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My guess is no one really cares
    #5130606 - 01/02/06 08:34 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

That someone who fought for justice and really tried to help the Shroomery, has been silenced with a ban. But I want all of you to know that I care. It's part of my philosophy to care without being attached. I miss Cervantes.  :heart:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5130629 - 01/02/06 08:50 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

huh?


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5130642 - 01/02/06 08:57 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Exactly :grin:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5130656 - 01/02/06 09:10 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Why was Cervantes banned?


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5130658 - 01/02/06 09:12 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

WTF!?

On what grounds?

He really put in an effort for this place. Great man.

Edited by dr_mandelbrot (01/02/06 09:14 AM)

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5130672 - 01/02/06 09:20 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

It isn't such that no one really cares, its just that expressing any concern subsequently results in oneself becoming banned.

Tyrants utilize their power to thwart their "opponents". They have no need to address problems raised directly. I do not know of the exact occurence related to this, but I am sure that it follows the exact same pattern that has been revealed every time someone else is forced away in such a manner.

And guess what? This thread is to be declared off-topic, and no doubt Shroomism will be along shortly to lock it. Why? Because this is not the appropriate place to discuss these issues?

And where is this place? We used to think that it would be appropriate within Website Announcements and Feedback, but yet the truth has been revealed to be that there simply is no place in which to express such concerns. We are only alloted to give feedback when it is not negative, or recurrent when no one properly addresses them (when they are ignored, then locked when the thread gets too long and we are all too busy to deal with it, and then banned when they decide they do not like you any more).

Towards what you said concerning care without attachment, I'd like to say that it is a good thing that, while I enjoy participating in this website, I am not attached to it, because it is completely fucked up that immaturity seems to be bountiful within certain individuals who are able to exercise power here. :thumbdown: Perhaps even the most potent mushroom could not even begin to dissolve their raging ego. :lol: It is pathetic to see some of the most prolific contributors that have greatly benefited this website go in such a pitiful circumstance. :frown:

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5130840 - 01/02/06 10:54 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

fireworks_god said:
It isn't such that no one really cares, its just that expressing any concern subsequently results in oneself becoming banned.

Tyrants utilize their power to thwart their "opponents". They have no need to address problems raised directly. I do not know of the exact occurence related to this, but I am sure that it follows the exact same pattern that has been revealed every time someone else is forced away in such a manner.

And guess what? This thread is to be declared off-topic, and no doubt Shroomism will be along shortly to lock it. Why? Because this is not the appropriate place to discuss these issues?

And where is this place? We used to think that it would be appropriate within Website Announcements and Feedback, but yet the truth has been revealed to be that there simply is no place in which to express such concerns. We are only alloted to give feedback when it is not negative, or recurrent when no one properly addresses them (when they are ignored, then locked when the thread gets too long and we are all too busy to deal with it, and then banned when they decide they do not like you any more).

Towards what you said concerning care without attachment, I'd like to say that it is a good thing that, while I enjoy participating in this website, I am not attached to it, because it is completely fucked up that immaturity seems to be bountiful within certain individuals who are able to exercise power here. :thumbdown: Perhaps even the most potent mushroom could not even begin to dissolve their raging ego. :lol: It is pathetic to see some of the most prolific contributors that have greatly benefited this website go in such a pitiful circumstance. :frown:

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:




:shitstorm:

MAIA


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5130885 - 01/02/06 11:21 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

What's funny is I remember when I used to think he was an overzealous moderator. I really admired the guts it took for him to step down from his position in order to do what's right. Unfortunately, many of the higher-ups seem to think that any significant criticism of the job they're doing is an attack on the Shroomery itself(particularly if their criticism hits too close to home). What's sad is that Cervantez, more than just about any other mod I've seen, really did try to make the Shroomery a better place. He was even willing to give up his modship for the cause. Sadly, too many others would rather hold on to the reigns of power than actually do something positive for this place.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5130983 - 01/02/06 12:07 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

:lipsrsealed:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5131059 - 01/02/06 12:39 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Please keep this all in this thread and I won't need to lock or move it. Oh and no personal attacks please.... Thanks!

