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Madtowntripper
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The Weather is Officially FUCKED
#5131375 - 01/02/06 02:07 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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So I live in Wisconsin. If your not familiar with your US Geography, Wisconsin is pretty much like Canada. Its cold as fuck for 8 months out of the year. January is usually our coldest month. It should be like, -20 outside with a few feet of snow on the ground.
But I walk out of my house today to go to the financial aid office, and its 40 degrees and raining. Its been warm for weeks. And 40 all into next week too. We had like, 6 inches of snow, but its all been gone since before Christmas.
WTF is going on. I want snow!
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Madtowntripper]
#5131394 - 01/02/06 02:11 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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yeah man, its raining here too. I'd be happy if the whole winter were like this, its snowed a bit, but been really mild.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Gillette]
#5131398 - 01/02/06 02:12 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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45 and raining in chi-town
hell i like it, although lsat year i would have been screaming at the sky, i was driving a snow plow.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Madtowntripper]
#5131400 - 01/02/06 02:12 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Same here. This winter has been bullshit. It's been raining on and off for almost the past week.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Madtowntripper]
#5131403 - 01/02/06 02:12 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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It's flooding here in Sacramento. Roads are blocked off. The levees are up near the top. I think it's the wettest winter we've had in like 50 years.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Madtowntripper]
#5131407 - 01/02/06 02:15 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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No shit! It is 70 degrees, here! I have the freaking a/c on, for god's sake!
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Madtowntripper]
#5131409 - 01/02/06 02:15 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Politicians and prostitutes
are comfortable together
I wonder if they talk about the strange change in the weather.
This government was founded by, of, and for the people
but everybody feels it
like a giant open sore
they don't represent us anymore
And blaming the President for the country's woes
is like yelling at a puppet
for the way it sings
Who's the man behind the curtain pulling the strings?
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: blissedout]
#5131411 - 01/02/06 02:17 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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yep hot as hell here. maybe its the end of the world. ahhhhhhhhhh, jk. its probably got some scientific reason, who knows
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: lemon_lw]
#5131430 - 01/02/06 02:21 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Quote:
lemon_lw said: its probably got some scientific reason, who knows
Global warming. There, I said it.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: lemon_lw]
#5131432 - 01/02/06 02:21 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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I am scared for my little guy! What kind of shit will he see and experience in his lifetime? Scary shit! Oh, and yeah, this weather is really bizarre!
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: blissedout]
#5131437 - 01/02/06 02:23 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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well congrats bliss i read some of your other post. and para i think you got the nail right on the head. i guess its time to move more inland, huh.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Madtowntripper]
#5131746 - 01/02/06 03:51 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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The weather is only gonna get wacker as time progresses.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: SilentSeed]
#5131752 - 01/02/06 03:52 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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It seems like Vancouver Island is slowly sinking. I havent seen the tide level this high in a long while.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Madtowntripper]
#5131788 - 01/02/06 04:01 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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It's the Illuminati's bizarro weather machine that's doin it. I swear, I saw it with my own eyes.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: SilentSeed]
#5131791 - 01/02/06 04:01 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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what it is is just the natural cycle in weather, a few thousand years of livable weather and then a few hundred years at each extreme. so pretty much its going to get unbearably hot and everyone is going to move towards the poles, and then in a matter of a few years the weather will make a 180 and most of the world will be covered in a thick layer of ice, when which the equator will be the only livable area. it happened before and its about to happen again, and this time wont be the last time either. its nothing to be freaked out about, its the earths natural way cleansing itself.
edit: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ice/chill.html ok, so i might have been off on the few thousand/few hundred year thing. more like 300,000 yrs. vs 100,000 yrs. but whose counting?
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Idiot]
#5131805 - 01/02/06 04:04 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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I don't think the earth just "pulls a 180" and shit changes in a matter of years. I'm no weather history expert, but I'm sure those kinds of changes take decades, if not centuries, to be fully realized.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Yrtlzmo]
#5131834 - 01/02/06 04:08 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Yrtlzmo said: No, he said scientific reason.
Does no one remember earlier in the winter when it was cold as fuck across the US? Freezing in Texas and other southern states, snow in Seattle and Portland?!
You do realize that global warming doesn't just mean everything gets hotter, right? I do agree, however, that it's not just global warming. There are cycles of weather stability and instability, and the longest period of stability started to end in the 1950's. As such, weather has been getting more and more chaotic since then.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Silversoul]
#5131869 - 01/02/06 04:15 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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yeah, im not a weather expert either. im just saying what im trying to convince myself, you know...
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Silversoul]
#5131870 - 01/02/06 04:15 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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The weather always gets really fucked up in the years leading up to pole shifts guys. Every time, without fail.
