesis of DNA, which do not normally occur in these cells in the body. Damage to a lymphocyte in this phase generally will not manifest itself as chromatid-type change in a subsequent division. Most, if not all chromatid-type changes are initiated by technical procedures, and the great majority of lesions reported in the in vitro and in vivo studies were of the chromatid type. The findings of an increased rate of chromosomal breakage in lymphocytes exposed to LSD in vitro must therefore be interpreted with great caution. Many recent studies concerning the structural changes caused in chromosomes by LSD gave the impression that this effect was something specific and unique. Most of these reports have silently bypassed a fact that would have made the issue much less interesting and sensational. The changes in chromosomal structure described are not exclusively caused by LSD; they can be induced by a variety of other conditions and substances. Factors that have been known to cause chromosomal breakage in vitro include radiation, changes in temperature, variations in oxygen pressure, impurities in tap water unless it is distilled twice, and a variety of common viruses. The long list of chemical substances that increase the chromosomal breakage rates contains many commonly used drugs, including aspirin and other salicylates, artificial sweeteners, the insecticide DDT, morphine, caffeine, theobromine, theophylline, tranquilizers of the phenothiazine type, some vitamins and hormones, and many antibiotics such as aureomycin, chloromycetin, terramycin, streptomycin and penicillin. In this connection it is interesting to quote Sharma and Sharma, (91) who have written an extensive summary of the literature on chemically induced chromosome breaks: "Since the first induction of chromosomal mutations by chemicals and the demonstration of definite chromosome breakage by Oehlkers, such a vast multitude of chemicals have been shown to possess chromosome breaking properties that the problem has become increasingly complex." Jarvik, (61) discussing the paper by Judd, Brandkamp and McGlothlin, (64) was even more explicit: "... and it is likely that any compound added at the appropriate time, in the appropriate amount, to the appropriate cell type, will cause chromosome breaks." IN VIVO STUDIES Because of the limitations of the in vitro approach, in vivo studies are preferred for assessing the possible genetic dangers associated with administration of LSD. Unfortunately, of the twenty-one reports that have been published by seventeen laboratories many have serious methodological shortcomings and are more or less inadequate, while individual reports contradict each other and their overall results are inconclusive. Two major approaches have been used in the in vivo studies. In fourteen of these projects, subjects were exposed to illicit substances of unknown composition and potency, some of which were alleged to be LSD. In eleven studies, individuals were exposed to known quantities of pharmaceutically pure LSD in experimental or therapeutic settings. Dishotsky et al. (28) published a review in which they presented a synopsis of the studies of this kind conducted prior to 1971. According to this review, of a total of 310 subjects studied, only 126 were treated with pure LSD; the other 184 subjects were exposed to illicit or "alleged" LSD. Eighteen of the 126 subjects (14.29 percent) in the group given pure LSD showed a higher frequency of chromosome aberration than the controls. In contrast, 89 of the 184 subjects (48.9 percent) in the group taking illicit LSD showed an increased incidence of aberrations?more than three times the frequence reported for subjects given pharmacologically pure LSD. Only 16.67 percent (18 of 108) of all the subjects reported to have chromosome damage, were given pure LSD. There is, therefore, good reason to discuss the two categories of in vivo studies, those with pure and those with "alleged" LSD, separately. Illicit LSD and Chromosomal Damage The initial findings of chromosomal damage in illicit LSD users were reported by Irwin and Egozcue. (57) They compared a group of eight illicit LSD users with a group of nine controls. The users had a mean breakage rate of 23.4 percent, more than double the 11.0 percent rate in the controls. Only two of the eight users did not have increased breakage rates. In a later and more extensive study carried out by Egozcue, Irwin and Maruffo, (33) the mean breakage rate in forty-six illicit LSD users was 18.76 percent (with a range between 8 and 45 percent); this was more than double the rate of 9.03 percent found in control cells. Only three of the forty-six users did not have a breakage rate higher than the mean control rate In addition, the authors studied the chromosomes of four infants exposed to LSD in utero. All four showed breakage rates above the mean control value. There was no evidence of disease or physical malformation in any of these children. These findings were supported by Cohen, Hirschhorn and Frosch, (20) who studied eighteen subjects exposed to illicit LSD. They described an increased chromosomal breakage in this group (mean 13.2 percent) which