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5131067 - 01/02/06 12:42 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Cervantes got banned? How did I miss this? What a fucking travesty. We should all submit support tickets asking for the removal of the ban, since they seem to worship the support process.

Cervantes was the only moderator who has ever banned me, yet he was one of my favorites of all-time.

For shame. :shake:

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Redstorm]
    #5131144 - 01/02/06 01:10 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Administration: We love feedback and you are invited to contact us with any comments, suggestions or criticism.

Translation: Unless you disagree with us then that is a different story. By criticism, we mean small insignificant stuff like a font style or color or something, not a questioning of our actions. All punitive actions will be accompanied by an explanation of the rule violation so that the offender may better understand why he is being reprimanded except in those rare cases where you did nothing wrong except to really piss us off and then piss us off even more for pointing out our going outside standard procedure and griping about it, instead of taking it 'like a man'.

Some ACTUAL Swami violation explanations:

"You KNOW what you did!" (Um, yes that certainly clarifies. :rolleyes:)

"JUST STOP IT!" (What could more explicit?)

"While your post in no way violated the rules, your history of previous non-violations added to this one qualifies you for a ban."

"If anyone else had posted this, there would not have been a problem, but because of your record, we must consider this offensive. You are hereby warned."

"There is nothing in your words that would elicit a ban, per se, but WE KNOW WHAT YOUR MALICIOUS INTENT WAS (evidence of ESP?) and consider the Howard quote a form of baiting; therefore you are perm-banned from the Mysticism Forum."


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5131250 - 01/02/06 01:41 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

this thread is never going to be locked and anyone can say anything unless it ought to be in Off-Topic Discussion
which contains content that many will find extremely offensive.

which makes me wonder if 2 truths can be mutually exclusive.
or even true in the first place

let's see - using first principles

in the beginning there was the forum, and with the forum was the moderator.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5131293 - 01/02/06 01:49 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

in the beginning there was the forum, and with the forum was the moderator.

And the Creator formed the Avatar and saw that it was good and he was well-pleased...


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5131305 - 01/02/06 01:52 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Creator?  What is the scientific basis of your claim? Links, please.  :smirk:

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Veritas]
    #5131342 - 01/02/06 02:00 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Veritas said:
Creator?  What is the scientific basis of your claim? Links, please.  :smirk:



Quit persecuting his beliefs.  Moderator!!! :ban:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Veritas]
    #5131352 - 01/02/06 02:02 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I love his avatar
holy jeesus


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Silversoul]
    #5131353 - 01/02/06 02:02 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Wrong forum. :smirk:

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5131374 - 01/02/06 02:07 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
huh?



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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5131495 - 01/02/06 02:41 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

what do swami and cervantes have in common here?....

Seems to me that drastic banning actions are taken only when relentless inquisitions are aimed at top mods regarding "complaining about complaining".

Even cervantes buried himself and his "quest" in the side-rails and peripheral arguments. In the end, the entire point for the original argument was lost and swami/cervantes both found themselves arguing about the appropriate actions regarding their own "freedom fighting" tactics, and ceased to "freedom fight" for whatever cause they originally began arguing about.

I dont care one way or the other if cervantes is perma-banned, but lets not climb up on the cross so soon.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5131519 - 01/02/06 02:48 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I noticed that the lamposts in my area are constructed like ancient crucifixion crosses.
Now transformers are hanging like ripe oversized cocoanuts on these large spikes that line the streets.
I hope they don't ban lamposts.
I hope the lamposts don't complain too much about their plights.

do you think jeesus had much in common with transformers - taking a higher power and helping sell it to the people in the street?