It has to do with our Sun increasing it's output and releasing more light (dna cellular information) and multi-dimensional energy, as we enter into the Photon Band. There's a magnetic pole shift first. It fucks all kinds of stuff up. For the better, of course.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5131889 - 01/02/06 04:19 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Well if we're all gonna die I hope it's slow and painless while I'm posting on the Shroomery.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: DNKYD]
#5131901 - 01/02/06 04:23 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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I don't think we're all gonna die. Hopefully not from a pole shift. But meh.. who really cares anyway. We're all gonna die anyway.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5131914 - 01/02/06 04:26 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Shroomism said: It has to do with our Sun increasing it's output and releasing more light (dna cellular information)

Could you elaborate on that?
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5131917 - 01/02/06 04:26 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Correct me if I'm wrong but light can't have DNA because that would require mass, and if an object has mass then the theory of relativity says it can't go faster than the speed of light.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5131920 - 01/02/06 04:27 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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people will probubly die, not everyone. there will definently not be 6 billion people, its going to be just like all the other "ice ages"
Quote:
Shroomism said: We're all gonna die anyway.
exactly
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Noviseer]
#5131937 - 01/02/06 04:33 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Yeah, it's gonna get brighter. It already has. Solar flares and radiation will increase in intensity and the intervals between them will become shorter. By the time the sun is at it's full intensity in the photon band, the light will be of such a high frequency that your energy system and chakras will need to be 'fully tuned and lubricated and functioning' for your physical body to withstand this great multi-dimensional light. For as we all learned in elementary school, light is information, cellular information for evolution, and the stars in space are all linked together as a giant network, passing light (information) energy between them. As for this event, the photon band is simply an area in our galaxy where the high-frequency photon light from many stars meets and collects, an area of the galaxy that our solar system will be passing through for the next 2,000 years. So as a result the Sun is communicating with the other suns.. sharing light.. and you know how that goes..
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#5131942 - 01/02/06 04:34 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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HELLA_TIGHT said: Correct me if I'm wrong but light can't have DNA because that would require mass, and if an object has mass then the theory of relativity says it can't go faster than the speed of light.
I didn't say light has dna. I said light is information FOR dna. You know.. cellular information. Light is information.
Like as in.. light comes down into the dna of the plant and gives it energy and tells it how to evolve as a plant, that sort of thing.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5131944 - 01/02/06 04:34 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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So our sun is gonna be the baby-daddy of a few more stars?
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: DNKYD]
#5131951 - 01/02/06 04:35 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Eventually.. this too shall pass
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5131975 - 01/02/06 04:40 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Hmm sounds pretty bunk.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#5131984 - 01/02/06 04:41 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Well if it is... it's something you can totally call me on and prove me wrong for when the sun doesn't go into any photon band and no solar emanations increase and no poles shift and no aliens.
oh wait.. I didn't mention any aliens
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5131987 - 01/02/06 04:43 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#5131997 - 01/02/06 04:44 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Well I'm referring to a sudden, dramatic shifting, or reversal of the poles, that occurs in a very short time (several days). A magnetic pole shift of 90 degrees or more, that occurs in several hours to several days.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5132004 - 01/02/06 04:46 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Shroomism said: Well I'm referring to a sudden, dramatic shifting, or reversal of the poles, that occurs in a very short time (several days). A magnetic pole shift of 90 degrees or more, that occurs in several hours to several days.
I'm pretty sure the pole shift is more gradual than that. We've been in the process of a pole shift for a number of years now, and it's not even a quarter of the way through.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5132008 - 01/02/06 04:47 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Light tells it how to evolve?
Evolution isn't some magical change in the right direction, it's many random changes, and the ones that are helpful, live on BECAUSE they're helpful. Some people have proposed that it's likely that a pole shift could happen relatively soon, but the mechanism for the pole shifts is not well understood, and there isn't any strong evidence that it will happen in the near future.
Many people believe it will happen based on RELIGIOUS reasons, as opposed to SCIENTIFIC reasons. Religious speculation is notoriously inaccurate.
It should be noted that odd weather has happened all the time. A few hundred years ago, warm spells would happen now and then in the winter.
It would be even weirder if the weather worked like clockwork, and there were never any anomalies.
I'm not saying that global warming isn't happening, just that every single little bout of unseasonable weather isn't evidence for it.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5132012 - 01/02/06 04:48 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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And how is light going to do this?
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5132015 - 01/02/06 04:49 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Shroomism said: Well I'm referring to a sudden, dramatic shifting, or reversal of the poles, that occurs in a very short time (several days). A magnetic pole shift of 90 degrees or more, that occurs in several hours to several days.
But does this actually happen? And if you claim it does, what is your evidence? Is it evidence that can be verified, or it more of spiritually based kind of speculation.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Madtowntripper]
#5132017 - 01/02/06 04:49 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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How bout it. I'm in Florida and last week I was wearing a winter jacket and gloves out at night and today, I had to put the AC on. 
I was in Chicago a few weeks ago tolerating that zero degree deep freeze and now you have 45 degrees and rain. 