was more than triple that of the control group (3.8 percent). The authors also examined the chromosomes of four children born to three mothers who took LSD during pregnancy. The frequency of chromosome breaks was elevated in all four, and was greater in the two children who were exposed to LSD during the third and fourth months of pregnancy than in the two infants exposed to low doses of LSD late in pregnancy. In a later paper, Cohen et al. (21) reported that thirteen adults exposed to illicit LSD showed chromosome breakage rates that were above the control mean. In nine children exposed to illicit LSD in utero, they found a mean breakage of 9.2 percent, as compared with 4.0 percent in four children whose mothers had used illicit LSD before but not during pregnancy. The breakage rate in the control group was 1.0 percent. All but two children had been exposed to other drugs during pregnancy; all were in good health and showed no birth defects. Nielsen, Friedrich and Tsuboi (82) found that their ten subjects exposed to illicit LSD had a mean breakage rate of 2.5 percent; this was significantly higher than that of the control group (0.2 percent). However, the allegedly pathological 2.5 percent rate is lower than that of the controls in other positive studies. A number of investigators have not been able to demonstrate increased chromosome breakage in LSD users. The synoptic paper by Dishotsky et al. (28), quotes nine groups of researchers who reported negative results of similar studies. At the present time, therefore, the results of the in vivo studies are considered rather controversial and at best inconclusive. Many investigators have attempted to offer explanations for the existing discrepancies between positive and negative reports. Some have criticized the breakage rate for controls in the studies by Cohen et al. (21) (3.8 percent) and Irwin and Egozcue (57) (11.9 percent and 9.03 percent) as being unusually high. Others have suggested that the high control values could have resulted from viral contamination of the cultures, insufficiently fortified media interfering with chromosome repair, technical variation in cell culturing, and the approach to chromosome evaluation. It was also pointed out that in these studies, chromosome-type and chromatid-type changes were not reported separately but were combined and then converted to "equivalent numbers of breaks." Combining the two types of aberrations in a single index obscures the distinction between real chromosome damage occurring in vivo and damage arising in the course of cell culture. However, these factors cannot account for the discrepancies between the findings of various teams of investigators. If they did, the aberrations resulting from these effects would be randomly distributed between groups exposed to illicit LSD and control groups. Since the distribution is uneven, these factors do not explain the significantly elevated breakage rates in eighty of the eighty-six subjects exposed to illicit LSD studied by Cohen et al. and by Irwin and Egozcue. A much more important clue to the understanding of this controversy seems to be related to certain characteristics of the group of the "LSD users." In this type of research, the investigators depend on the recall and reliability of the subjects in determining the type of drugs they have used in the past, the number and frequency of exposures, the alleged dosages, and interval since last exposure. Even in cases where the reports are accurate, the subjects usually do not know the content and the quality of the samples they are using. The content of pure LSD in the illicit LSD samples is almost always questionable, and various impurities and admixtures rather frequent. The samples analyzed in the past have been demonstrated to contain amphetamines, mescaline, DOM (4-methyl-2, 5-dimethoxyamphetamine, also called STP), phencyclidine (phenylcyclohexylpiperidine, PCP or "angel dust"), benactyzine and even strychnine. In addition, all the subjects tested used or abused drugs other than street LSD. These drugs included, among others, Ritaline, phenothiazines, alcohol, amphetamines, cocaine, barbiturates, heroin and other opiates, and various psychedelic substances such as marihuana, hashish, psilocybin, mescaline, STP, methylenedioxyamphetamine (MDA), and dimethyltryptamine (DMT). Under the circumstances, one questions the logic of referring to this group in scientific papers as "LSD users." Most of these subjects were actually multiple-drug users or abusers exposed to a variety of chemicals of unknown composition, quality and potency. In addition, it has been repeatedly reported that this population suffered from malnutrition and had very high rates of venereal disease, hepatitis and various other viral infections. It was mentioned above that viruses are one of the most common factors causing chromosomal damage; the possible role of malnutrition remains to be evaluated. Dishotsky et al. (28) conclude their review of the in vivo studies involving illicit LSD by relating the findings of increased chromosome breakage to a combination of factors such as long-term excessive exposure to illicit