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5131591 - 01/02/06 03:07 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

MAIA said:
:shitstorm:

MAIA




:shitstorm: as well.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5131609 - 01/02/06 03:10 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for your comments. I did not make this post with any false hopes that the mods would be influenced. I just wanted to acknowledge a friend who really got the shaft. I felt that no one had noticed that he wasn't around and I wanted his friends to know what happened to him. :thumbup: I really don't even know what kind of ban it is.


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Edited by Icelander (01/02/06 03:11 PM)

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5131695 - 01/02/06 03:36 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

If anyone wants to contact him, PM me your email address and I'll ask him to send you his email....

I think he would like to hear something from some of you.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5132037 - 01/02/06 04:52 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I noticed that the lamposts in my area are constructed like ancient crucifixion crosses.
Now transformers are hanging like ripe oversized cocoanuts on these large spikes that line the streets.
I hope they don't ban lamposts.
I hope the lamposts don't complain too much about their plights.


:lol:

Your poetic imagery is pweshuss.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Annom]
    #5132050 - 01/02/06 04:55 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I think he would like to hear something from some of you.

You can join the #cultivation chat room on the Shroomery IRC. He's been hanging with us there lately since his permaban.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Diploid]
    #5132070 - 01/02/06 05:02 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Permaban! Unbelievable.  Unfortuantely I can only rate the mods and administration once. :tongue:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Diploid]
    #5132075 - 01/02/06 05:02 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Holy shit, he got a permaban? For what?

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Redstorm]
    #5132086 - 01/02/06 05:06 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I just filled out a support ticket, and I suggest you all do the same. Perhaps this will be more effective than posting in the Feedback Forum.

http://shroomery.org/support/public/index.php

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5132100 - 01/02/06 05:09 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Exactly.

See if you can match the moderator with the quotes in my post.

Fun for the whole family!


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5132128 - 01/02/06 05:15 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

psilocyberin said:
what do swami and cervantes have in common here?....

Seems to me that drastic banning actions are taken only when relentless inquisitions are aimed at top mods regarding "complaining about complaining".

Even cervantes buried himself and his "quest" in the side-rails and peripheral arguments. In the end, the entire point for the original argument was lost and swami/cervantes both found themselves arguing about the appropriate actions regarding their own "freedom fighting" tactics, and ceased to "freedom fight" for whatever cause they originally began arguing about.

I dont care one way or the other if cervantes is perma-banned, but lets not climb up on the cross so soon.




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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5132194 - 01/02/06 05:32 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Me
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Drama


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Moonshoe]
    #5132260 - 01/02/06 05:48 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

If ya had a choice between Shakespeare and this, my lad, which would it be...(shakes head)


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5132309 - 01/02/06 06:02 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

!?! :wtf:
/cares


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Redstorm]
    #5132390 - 01/02/06 06:24 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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I just filled out a support ticket, and I suggest you all do the same. Perhaps this will be more effective than posting in the Feedback Forum.

http://shroomery.org/support/public/index.php





Thanks Redstorm, I just filled one out. :thumbup:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5132432 - 01/02/06 06:34 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I figured his ban was coming.  I miss him too.  :frown:

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MOTH]
    #5132714 - 01/02/06 07:37 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5092498#5092498

... and please if you people want some explanation just take A GOOD READ at Madtowntripper posts. I make his words my words ...

Btw, by all means, keep filling the support tickets. I don't know if half dozen members can make a difference, but anyway, you can always recruit some bad ass OTD'ers. Amaze yourselves, i'm a mod speaking freely about what i think on the subject, how come ? ... Maybe my ninja training has helped a lot.

Swami, would you care to make a wider selection of accusations ? Vertical scroll bars are still for free ...

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5132743 - 01/02/06 07:45 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, right on. He should have taken the mods position on this and taken a permenent break from dealing with any of it at all. Then he never would have gotten banned at all. That's the reasonable way. He sure was a pain in the ass. Speaking out and all.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5132768 - 01/02/06 07:52 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Oh C'mon! He's obviously very bright, and that whole schpiele was an act.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Booby]
    #5132780 - 01/02/06 07:54 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Really? Tell me more. Sounds like you've been following this.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5132795 - 01/02/06 07:57 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

You mean you and veritas aren't in on it? Oedipus & Electra & "Don't worry about what happens to your fellow man as long as it doesn't happen to you" ?