I think the planets gone Bi-polar
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5132019 - 01/02/06 04:50 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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could it be too that we are at our closest point to the sun and traveling the fastest in our elipse at like 68,000 mph.....and this is over the next week as well
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Phluck]
#5132039 - 01/02/06 04:53 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_polarity_reversal
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At present, the overall geomagnetic field is becoming weaker at a rate which would, if it continues, cause the field to disappear, albeit temporarily, by about 4000 AD. (See: 1). Other sources have put the date of field collapse as early as 3000 AD. The strong deterioration began at least 150 years ago and has accelerated in the past several years; however, it should be noted that the geomagnetic intensity has declined almost continuously from a maximum achieved approximately 2000 years ago. So far the strength of the earth's field has decreased by 10 to 15 percent over the last 150 years, and approximately 35% over the last 2000 years. The present decrease and strength are in the normal range of variation, as shown by study of magnetic fields in rocks.
One should note that no one knows if field decay will continue in the future. Also, since a magnetic field reversal has never been observed by humans and the mechanism of field generation is not well understood, it is difficult to say what the characteristics of the magnetic field might be leading up to such a reversal. Some speculate that a greatly diminished magnetic field during a reversal period will expose the surface of the earth to a substantial and potentially damaging increase in solar radiation. However homo erectus and their ancestors certainly survived many previous reversals. There is no uncontested evidence that a magnetic field reversal has ever caused any biological extinctions, although there is a very strong correlation between the occurrence of polar reversals and speciation spikes found in the fossil record. An explanation is given by a theory (backed by simulations) that the solar wind can induce a magnetic field in the previously completely unmagnetized Earth's ionosphere very quickly [1].
It doesn't really look like the actual evidence supports the pole shift idea you're talking about Shroomism. I don't think it's a good idea to espouse religious convictions as though they were scientific information.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Phluck]
#5132064 - 01/02/06 04:59 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Evolution follows a pattern set by the universe, it is far from random.
As for odd weather happening all the time. I wasn't alive in the 1800s so I couldn't tell you. But what I will tell you, is that we are far, far from 'warm spells every now and then in the winter time' . I'm really not going to do any searching but: severe droughts in one part of the world, floods in others where it usually is dry, 4 massive hurricanes in a row, follow by 4 more, followed by more.. tsunamis, earthquakes, famine.. just tell me natural disasters have not been increasing steadily for the past 10 years, tell me I am absolutely fucking insane and I have been imagining all of it. I shouldn't be able to walk outside in January wearing short sleeves. On the same token, it shouldn't hail and have freezing rain that very same hot day in january, and then be hot the next day and snow the day after that. It should definitely not get cold in July. The weather is definitely not normal right now. Normal is when it snows three feet in december. Normal is when the weather doesn't keep freaking out more and more every year in different ways. First it was global warming, then el nino, then la nina, then blah blah blah.. it's all the same shit, everything is connected. Global warming is a cop out. Global warming is nothing compared to what we are dealing with. We are dealing with Earth changes, as we fuck it from behind. The weather is all KINDS of fucked up, and everyone is downplaying it. That's what they want you to do. Business as usual.
The Earth is changing whether we are in league with it or not. I'm not crazy. Well, I am crazy... but that doesn't mean that I don't know about the weather, and that it is all fucked up.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5132073 - 01/02/06 05:02 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Evolution is brought on by an extreme external change. I'd say that's gotta be kind of random.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5132082 - 01/02/06 05:05 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Not everyone is downplaying it, there are people out there saying the climate is changing.
They're experts, I'm pretty sure they know what they're talking about.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#5132084 - 01/02/06 05:05 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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To the human mind something which appears random can be not random at all.
Eye of the beholder.
What I perceive as random may in fact be a very planned event.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#5132089 - 01/02/06 05:06 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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HELLA_TIGHT said: They're experts, I'm pretty sure they know what they're talking about.

I'm an expert.. didn't you know?
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5132093 - 01/02/06 05:07 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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HELLA_TIGHT said: They're experts, I'm pretty sure they know what they're talking about.

I'm an expert.. didn't you know?
You're an expert on psychic communication with aliens. When we want to know what's up with the Pledians, we'll let ya know.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Silversoul]
#5132098 - 01/02/06 05:08 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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No one is asking about goatse here, buddy.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#5132102 - 01/02/06 05:09 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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so what does that have to do with anything? I stopped reading here: He has served as a consultant to Federal Agencies and/or White House staff in the Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush, and Clinton administrations
'actually, I didn't.. I read the whole thing. But that got a reaction. Now what does this guy have to do with anything? He's part of the program that is suppressing the truth from the masses.. the masses being all you people.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5132117 - 01/02/06 05:12 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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He's one of the people trying to inform the public on global warming, he's been researching it for years.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5132122 - 01/02/06 05:13 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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???
How is he doing that? Because he did work for the government?