chemical agents, the presence of toxic contaminants, the intravenous route of administration, and the physical debility of many drug abusers. According to them, positive results, when found, are related to the more general effects of drug abuse and not, as initially reported, specifically to the use of LSD. PURE LSD AND CHROMOSOMAL DAMAGE Chromosomal studies of persons who received pharmaceutically pure LSD in an experimental or therapeutic framework are much more relevant and reliable as a source of information than the studies of illicit drug users. In these studies, there is no uncertainty concerning purity, dosage, frequency of exposure and the interval between the latest exposure and blood sampling. Two different approaches can be distinguished in the chromosome studies using pure LSD. The studies of the first type are retrospective and use a "post hoc" design; they examine the chromosomal changes in subjects who were exposed to pure LSD in the past. The studies of the second type are prospective; the chromosomal patterns are examined both before and after the exposure to LSD, and each subject serves as his own control. Retrospective Studies of Chromosomal Changes in Pure LSD Users. A review of the studies in this category reveals that only two groups of investigators have reported an increased rate of chromosome breakage in their subjects. Five other teams failed to confirm these positive findings. Cohen, Marinello and Back (22) reported in their initial study that they found chromosomal damage in the white blood cells of one paranoid schizophrenic patient who had been treated fifteen times in the past with LSD in dosages between 80 and 200 micrograms. Nielsen, Friedrich and Tsuboi (80) examined the chromosomes of five persons treated with LSD and found "no correlation between any specific drug and the frequency of gaps, breaks, and hyperdiploid cells." The authors later regrouped their data, forming smaller groups on the basis of age and sex. (81) After this revision of the original material, they concluded that LSD induced chromosomal damage. Tjio, Pahnke and Kurland (106) criticized this study on the basis of the insufficient number of cells analyzed for a reliable determination of breakage rates. Three of the five LSD subjects studied had no chromosomal aberrations, and the two remaining subjects accounted for all six breaks found. In addition, the 1.7 percent breakage rate is still within the values reported for the general population. Another study by Nielsen, Friedrich and Tsuboi (82) which reported an increased breakage rate of 4.3 percent in a group of nine former LSD users has been criticized by Dishotsky et al. (28) on the basis of its unusual approach to data analysis. Sparkes, Melnyk and Bozzetti (99) did not find an increase in chromosomal breakage in four patients treated with LSD in the past for medical reasons Negative results were also reported by Bender and Siva Sankar, (11) who examined the chromosomes of seven schizophrenic children who had been treated in the past by prolonged administration of LSD. These children received LSD daily in two divided dosages of 100 to 150 micrograms for a period of weeks or months. The frequency of chromosome breakage in this group was less than 2 percent and did not differ from that of the control group. Siva Sankar, Rozsa and Geisler (93) studied the chromosome patterns in fifteen children with psychiatric problems who had been given LSD, UML or a combination of both. LSD was administered daily; the average dose for the whole group was 142.4 micrograms per day per patient, and the duration of therapy varied from 2 to 1,366 days. The breakage rate for the group treated with LSD was 0.8 percent, for the group treated with both LSD and UML 1.00 percent. This was not significantly higher than the rate of breakage in the controls. The patients in this study received LSD two to four years prior to the chromosome studies. The authors admitted that the effects of LSD on the leucocyte chromosomes might have been rectified over such a long period of time. In any case, this would indicate that LSD therapy has no long-lasting effects on the chromosomes. Tjio, Pahnke and Kurland (106) published the results of chromosome analysis of a group of eight "normal" subjects who had received pure LSD in research experiments one to twenty-six times, two to fifteen months prior to giving the blood sample. The mean total chromosomal aberration rate for this group was 2.8 percent, and the individual rate in none of them exceeded the pre-LSD mean of 4.3 percent found in the patient sample. Corey et al. (24) reported the result of a retrospective chromosomal study of sixteen patients, five of whom had been treated with LSD only, five with mescaline only, and six with LSD plus mescaline. In the eleven individuals who were clinically treated with LSD dosages ranging from 200 micrograms to 4,350 micrograms, frequency of chromosome breaks did not differ from that found in the thirteen controls. The respective frequencies were 7.8 percent for LSD, 5.6 percent for mescaline, 6.4 percent for LSD plus mescaline, and 7.0 percent for the control group. In an unpublished