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Booby]
    #5132815 - 01/02/06 08:03 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

How could my posting about this issue be construed as not caring about my fellow man? So now lets see if you can say something I can understand.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5132833 - 01/02/06 08:07 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

You and anyone who agree with his ban are an embarassment to this board. Keep towing the party-line, it suits you well.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5132842 - 01/02/06 08:11 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

His communication might have been abrasive, but I still don't know why he was perma banned?  Okay, he was being annoying, we get that.  He made lots of threads after being told told to let the matter go.  Okay, lock, MAYBE a ban of a short duration.  As far as I know they also don't ban people unless they break the rules, and try to make the punishment fit the crime? 

If this is about this sentence of Cervantes from that thread you linked to:

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I have offered TWO suggestions to FIX THIS PROBLEM.

1. End Shroomery Bias

2. Permaban, when banning with bias, so the drama will stop




If the admin have taken him up on one of these suggestions, then they are going against their own standards (not allowing members to request a ban for themselves).  As far as I can remember, Geo has not banned a member if they have requested it.  I've even requested it once, and been denied.  So I'm just wondering...why was he perma banned? 

But I've already filled out my support ticket inquiring about that, so if you like, no need to answer, I'll just wait until I get a response. 

Oh, and I'm not sure if I'm putting this across very well, but I don't want to come off sounding bitchy or anything.  I'm just trying to be direct.  I wasn't aware a friend was perma-banned and I'm now concerned about a few things... 

so anyway.  :confused:  I won't say anymore in this thread about it.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5132855 - 01/02/06 08:14 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
So now lets see if you can say something I can understand.


Was my English not plain enough?


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Booby]
    #5132876 - 01/02/06 08:20 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

That's what I said. You don't make any sense as far as I can tell. So try it again if you really have something to say.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5132898 - 01/02/06 08:24 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Don't worry; Be happy.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MOTH]
    #5132908 - 01/02/06 08:27 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, I understand a 24 hour ban to allow him to cool down. A permaban? No way in hell.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Redstorm]
    #5132914 - 01/02/06 08:29 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Some think sheep are used for sacrifice but i don't see martyrs, just suicidal attempts.

There's a "worm" with a big sheep arsenal of such kind. Can you say "mmmeeeehhh" ?

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5132928 - 01/02/06 08:31 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Sheep are not for sacrificing, they are mindless followers.  Can you say bahhhhh-n?  :thumbdown:

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5132933 - 01/02/06 08:32 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

/me sheers MAIA's wool and knits a sweater.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5132934 - 01/02/06 08:32 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I was referring to you being a sheep, in the sense that you follow uncritically whatever bullshit the admins feed you.

Explain to me, you brillian mind, under what rules does he deserve a permaban?

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Redstorm]
    #5132967 - 01/02/06 08:40 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Reply to veritas:

output rotation said: "disliking people who deserved to be disliked isn't wrong.
i suppose if i go with your theory, liking terrorists and thieves is healthy?"

Communication is healthy; Outright banning of opposition isn't. Don't you agree Veritas?


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MOTH]
    #5133005 - 01/02/06 08:48 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Look Ellemy, thanks for being objective and direct when arguing about this issue. IMHO, and still not knowing the exact conditions of his ban, i believe Cervantes was pushing it for too long. This kind of situations can be handled privately using PMs. Why does the Shroomery need to start up the drama once and a while, when a member thinks he has the right to compulsively post about the same subject over and over again ?

As i see it Cervantes wanted an apology from the staff just because he does not agree with the staff decision. Sorry, but just because everyones is entitled to an opinion it doesn't mean we are obligated to follow such opinion. In fact, when he left his modship, he started acting like this was a personal vendetta. The reasons ? i don't know, i just know about the facts. And the facts dictate he was publicly and constantly defying the staff decision on a matter already closed by the administration.