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#5132124 - 01/02/06 05:13 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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What is informing the public about global warming going to do? Nothing. People already know about global warming. "Oh that scare from the 70s about the hole in the ozone layer.. yeah we don't have to worry about that"
If you want to do *anything* about global warming, stop pumping oil out of the earth and refining it and selling it to people to burn into the atmosphere, that would be a start. But global warming isn't even the real problem. The reason all this crazy shit is happening is because of the Earth shifting poles. Global warming is the cover story, so you don't find out what's really going on.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5132127 - 01/02/06 05:15 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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I don't think he has control over that.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#5132141 - 01/02/06 05:19 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Yeah probably not.. but he could inform people of the truth.. as he is in a position of power to do such a thing. Sadly, telling the truth would make them lose their power.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5132143 - 01/02/06 05:20 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Evolution follows a pattern set by the universe, it is far from random.
The crab nebula is, in fact, a giant hamburger. DNA is composed of tiny groups of teenagers playing video games assembled in odd patterns. My keyboard is made out of an edible bean paste.
Saying something, no matter how firmly you believe it, is not going to convince me. I need to have a reason to take it seriously, and I have no reason to take the idea that evolution is something that's been carefully planned out seriously. I've done a lot of reading about the study of evolution, how the theory originated, what biologists did to come up with the theory, and the information on which it is based. And frankly, it makes a hell of a lot of sense. It's not even that complicated, if you take the time and effort to really study it. The evidence definitely doesn't suggest a carefully planned out, linear progress towards life as it is today. What information do you have to suggest this, and how reliable is this information?
As for the climate stuff: First off, every single year in all of history there have been floods, droughts, hurricanes, storms of all kinds. We haden't even started regularly recording weather patterns until recently, so claiming that the weather is significantly different now than it was in the past is really just speculation.
Now, I'm not saying that climate change isn't happening, but it is VERY VERY EASY to distort information if you only measure it by thinking "well, it certainly seems like things have been getting weirder". People misjudge things like that ALL THE TIME.
This is why the scientific method was invented. As soon as someone comes up with a hypothesis, they will look for evidence to support it, and interpret everything through a lense that validates their beliefs. This is why people firmly believe weird things, they decided what they wanted to believe before they started studying it, and then their studies were really just searches for information that they could use to make it look like they're right. Science came about so that there would be a forum for people to have their studies criticized, so that if someone makes an argument for something, a bunch of other people will check and make sure that their experiments were done properly, and that they aren't misinterpreting the information.
It's all well and good to say that the weather has gotten completely fucked up, and as soon as you think that, every odd bit of weather that occurs you will add to your "evidence" for your theory.
You say it's not normal for it to be cold in july, but have you even checked? Have you looked at weather records for the first half of the century to make sure that this didn't happen now and then back in those days, or are you just assuming this based on your perception of how things are "supposed to be"?
You might be right, but the way to validate it isn't to just sit there and think about it. You have to pull out old weather records, look at what used to happen, and compare it to what happened now.
The human brain is GREAT at playing tricks on itself. Nobody can trust their assumptions, the only way to check something is to actually check it, not to just think you you know how things are supposed to be.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5132150 - 01/02/06 05:22 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Shroomism said: Yeah probably not.. but he could inform people of the truth.. as he is in a position of power to do such a thing. Sadly, telling the truth would make them lose their power.
He DOES inform people. He's started this research project, he's been on TV, and he's written several articles.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#5132183 - 01/02/06 05:30 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Yeah it's been 75 here in north Florida for a few days now. It's been very very foggy and was stormy last night and this morning. I wish it were cold.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5132186 - 01/02/06 05:31 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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I brought up the weather canada site to look through old records.
I decided to check in july of 1953 first, in London, Ontario, just at random.
The first two days... pretty warm... then the third day it got as low as 10 C (50 F), pretty chilly. The next day it went from 8 C all the way to 23 C. That's a pretty big shift, all in one day.
http://www.climate.weatheroffice.ec.gc.c...3&Month=7&Day=3
That's just the first few days I checked completely at random. You can look through the site yourself if you want. I'm sure you'll find some odd weather now and then.
What I'm saying is, you can't take a warm spell in the winter, or a cold spell in the summer to mean that something weird is going on. That happened all the time, even way back in the olden days. Just judging these things based on your own observations off the top of your head is extremely inaccurate, because your biases and beliefs WILL warp the data. You have the actually record the information and actually compare it to past information to be sure.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Phluck]
#5132220 - 01/02/06 05:38 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Srsly u guyz, I heard the mother land was testing some H bombs.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Madtowntripper]
#5132245 - 01/02/06 05:44 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Guess God is making nice after all those damned hurricanes. Fort Lauderdale Beach here.
Today was up near 80F, clear and sunny with a light breeze. I spent most of the day Shroomering on the beach with my laptop, a cooler full of beer and a friend.
Neener neener!
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Phluck]
#5132261 - 01/02/06 05:48 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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I want to make it clear I'm not downplaying climate change. It's a very serious issue.