study, Dishotsky et al. examined the chromosomes of five subjects exposed in the past to pure LSD. The mean breakage rate in this group (0.40 percent) was not significantly different from that of the eight control persons (0.63 percent). In their review paper, Dishotsky et al. (28) indicate that fifty-eight of seventy (82.9 percent) of the subjects studied after treatment with pure LSD did not have chromosome damage. Because of incomplete data on nine of the remaining twelve subjects, they were not able to compute the precise percentage of subjects with elevated breakage rates. However, they estimated that this figure would range between 17.1 percent and 4.9 percent. All but one of the twelve subjects were reported by a single team of investigators. The authors concluded that in view of the procedures, incomplete data, questionable re-analysis of the data, and low breakage rates reported, there is no definite evidence from this type of experiment that pure LSD causes chromosome damage. Prospective Studies of Chromosomal Changes in Pure LSD Users. The studies comparing the chromosomal changes before and after exposure to pure LSD represent the most adequate scientific approach to the problem from the methodological point of view, and are the most reliable source of scientific information. The first report in this category was published in 1968 by Hungerford et al. (55) who examined the chromosomes of three psychiatric patients before and after repeated therapeutic administrations of LSD. Blood samples were taken from all patients before any LSD therapy, one hour before and one and fourteen hours after each dose; follow-up samples were taken at intervals of one to six months. An increase in chromosome aberrations was observed after each of three intravenous injections of LSD. The increase was small in two of the three subjects; however, dicentric and multiradial figures appeared only after treatment, and acentric fragments appeared more frequently after treatment. In the follow-up study, a return to earlier levels was observed in all three patients. The data from this study indicated that pure LSD may produce transitory increases of chromosome abnormalities, but that these are no longer evident one month after administration of the final dose. The results were slightly complicated by the administration of chlorpromazine (Thorazine), which in itself can produce chromosomal aberrations. It is interesting to note that Hungerford's study is the only one in which LSD was administered intravenously. Tjio, Pahnke and Kurland (106) reported the results of a study of thirty-two hospitalized alcoholic or neurotic patients treated with LSD in the framework of a double-blind controlled study at the Maryland Psychiatric Research Center. The dosage of LSD was 50 micrograms in eleven patients and 250-450 micrograms in twenty-one patients. The number of cells observed in this study (22,500) was more than twice the total number of cells observed in all other studies of pure LSD users. The amount of breakage was not directly proportional to the dosage; actually those in the low-dose range showed greater increases than those on high dosage. The authors also examined a group of five persons who had taken illicit LSD from four to thirty-six times before the study. In these subjects, blood samples were drawn for seven to ten consecutive days before, during and after treatment with pure LSD either two or three times. Statistical analysis revealed no significant difference in the chromosomal aberration before and after LSD. In another prospective study, Corey et al. (24) examined the chromosomes of ten persons before and after the administration of 200-600 micrograms of pure LSD. The authors found no significant difference in the rate of chromosome breakage between the pre- and post-samples and confirmed the negative findings of the previous study. It is interesting to mention in this connection two prospective studies of LSD-related chromosomal damage which were conducted in Rhesus monkeys (Macaca mulatta); the results of both studies were rather inconclusive. Egozcue and Irwin (32) administered high dosages of LSD (40 micrograms per kg.) four times at ten day intervals. Two of their animals showed increased chromosomal breaks, whereas the other two stayed within normal values. Kato et al. (66) described transitory changes in chromosomes after multiple, subcutaneous injections of LSD in high doses (125-1000 micrograms per kg. per injection) in Rhesus monkeys. The authors have not provided a statistical evaluation of the results; Dishotsky et al., (28) who later analyzed their data, found them statistically nonsignificant. Dishotsky et al. (28) also offered a synoptic evaluation of the prospective LSD studies. According to them, only six of the fifty-six patients (10.7 percent) studied before and after treatment with pure LSD had elevated breakage rates; of these, three received LSD intravenously and one had a viral infection. Of these six subjects, one individual was not available for follow-up determinations; in the remaining five, breakage returned to that observed before treatment. From the total number of subjects studied