I simply don't know what "problem needs to be fixed", that is his relative and subjective premise. What i believe is that what he depicts as "bias", is lack of acceptance regarding the outcome of this drama. That's the real problem, a problem he has to deal with, not the boards.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Booby]
    #5133007 - 01/02/06 08:49 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Disliking and banning should not go hand-in-hand.

If a poster is truly disruptive of the members, i.e. derailing threads with nonsense, engaging in personal attacks, etc...then they deserve a warning & explanation of what their mistakes were.

If a poster is challenging administrative actions, and requesting answers to pertinent questions, they are not breaking any rules, though they may be seen as annoying. Definitely not ban-worthy.

BTW, what am I supposed to be "in on"? Are you referring to Cervantes deliberate attempt to draw biased reactions from the other mods/admins? That was his solo performance.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5133013 - 01/02/06 08:50 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for answering. I hope the admin will reconsider his perma-ban.

Edited by EllemyshShade (01/02/06 08:54 PM)

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5133021 - 01/02/06 08:51 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

This kind of situations can be handled privately using PMs

Cerv tried to handle things privately via support tickets. After three days of trying and no reply at all, he went back to WAF and posted a request that his ticket be handled.

Result: permabanned.

IMHO, and still not knowing the exact conditions of his ban

Duh. For a mod, you're remarkably uninformed.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Veritas]
    #5133023 - 01/02/06 08:52 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

"you'd be happy too
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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Veritas]
    #5133040 - 01/02/06 08:55 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Sheep are not for sacrificing, they are mindless followers.




They can be both. Read what you wrote very carefully ... of course mindless followers can be sacrificed. Astonishing what some of you could understand about yourselves if you could solve a simple allegoric argument ...

Who's the worm ?

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5133068 - 01/02/06 09:04 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Has Cerv every been banned before? If not, the admin who banned him should have been confined by the guidelines of giving a 24 hour ban before giving longer ones. Permabans are reserved for repeat offenders and those guilty of things that compromise the safety of the website or the members it consists of.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Redstorm]
    #5133092 - 01/02/06 09:09 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Cerv tried to handle things privately via support tickets. After three days of trying and no reply at all, he went back to WAF and posted a request that his ticket be handled.




... about the same issue roaming around for months and after the staff reached a final decision. What's the threshold, the millionth time ?

Quote:

Duh. For a mod, you're remarkably uninformed.




Or is it because i follow the staff like a sheep ... or is it because i speak freely. Try to understand your inability to objectively discuss this situation, you are not part of the staff and never did. Anything coming from your side regarding such administrative actions is pure and laughable speculation :smile: .

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Redstorm]
    #5133111 - 01/02/06 09:14 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Redstorm said:
Has Cerv every been banned before? If not, the admin who banned him should have been confined by the guidelines of giving a 24 hour ban before giving longer ones. Permabans are reserved for repeat offenders and those guilty of things that
compromise the safety of the website or the members it consists of.




Rhetoric is well destroyed with facts.

Quote:

Repeat offenders who continue to violate policy and/or administrative direction, will be permanently banned.




RTFM
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1465662/an/0/page/0

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5133121 - 01/02/06 09:17 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

convenient.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Booby]
    #5133142 - 01/02/06 09:22 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

... but also reasonable in this case. Take a read at Anno's posts, does he looks like the guy that's reading about this stuff for the first time ? No, the "administrative direction" had already been given some time ago. You draw your own conclusions ...

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5133143 - 01/02/06 09:23 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

You conveniently left out the first two parts, sweetheart.

# A first offense for minor infractions will result in a written warning by moderator/administrator either via Private Message, or in the thread where the incident occurred. Immediate bans are often issued without warning in circumstances involving SPAM, explicitly illegal activity, excessive harassment, or any behavior deemed malicious.
# Upon second offense, the user will receive a temporary ban of anywhere from 1-15 days with: (1) a brief explanation of the reason behind the ban and (2) the duration of said ban.
# Repeat offenders who continue to violate policy and/or administrative direction, will be permanently banned.