What I'm saying is that if you want to be taken seriously, you have to be scientific about it. You can't present completely unscientific information, and then when it's criticized, complain that people are being brainwashed or something. Any decent scientist knows that even when they're onto something good, some of their ideas and information will prove to be wrong or to be red herrings.
If you are going to make a decent argument, you need to check and double check ALL your facts before claiming them to be truths.
For example, you said that this is the worst hurricane season ever. I've been trying to find a definitive source that says this, and I can't. I've found a few people making this claim, but I haven't found a decent, and easy to review list of recorded hurricane seasons.
It's certainly been the biggest media frenzy over hurricanes in recent years, but sometimes media coverage is controlled by many other factors than simply what is happening.
So this could very well be the worst hurricane season, but I don't know for sure until I've compared it against all the others.
There's nobody easier to fool than the person who thinks he's immune to trickery. If you aren't fully expecting to be wrong about everything at all times, then you're going to follow a lot of wrong paths for as far as they'll take you.
If you want to win, you can't just believe firmly that you're right. You have to have better information, that's been more conclusively validated and that can be tested and rechecked than those who oppose you. If you don't, no matter how positive you are that you're right, the people who really matter will be convinced by those who can make a better case than you can. And assuring people that "the weather is fucked" isn't evidence, that's a claim. Same with "it's not supposed to be cold in july". That's also a claim, evidence would be a collection of information that demonstrates that it's not supposed to be cold in july.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Phluck]
#5132311 - 01/02/06 06:03 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Yes I have checked. Since we suck as a species, our accurate weather histories only go back to about the 1930s. Everything before that is hearsay from personal accounts.. hmm imagine that. See but the thing is I don't need to pull up old weather charts, because I don't need to prove anything to myself.. I checked once or twice to satisfy my curiosity.. but my intuition tells me what I need to know. Are you saying I need to do a bunch of research and collecting and compiling information so that I can prove some scientist dude with degrees wrong? Because I'd probably get shot.
You make it like I am against science or something. That's far from reality. Science was one of the subjects I excelled in during school.. when I was paying attention, along with English and Math. I was fascinated by science, I love to learn.. however I hate to have my mind controlled so school and me didn't mix at all. It was sad because I was a straight A, AP honor student. AP physics and trig in the 8th grade, drop out in 10th. I don't hate science. I hate the system that controls it. The system that tells you this is this way even though we don't know for a fact and haven't experienced it for ourselves. Science, I have no problem with whatsoever. My ideal science is the type of science practiced with devout spiritual awareness of the essence of life and responsibility as a sovereign being, as the aliens who are laser surgeons and beamcraft builders
When you have science practiced without awareness of.. or even worse.. denial of soul, and the subsequent spiritual realm.. well you are not factoring in half of the equation in the first place. You are not considering the spiritual implications of your thoughts or actions. You are not considering the LAWS OF THE UNIVERSE/NATURE. This leads to science things like weapons of mass destruction, internal combustion engines, landmines, satellites, atomic weapons, microwaves.. etc.
Sure... science is great at first for helping you figure out how to swing what dense rock at what less dense rock at the right angle to make it break off to form a point..... but when you start having scientists who don't believe in god tell you about the morals of cloning and stem cell research, things get a little more complicated.
I mean don't get me wrong, I love computers just as much as the next guy.. and all this fancy health care everyone is talking about sounds great.. but I'll believe it when I experience it myself ... but what I am getting at is there is no doubt that science does great things, but it reaches a point in civilization where science and technology reaches a point where it outgrows the planets own spiritual maturity.. as in we have nuclear weapons when we don't even know who we are as a planet.. dangerous shit. We are not united as a species, and that is our fatal flaw, science's fatal flaw.
As a default, science says God doesn't exist. Why? I say God does exist. I say God and Science can exist side-by-side just fine. God's Science. You say God does not exist? Prove it. I see nothing but existence of God, of a central design. When I look at humans, I see god. When I look at a tree, I see god. When I look into the stars, I see god. Reflections everywhere. Why should I invest my time into a science that creates guns that destroy my fellow God, a part of myself. My science is the science of humans playing music in the trees, the science of stacking wood in the right pattern to burn smooth, the science of liberating myself from myself, the only proper science I know.
When I say evolution, I am talking about.. wisdom.. gained through experience.. and pragmatically applied. Like... I do something wrong, I learn from my mistake. Next time, I don't do it wrong. I have evolved. Evolution is something or someone adapting to better suit their environment. You don't want to not flow with nature. Now as above, so below.. so let's assume evolution occurs on every scale, from molecule to universe.. it would have to follow some sort of pattern. Random patterns? Organize chaos? Sure why the fuck not. God isn't some magical dude in the sky. God is the universe and everything in it and outside of it , including the N button on your keyboard made out of bean paste
So I don't follow the 'rules' of "conventional" science, it's just not my bag. Evolution is totally not random to me, I think that the universe and evolution and this includes human evolution follows a distinct pattern woven from a single 'print'.. and can take many different variations but will always generally follow the original pattern... if you don't agree, that's cool too.. but a room full of scientists and 500 well made charts and diagrams wouldn't convince me otherwise. Diversity is key.