before and after treatment, 89.3 percent did not have chromosome damage. The results of the prospective LSD studies are thus in agreement with the negative conclusion of five of the seven teams that studied subjects only after LSD treatment. CHROMOSONAL CHANGES IN GERMINAL CELLS In the past, the positive findings of some chromosomal studies have been used as a basis for far-reaching speculations concerning the hereditary dangers associated with LSD. Journalists, and also several scientific workers, described their rather apocalyptic visions of the offspring of LSD users. Such speculations were rather premature, and insufficiently substantiated by experimental data. The reasoning that refers to structural abnormalities of the chromosomes as "damage" and relates them automatically to genetic hazards has serious gaps in its logic. In reality, it is not quite clear whether or not the structural changes in the chromosomes of the white blood cells have any functional significance, and whether they are associated with genetic abnormalities. There exist many chemical substances that cause chromosomal breaks but have no adverse effects on genetic mutation or fetal development. The complexity of this problem can be illustrated by the case of viruses. A variety of virus diseases (such as herpes simplex and shingles, measles, chicken pox, influenza, yellow fever, and possibly mumps) induce marked chromosomal damage without causing fetal malformations. According to Nichols, (79) one of the exceptions is rubella (German measles), a disease that is notorious for causing severe fetal malformations when acquired by the mother in the first trimester of pregnancy. In addition to the methodological problems involved and the inconsistency of the findings discussed above, one more important fact has to be taken into consideration. In all the studies quoted, the effect of illicit or pure LSD, in vitro or in vivo, was assessed in the chromosomes of the white blood cells. No direct conclusions about the hereditary dangers associated with the administration of LSD can be drawn on the basis of these studies since the lymphocytes are not involved in the reproductive processes. Speculations about such dangers could be made only on the basis of chromosomal findings in germ cells such as the spermatozoids and ova, or their precursor cells. Unfortunately, the few existing studies of the chromosomes of germinal cells (the so-called meiotic chromosomes) yielded as inconclusive results as the studies of the chromosomes of somatic cells. Skakkebaek, Phillip and Rafaelsen (95) studied meiotic chromosomes from six healthy male mice injected with large dosages of LSD (1,000 micrograms per kg); the number of injections and intervals between exposures varied. Several chromosomal breaks, gaps and unidentifiable fragments were found in the treated animals but, with a few exceptions, not in the control animals. The authors consider their finding tentative evidence that high doses of LSD may influence meiotic chromosomes in mice. They admitted that the number of abnormalities was small and technical errors could not be excluded, but concluded that the changes found could have influence on fertility, size of the litter, and the number of congenital malformations. In a later study, Skakkebaek and Beatty (94) injected four mice subcutaneously with dosages of 1,000 micrograms per kg of LSD twice a week for five weeks. Analysis carried out on a blind basis showed a high frequency of abnormalities in two of the treated mice. In addition, the spermatozoa of LSD-treated mice also showed morphological differences, with a more rounded convex side of the head and broader heads in general. The practical significance of these findings is considerably reduced by the fact that the dosages used far exceed anything used in clinical practice. A comparable dose in humans would come to 60,000-100,000 micrograms per person, which is 100 to 1,000 times more than the dosages commonly used in experimental and clinical work with LSD. Another positive finding of meiotic chromosome damage induced by LSD was reported by Cohen and Mukherjee. (23) These authors injected thirteen male mice with a single dose of LSD at a concentration of 25 micrograms per kg. In this study the meiotic cells were apparently less vulnerable than somatic cells. However, there was an obvious tenfold increase in chromosome damage among the mice treated with LSD. This reached a maximum between two and seven days after injection, with a subsequent decrease and return to almost normal levels after three weeks. On the basis of evidence from clinical human cytogenetic studies, the authors concluded that chromosome anomalies of this type may lead to reduced fertility, congenital abnormalities and fetal wastage. The other existing studies of the effect of LSD on meiotic cells brought essentially negative results. Egozcue and Irwin (32) studied the effects of LSD administration in mice and Rhesus monkeys. The mice in this study received 5 micrograms per kg of LSD daily in a number of injections increasing from one to ten. Four adult male Rhesus macaques ingested doses of either 5, 10, 20 or 40 