You can't just go from warning to permaban, with extreme exceptions I noted above. He must first be temporarily banned.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Redstorm]
    #5133174 - 01/02/06 09:32 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

He must first be temporarily banned.

He was given a temp ban earlier last month, for 5 days. He said this very clearly in this thread:

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Redstorm]
    #5133183 - 01/02/06 09:34 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

While we will do our best to be fair, we do reserve the right to ban anyone for any reason




The administration can do whatever they want. But that's NOT THE POINT.
You don't know how many violations, warnings or temp bans he went through, or do you ?

Again i stand

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Repeat offenders who continue to violate policy and/or administrative direction, will be permanently banned.







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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: trendal]
    #5133185 - 01/02/06 09:34 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Someone being banned because an admin is being a whiny cunt shouldn't count. Look at the reason for that ban, for fuck's sake.

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    #5133213 - 01/02/06 09:41 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Well, I just found myself in agreement with what he was saying and trying to do. I talked to him and told him my experience with management in the world and predicted each outcome for him. He choose to believe that the mods and admin would come around and change something. So I guess he was willing to be banned over this issue. My reason to post this is to acknowledge his efforts. If we don't see him here again then I wanted to make sure that his friends knew why he was gone.

As I said long ago I actually got involved in this whole mess supporting the mods. That was an error of judgment on my part. Not because there wasn't something that needed to be dealt with but because there was not honor or justice in there dealings with the offenders. And on and on.

So Cervantes, where ever you are tonight. Thanks Pal. It was fun knowing you. :thumbup:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5133224 - 01/02/06 09:45 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks Cervantes, for doing so much for a community that turned its back on you.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5133293 - 01/02/06 10:02 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Swami, would you care to make a wider selection of accusations ?

All true me boy. Anyone who cares can view the thread that got me permabanned. It is RIGHT HERE:  web page

No need to read the whole thread as it was the opening quote that pissed Wiccan_Seeker off so much that the drastic action of a permaban was 'necessary'. Of course, it is not even my quote, but that of a well-respected author.

Spin THAT, Maia!

Cervantes knew it was total bullshit and his integrity gene got the better of him. He would have to have undergone major surgery to stay on staff. Instead he stayed true to his own moral compass. *gasp* We certainly would not want that in a SPIRITUALITY FORUM moderator. :blush:


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    #5133296 - 01/02/06 10:04 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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All true me boy. Anyone who cares can view the thread that got me permabanned. It is RIGHT HERE:  web page



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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Silversoul]
    #5133299 - 01/02/06 10:05 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Seriously Cervantes (if you ever read this):  If I never smoke pot around a campfire with you again, I'm going to be INCREDIBLY pissed off.  :mad2:  Your sense of humor was like no other.  :heart:

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Try it again.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5133403 - 01/02/06 10:29 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Repeat offenders who continue to violate policy...

*yawn*

No offense nor directive was violated and no animals were harmed in the course of my post.

Keep repeating it over and over again and maybe that will make it true...  :rolleyes:

Was there a RATIONAL reason given? No!

Was there a warning given? No! (Well, technically it came AFTER the ban.)

Was there a temporary ban? No!

Was discussion allowed? No!

Did that irk Cervantes? UBETCHA!

Do people respond favorably to having their pettiness being exposed?  Hmmm...

Hence: Silence the truth-bringer. Pure and simple.


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    #5134066 - 01/03/06 04:12 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Thanks Cervantes, for doing so much for a community that turned its back on you.




Yeah he has done a lot for the Shroomery, but don't get so melodramatic; it's not that the community turned its back on him. We are the community, aren't we?

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Redstorm]
    #5134100 - 01/03/06 05:02 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Someone being banned because an admin is being a whiny cunt shouldn't count. Look at the reason for that ban, for fuck's sake.