All I know, is that if I were to communicate with you via my ego, it would say that evolution sure as hell seems random to me. But then why is it always a total coincidence and why is it always exactly what I need. Something doesn't add up. but I'm no quantum physicist.. or am I......
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5132322 - 01/02/06 06:08 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Shroomism said: Yes I have checked. Since we suck as a species, our accurate weather histories only go back to about the 1930s. Everything before that is hearsay from personal accounts..
Wrong. See, in the arctic, they have these things called ice caps, and each year there's another layer of ice. Each layer of ice contains information about the global climate from that year. So we can know more about the climate from about 2,000 years ago by looking at the ice than we can about the climate today by walking outside.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Silversoul]
#5132334 - 01/02/06 06:12 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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so what was the weather like today, 3,600 years ago?
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5132339 - 01/02/06 06:13 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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It's tough going against public opinion.. but someone's gotta do it.
I'm taking a break for now. Someone take over for me. NIGHT SHIFT!
I love you guys.. thanks for disagreeing with me
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said: so what was the weather like today, 3,600 years ago?
If I had the ice sheet data, I'd tell you. Sadly, I'm not a meteorologist, so I don't dabble in such things.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Phluck]
#5132529 - 01/02/06 06:57 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Night shift here 
Ok Phluck.. you make a good point. People want scientific evidence before they will believe something. The problem is.. I am a lazy stoner. And when I am not being a lazy stoner.. I am working all the time. The amount of data to process on this subject is MASSIVE. I simply don't have the time and energy to research it all and organize it and present it. Well not right now anyway.
I did, however.. find a few things:
http://home.att.net/~thehessians/disasterwatch.html Massive database of global disasters with many 'valid' links
http://www.research.noaa.gov/spotlite/archive/spot_sunclimate.html This link investigates the link between increase in solar output and climate change
http://www.mapreport.com/subtopics/d/w.html#2005 World Flood Timeline of the past couple years
http://www.unesco.org/science/earth/disaster/about_disaster.shtml About Natural Disasters and the human connetion..
http://www.nrel.gov/surviving_disaster/documents/coming_storm.html the government says you should prepare
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/mg18825315.300 Scientists say... "Climate is going crazy"
http://irevolution.info/forums/index.php?showforum=53 link to a million links
.. and that is what I could come up with in about 10 minutes.. there's about 590 billion links I didn't look at. The summary is that there are definitely 'Earth Changes' occuring very rapidly on many scales compared to previous years, and general consensus is that humans are aggravating it and just making it worse by consuming so many resources and butt-fucking the earth, and that humans are dying more and more not only to increased natural disasters, but the population keeps growing and more and more people are moving to disaster prone areas, which are being struck with harder and more frequent disasters, in stupidly built houses built in stupid places.
and that's my scientific research for the evening.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism, I know this is a very long post, but please, please read it. You're a very smart guy, but you've got some strong biases and misconceptions. You really could use your smarts to do some cool shit, but you believe that your intuition is more powerful than the intuition as well as the intelligence and hard work of many scientists? Does that not sound a little odd to you?
Is assuming that you're right about everything just because you feel right really that spiritual? Isn't there something spiritual about admitting that we're imperfect, and that accepting the criticism and reviews others give us can help us refine our knowledge? Because that's really what science is based on. Looking at the way the universe works for answers, finding ways to test things by creating actual examples of the situation.
If I want to find out how high a ball will bounce, will I get a more accurate answer by using intuition, or by bouncing the ball and measuring how high it bounces?
The second method is science.
Are you saying I need to do a bunch of research and collecting and compiling information so that I can prove some scientist dude with degrees wrong? Because I'd probably get shot.
No, you certainly wouldn't.
I don't know why people think that the scientific community is some dark society clouded in secrecy and mysterious evil. The only people making this claim are people who have no real connection to it. I know a lot of scientists in various fields, and I'll let you in on a secret:
Most of them are left leaning nerds, very normal people.
People don't get shot for presenting dissenting information. Scientists CONSTANTLY come up with information that goes against the grain. It happens ALL THE TIME. When the information is good, and there's a strong basis behind it, it usually causes a lot of debate and controversy. Some scientists refuse to take it seriously, but when the information is good, over the course of a few years, it starts to become widely accepted. Despite what people say in the pseudoscience and paranormal communities, this really is something that happens all the time. Scientists disagree about all kinds of shit.
If you don't believe me, I can dig up quite a few examples for you.
The scientific community isn't completely closed off, it just seems that way to people who refuse to take any criticism of their work seriously. No study is perfect, they almost all have a few flaws, and usually it requires a few revised studies to get conclusive information. The best way to revise a study is to listen carefully to the criticism you get, and to revise your information accordingly.