micrograms per kg of LSD. Six months after their single dose of LSD, three of the monkeys received four doses each, at ten-day intervals, of 40 micrograms per kg of LSD per dose. The authors reported essentially negative results in both the mice and the monkeys. In mice, occasional chromosomal breaks and fragments were observed in similar proportions in the control and the experimental groups. In the Rhesus monkeys, no significant differences were found before or after acute or chronic treatment. Jagiello and Polani (60) published the results of a detailed and sophisticated study of the effect of LSD on mouse germ cells. They performed acute and chronic experiments on both male and female mice. The dosage of LSD in the chronic experiments ranged between 0.5-5.0 micrograms; in the acute experiments a single subcutaneous dose of 1,000 micrograms per kg of LSD was administered. The results of this study were essentially negative. The authors attributed the discrepancies with other studies to mode of administration, dosage and the animal strain involved. In two of the existing studies, the effects of LSD on the meiotic chromosomes were tested in the banana fly, Drosophila melanogaster, an organism that has played an important role in the history of genetics. In one of these studies, Grace, Carlson and Goodman (44) injected male flies in concentrations of 1, 100 and 500 micrograms per cc. The dosage used is equivalent to approximately one liter of the same solution in humans (1,000, 100,000 and 500,000 micrograms respectively). No chromosomal breaks were observed in premeiotic, meiotic or postmeiotic sperm. The authors concluded that LSD is in a class quite distinct from that of ionizing radiation and mustard gas. If it is a mutagenic or radiomimetic agent in human chromosomes, it is not a very powerful one. In another study, Markowitz, Brosseau and Markowitz (74) fed LSD to male fruit flies in a 1 percent sucrose solution for twenty-four hours; the concentrations used were 100, 5,000, and 10,000 micrograms per cc. In these experiments, LSD had no detectable effect on chromosome breakage. The authors concluded that LSD is a relatively ineffective chromosome breaking agent in Drosophila. Considerable caution is required in extrapolating the data about the effect of LSD on meiotic chromosomes obtained from animal experiments to humans, because of rather wide interspecies variability. The only report about the effect of LSD on human germ cells was published by Hulten et al. (54) These authors examined the testicular biopsy in a patient who had used massive doses of illicit LSD in the past, up to an alleged 1,000 micrograms. For a period of four weeks he practiced the administration of these dosages daily. There was no evidence of an increased frequency of structural chromosome aberrations in the germinal tissue of the testicles. Concluding this discussion of the effects of LSD on chromosomal structure, we can say that the results of the existing studies are inconclusive despite the fact that the dosages used in many experiments far exceed the doses used in clinical practice. Whether LSD causes structural changes in the chromosomes or not remains an open question. If it does, the circumstances and dosage range in which these occur have not been established, and the interpretation of these changes and their functional significance is even more problematic. This question could not be answered even on the basis of results of methodologically perfect chromosomal studies. In future research, much more emphasis should be put on the study of the effect of LSD on genetic mutation and embryonal development. http://www.psychedelic-library.org/grofchro.htm Edited by TheHateCamel (01/03/06 07:02 PM)
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Mcdoopy Fungus Face  Registered: 10/24/05 Posts: 3,296 Loc: Varrok Center Last seen: 7 years, 10 months |
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CorteX_  Registered: 07/26/05 Posts: 138 Loc: The Hague, The Netherlands Last seen: 4 months, 2 days |
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lol.. wasn't there some myth that LSD influenced your spinal chord?
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lysergicide Aurora Borealis  Registered: 12/16/05 Posts: 1,863 Loc: 41.8861° N, 12.4851° E Last seen: 2 months, 25 days |
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Nice info, HateCamel. It is unfortunate, however, that nobody has quoted or replied to your post. I mean, like. What the hell?
LSD effecting your chromosones isn't as big as a lie as it is a truth.* It's still in the dark, theres not much information about it. I have no idea how that rumor came about... Same goes with the flashbacks myth. However, LSD does not remain in your spinal cord forever, nor is it in Foster's beer. * Has it actually be proven yet? I don't think it has... right?
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MystikMushroom I RULE YOU! Registered: 10/11/04 Posts: 400 |
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Hallucinogenic tryptamines and phenethamines have been reported to actually bind inside the helical structure of the DNA.