Sure ! The whole staff are whiny cunts but one moderator. Heck, they all should be banned  :rolleyes:

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    #5134116 - 01/03/06 05:20 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Swami said:
Swami, would you care to make a wider selection of accusations ?

All true me boy. Anyone who cares can view the thread that got me permabanned. It is RIGHT HERE:  web page

No need to read the whole thread as it was the opening quote that pissed Wiccan_Seeker off so much that the drastic action of a permaban was 'necessary'. Of course, it is not even my quote, but that of a well-respected author.

Spin THAT, Maia!

Cervantes knew it was total bullshit and his integrity gene got the better of him. He would have to have undergone major surgery to stay on staff. Instead he stayed true to his own moral compass. *gasp* We certainly would not want that in a SPIRITUALITY FORUM moderator. :blush:




Spin that, LOL !

Your tactics might work with some but they don't work with me Swami. That thread was discussed among the moderators and most of them agreed you were behaving like a prick by subtly but constantly trolling the boards. That's exactly my point, you are versed in the art of trolling, moderators just happen to be trolls natural predators. Live with it!

Anyway, i'm not the one hacking young minds since 1999 ... and if there's someone with the need for an integrity gene, that one is you and all your minions.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5134127 - 01/03/06 05:38 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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As I said long ago I actually got involved in this whole mess supporting the mods. That was an error of judgment on my part.




Drop the mask. Your words of discouragement sent to some moderators are a true indicator of which side you belong. Besides, where's the integrity with playing on both sides ?

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5134158 - 01/03/06 06:16 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Repeat offenders who continue to violate policy...

*yawn*

No offense nor directive was violated and no animals were harmed in the course of my post.

Keep repeating it over and over again and maybe that will make it true...  :rolleyes:

Was there a RATIONAL reason given? No!





Keep shooting yourself in the foot. Repeated offenses are part of the very nature of a troll, there's your RATIONAL reason. As i said before, you're good at it but not that good till the point some un-hacked minds couldn't notice.

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Was there a warning given? No! (Well, technically it came AFTER the ban.)

Was there a temporary ban? No!





You have been banned before for the same reason, trolling. TECHNICALLY we don't need to reset the banning process every time you commit a violation of the protocol.

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Was discussion allowed? No!





You emptied your guts many times regarding this issue. Yet, just because you and Cervantes didn't get what you wanted, you think you both are entitled to hunt the administration as long as you desire. Then you complain about lack of discussion ? Get real, drop the rhetoric and be objective, do count the number of threads and posts dealing with this situation, you'll probably be amazed to what you may find.

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Did that irk Cervantes? UBETCHA!

Do people respond favorably to having their pettiness being exposed?  Hmmm...

Hence: Silence the truth-bringer. Pure and simple.

Bye bye, Cerv. You had some balls, my man.




Pettiness ... truth-bringer ... you sound so absolutely right with your rhetoric don't you ?  :smirk: I'd humbly say "opinion-bringer". He had an opinion, as anyone else had one, but when such opinion doesn't equate inside your little bubble and it gets burst, you promptly define such people as the evil of the shroomery. More and more rhetoric, more and more waste of time with you and your mindless followers.

You should really get a life away from this board for some time and reflect upon what you're doing. That's what i'd call "having some balls". Besides, the people with balls were the mods, which went through this whole bullshit for the sole purpose to make spirituality a place for everyone, and not just spiritual bashers and trolls who think they are entitled of having his truth as the only truth.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5134313 - 01/03/06 09:11 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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As I said long ago I actually got involved in this whole mess supporting the mods. That was an error of judgment on my part.




Drop the mask. Your words of discouragement sent to some moderators are a true indicator of which side you belong. Besides, where's the integrity with playing on both sides ?