Assuming that your intuition is just as good as a good study that's been done carefully, criticized, and revised several times according to criticism is very arrogant. That's like saying "I'm so smart that I can just assume something and it's even more accurate than the information that teams of people get by carefully studying things."
I checked once or twice to satisfy my curiosity.. but my intuition tells me what I need to know.
What information did you get when you checked? Can you show it to me? People used intuition for ages. That's where they came up with the earth being flat and all kinds of odd ideas. Someone's intuition came up with (and this is for real) the idea that a good way to deal with serious illness was to strap someone down, saw their heads open, remove their brain, wash it off, replace it, and sew them back up. This never worked, obviously, but they swore by it. Because of science, it was decided that we need to test things thoughouly, no matter what intuition tells us. That's why we suddenly came up with all these amazing new technologies.
My ideal science is the type of science practiced with devout spiritual awareness of the essence of life and responsibility as a sovereign being
That's religion, not science. Science is not supposed to make any assumptions. If you assume something, you're going to make all kinds of errors. Like the example of the guy sawing open people's heads to cure them... he had certain assumptions that he made that he wouldn't question, and it obviously led him to believe things that were blatantly untrue.
Believing in spiritual things doesn't make you a more ethical or nice person. I've met many religious people who are jerks, and many people who don't believe in anything at all that are some of the kindest and most considerate people around. Making assumptions about god or spirituality won't make the application of scientific discoveries any more ethical.
Sure some technology has been used for bad things. But this isn't science, that's the application of discoveries made through science. The discovery of the atomic properties that allowed for the atomic bomb to be made was not a bad thing. That was just some information. When someone discovered that a rock could be used to crack things open, he wasn't doing anything bad. It's once someone decided to use that information to take a rock and crack open a skull that something bad was done.
Some people say that science needs to factor in spirituality... but this doesn't really make a lot of sense. This is like saying "brushing your teeth is great, but it doesn't take religion into account". Well, no, of course it doesn't because it has nothing to do with that. Yes, once you have some powerful information, you need to use that information ethically, but this has nothing to do with science.
But you can't study biology and factor in the soul. Why? Because what's a soul? How the fuck do you study a soul? The only people making this claim are the people who aren't actually conducting the studies. Science now really is the same as the simple experiments you've learned about yourself, only with more information surrounding it.
When Archimides discovered how to use displacement to discover the volume of things, he used a simple experiment. Placing the gold crown in water increased the water level by the equal volume of the crown. How would he have applied spirituality to that bit of science? It doesn't really make any sense. Same with our study of DNA, what we know about DNA has nothing at all to do with what people say about God or souls, but for some reason people are claiming we need to factor them in. Like I said, these people don't know anything about genetics, they're just telling people who do that they're doing it wrong and that they should be doing it differently, only what they're suggesting doesn't make any sense.
If I told you to brush your teeth in a more spiritual way, what would you do? It doesn't make much sense, does it?
As a default, science says God doesn't exist. Why? I say God does exist.
No, it doesn't. It doesn't say any such thing. Science says nothing about god. Science is information, it makes no claims that cannot be validated. There are some scientists who have the opinion that God doesn't exist, but there are also scientists who would disagree. If you can't study it, science says nothing about it.
but then why is (evolution) always a total coincidence and why is it always exactly what I need.
But it isn't always a total coincidence, and it certainly isn't always exactly what you need. I'm not sure what you're talking about there. That's the danger about making judgement based entirely on how things "seem" off the top of your head, it's often incorrect.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Phluck]
#5132566 - 01/02/06 07:06 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Shroomism doesn't like football, therefore he can't be rational. There is no reasoning with him.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Worst.response.ever.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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HELLA_TIGHT said: Worst.response.ever.
Biggest.penis.ever.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5132607 - 01/02/06 07:16 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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I'm not saying that there isn't a serious problem with climate change. It probably is.
There is TONS of good data on this... but there are also quite a few dubious claims being made.
I'm saying that some things people think have something to do with climate change actually don't. The unseasonably warm weather in the past few weeks is probably just that, a bit of unseasonably warm weather.
It's actually quite likely that we haven't really seem many problems that have anything to do with climate change... yet.
A lot of what people are saying about it are loose theories, these things are not definite. We've got to be careful about what we claim to be solid information.
It's just that it's really important not to look at things from the black and white perspective. Not all information that claims to be evidence in favor of climate change is valid or accurate. A bunch of it is, but each individual claim needs to be evaluated. But if you believe that climate change is happening, that doesn't mean you should believe every claim that purports to prove climate change is happening.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Phluck]
#5132689 - 01/02/06 07:32 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Ok just for the record, in regards to the science with spirituality statement.. I'm not talking about religion.. religion is in the same (but different) fuckhole that science is in. I'm just talking about the spirituality (of being human). Not religion.
Ok so I've said some rash things about science in my rant. And religion. Sorry science, sorry religion. They both have their good qualities, just as they have their bad.. and once again it is the people behind them who are doing it. I'm not perfect either, didn't think I was.