Terence and Dennis McKenna wrote a whole book on the subject... "Invisible Landscapes". Who knows...the rapid development of human brain structure might be related to the presence of psychedelic mutagens in our ancestor's diet...
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CorteX_ Registered: 07/26/05 Posts: 138 Loc: The Hague, The Netherlands Last seen: 4 months, 2 days |
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Quote: yeah lol.. I remember seeing the foster beer tutorial, it was full of bs.. would be far too easy to make
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Fry Interior Crocodile Alligator   Registered: 03/24/10 Posts: 320 Loc: Washington State Last seen: 11 years, 11 months |
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My drug councillor said the same thing. I called him on his bullshit and went on the American Medical Association's website and showed him a peer reviewed paper that disproved this myth. He refuses to believe it, and ended the conversation there, saying that the effects of LSD were to complex for me to understand.
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mesjnaloar Stranger Registered: 07/12/14 Posts: 10 Last seen: 9 years, 1 month |
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This is BS .. there is a tons of articles on web to proof this wrong
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Into The Woods Quarantine King  Registered: 04/20/13 Posts: 10,864 |
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8 year old thread, champ
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1314697 Ight guy  Registered: 01/05/14 Posts: 1,000 Loc: NM Last seen: 2 months, 5 days |
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LSD makes you trip for the rest of your life and has a slightly bitter/metallic taste
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KingKnowledge Around  Registered: 03/30/13 Posts: 2,876 Loc: East Coast Last seen: 4 years, 8 months |
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Quote: That's real interesting though….about to do some research on it now. PS - Crick was on LSD when he discovered the double helix. 
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wyvern .  Registered: 08/27/14 Posts: 61 Last seen: 4 years, 9 months |
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The genetic abnormalities were caused by Thalidomide. It was sold as a sedative and nausea in pregnant women for morning sickness. it was never tested on pregnant women prior to marketing. It caused major damage to the fetal DNA. LSD as you know stands for Lysergic Acid Diethylamide. Many people confused the two based on the similarity of the words :Thalidomide and diethylamide due to ignorance on the general public which helped cause LSD to be considered a dangerous drug with no redeeming value making it easier to ban.
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acidfeak1469 Stranger Registered: 03/17/15 Posts: 2 Last seen: 9 years, 1 month |
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 Govorment propaganda at its best how pathetic
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dredd711 Mycology Apprentice  Registered: 04/27/15 Posts: 13 Loc: uk Last seen: 8 years, 7 months |
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sounds about write didnt read the whole thing tho, my dad took lsd and me and me brother are a bit fucked up mental illness so to speak
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Rebelutionsssss Mdmazing   Registered: 07/23/14 Posts: 13,137 Loc: San Francisco Last seen: 2 years, 5 months |
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I would be surprised if it did. By that math half the 60's kids should be brain dead....welllll
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daytripper05 Psychonaut   Registered: 10/30/06 Posts: 6,962 Loc: In my garden |
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I had a friend of mine tell me they would like to try LSD but they had a friend that did it years ago. Then allegedly broke a bone in their arm and started tripping again claiming the LSD was still inside them.
 Best part about it, this dude is pre-med to become a dr. I was just like "dude, what don't you put your knowledge from school to the test here and look up the pharmacology of LSD from those that have actually studied it in a clinical or pre-clinical setting such as Dr. David Nichols from Purdue" (He has friends that go to Purdue.)
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Buck513 Registered: 04/17/14 Posts: 5,682 |
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I mean you can start tripping again out of nowhere years after your last LSD dose, but as far as it being in your bones sounds like complete bullshit lol.
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daytripper05 Psychonaut Registered: 10/30/06 Posts: 6,962 Loc: In my garden |
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I fractured my skull in 2006. I had some really trippy ass nights in the hospital. To the point I couldn't tell if I was awake or dreaming. Humans experience alternative states of consciousness all the time. But I think once you experience these states in a self-induced manner by ingesting various plants and chemicals you become much more aware of these states. At no time during my experience did I perceive anything to be a flashback or a something a result of some sort of residual brain damage from psychedelics. I even fractured my skull after I was tripping on mushrooms (long story). But I knew the mushrooms had long worn off during the worst times in the hospital.
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