I now make it my lifelong obsession to bring science and religion to some sort of middle ground where they are in harmony with one another. The "one human religion" of earth science. ahh.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5132764 - 01/02/06 07:50 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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I understand... when I used the word "religion" I was probably referring to spirituality in general.
My point really is that mixing science and spirituality doesn't make a lot of sense. They really don't have anything to do with one another.
Using technology ethically is a good idea, definitely, but discovering information, which is what science is all about, has nothing to do with spirituality at all.
Like my example about bouncing a ball. You want to figure out how high the ball would bounce, so you use science. You set up a video camera and a big ruler, drop the ball next to the ruler with the camera watching it, then freeze frame the film at the moment when the ball is at its highest and you've got your info. How am I to incorporate spirituality?
All science is really like this, even the crazy genetic stuff. You ask questions then devise tests to figure out the answers. Obviously it gets pretty complicated with some things, but the basics aren't that different.
So I don't get how you're supposed to mix the spirituality with that.
Of course it's quite possible you'll figure out how to do something dangerous, and that's where the ethics come into play, after the science is done and we're moving onto technology.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Phluck]
#5132821 - 01/02/06 08:04 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Yes the technology is what I have problems with mostly. Discovering information is cool. Like shouldn't we be using our energy to create and distribute crazy machines that clean pollution from the ocean instead of the latest chemical weapon or tank armor technology? I just think we need to 'think spiritually' with our science.. like.. hmm if we create this plutonium bomb.. is this flowing in harmony with nature?.. like considering the implications of our actions. Like hmm if we create a machine that cleans the ocean what's the worst case scenario? It wouldn't work and the oceans would still be dirty. If we create a plutonium bomb what's the best thing that can happen? It doesn't explode and everbody doesn't die and hopefully they can find a place to disarm it where the radiation doesn't kill everyone who works on it and then what town are we going to bury it under. See? Like maybe we could create devices that neutralize nuclear radiation and clean the oceans at the same time. Ok that's probably not very practically applied, but you get my point.
Doesn't science create the technology? We should be responsible for the technologies we make.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5132841 - 01/02/06 08:11 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Shroomism said: Yes the technology is what I have problems with mostly. Discovering information is cool. Like shouldn't we be using our energy to create and distribute crazy machines that clean pollution from the ocean instead of the latest chemical weapon or tank armor technology?
That's more a matter of politics and the economy than of science and technology.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Silversoul]
#5132850 - 01/02/06 08:13 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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are you saying politics doesn't have it's hand in science and technology? Politics dictates where the most money and research goes. And what doesn't get researched. And who says what. And who doesn't say what. That's where the media comes into play. And why the shroomery rocks more on its worst day better than cnn ever will.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5132941 - 01/02/06 08:34 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Shroomism said: are you saying politics doesn't have it's hand in science and technology?
Absolutely not. What I'm saying is that your real gripe should be with the politics behind the technology, rather than technology itself.
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Re: The Weather is Officially FUCKED [Re: Shroomism]
#5133035 - 01/02/06 08:55 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Well, there actually are a lot of people researching things to try and help the environment. But feasiblity also controls things.
A machine that cleans the pollution out of the oceans certainly would be nice... but how possible is that?
Politics do play a role in science, but there is a certain amount of freedom for the scientists as well. Quite a few universities have scientists that are freely researching a lot of interesting and very good things.
The plutonium bomb is actually a fairly simple invention compared to a lot of things, so it's not too big a suprise that it was invented as opposed to something that cleans the oceans. It's easy to say that we SHOULD have invented an anti-pollution machine, but such a device would have to process A LOT of air/water, and how much energy would it use? Would it actually be able to clean faster than it pollutes itself?
Sometimes some of the most amazing inventions are stunningly simple. Things can blow us away with what they do without using any concepts that revolutionize the way we see the world. From the sidelines, science looks quite a bit different than it does from the inside.
I really don't know for sure how much is being spent researching all different fields, but it might actually suprise you to see what's being researched in regards to environmental safety.
Also, sometimes something from a suprising field ends up being applicable to something else entirely. The people who are working on environmental studies are researching biology, the effects of pollution on the ecosystem, etc...
But a device that cleans the environment wouldn't come from this kind of study. Such a device would probably require an innovative technique for extracting various chemicals from the air/water, and the kind of discovery that would help for that would probably come from physics or mechanical engineering. A lot of discoveries are accidental, while searching for something else, so it can be a good idea to fund all kinds of different fields.
People with a completely different idea of what they're looking for are often caught off guard when a chemical they synthesize has some suprise properties... many drugs, for example, are invented this way (LSD, Viagra to name a few).
The best way to ensure we discover technologies that can better humanity isn't necessarily to provide huge amounts of funding to say, an alternative energy source project, or an environmental cleanup project, but to try and increase our knowledge in all kinds of things. Not to say that we shouldn't be studying those things individually as well, but they'd likely benefit from discoveries elsewhere.
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