MAIA




I had little to do with mods before the Swami banning. My first posts were in agreement that he was trolling and that something should be done about it. OK, I have posted all of this. You especially like to forget or ignore everything you disagree with or that frightens you. When instead of dealing with his violations he was banned for personal reasons and posts that were in no way a violation, that's when I first got a inkling that something was wrong on the moderation side. When I talked to mods about this I got many personal attacks on Swami, they told me right out that they had a personal grudge against him and were determined to get rid of him. I was never on his side (swami) in this but I did defend his unjust treatment. So MAIA, you can take a hike.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5134525 - 01/03/06 10:52 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Sheep are not for sacrificing, they are mindless followers.




They can be both. Read what you wrote very carefully ... of course mindless followers can be sacrificed. Astonishing what some of you could understand about yourselves if you could solve a simple allegoric argument ...

Who's the worm ?

MAIA




You have certainly made it clear that you see Swami as the worm in the great golden apple that is the Shroomery.  Why a worm would have a flock of sheep as followers is unclear, but I supposed a few mixed metaphors are irrelevant compared to the greater issues.  :shrug:

Perhaps it is clouded from your perspective, but the people you call Swami's "mindless followers," would, by an unbiased observer, be seen as his friends. 

I am done discussing this issue, though.  It was my mistake to imagine that this was a community, rather than a corner bar.  If someone offends the bartender, they get bounced.  That's clear enough.  What I have viewed as unfair banishment of community members is merely the 86-ing of offensive drunks.  'nuff said.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5134531 - 01/03/06 10:57 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

That thread was discussed among the moderators and most of them agreed you were behaving like a prick...

And there you have it folks - PLAIN AS DAY!

I posted a 'quote of the day' from the "Secrets of Life" mailing list that came in my mailbox THAT morning (as it did to Skorpivo and several other members interested in personal growth) as a relevant topic for discussion. ANY CURIOUS MEMBER CAN CHECK THIS OUT.

The conclusion: I was 'behaving like a prick' by MOST moderators for something completely ON TOPIC. There was no rule violation; no baiting or trolling; just a foaming-at-the-mouth; 'let's get pitchforks and hang the bastard' mentality based on nothing but some some residual hurt feelings for being made to look like idiots over a previous unjust ban some time back WHEREIN LIES WERE MADE UP to make me look like a villain. Shroomism publicly apologized (thank you bro) for his part in this scheme. (IT IS ON RECORD - LOOK IT UP!)

Were any readers damaged by the thread? ABSOLUTELY NOT! Read it and you will see there was actually some very interetsting  and HELPFUL points made, especially by Veritas. :thumbup:

SWAMI CHALLENGE: If ANY MOD can show anything harmful resulting from that thread, I will voluntarily leave the Shroomery for life nad ne'er return. Can't get ANY BETTER than that for those hateful souls skulking in the shadows.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5134537 - 01/03/06 11:00 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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You especially like to forget or ignore everything you disagree with or that frightens you.




Frightens me, is this supposed to be some kind of joke ?
Disagree, on what ? If we agree Swami is a troll, then there's no disagreement about the core aspect of this issue. Everything else are procedural aspects which were not perfectly handled, mea culpa. Ban period should have been longer and a PM should have arrived to Swami inbox, blame me and the old non functional warning system. In fact i'm happy about this new system and the way it tracks violations. Procedural aspects will be handled automatically, in a way less prone to errors.

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When instead of dealing with his violations he was banned for personal reasons and posts that were in no way a violation, that's when I first got a inkling that something was wrong on the moderation side.




The only personal issue involved in this drama is that most S&P mods do know Swami for some time but you obviously don't. We have adapted several times to Swami's likes and dislikes, it has been a minor issue for mods till some time ago when he began posting in a more direct and abrasive way, the trolling, spiritual mockery way. At his point in time we got two options, start a rupture and end the charade once and for all, or keep a smile in our faces while we get fucked. We choose the former :rolleyes: , as a matter of fact, moderation action started when Trendal made that post and was promptly trolled by Swami.

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So MAIA, you can take a hike.



:sun:

This is the PM i sent Swami after the Trendal incident, i remind you this were the old S&P rules. Tell me if you spot any personal reason for the ban. Facts are clearly and objectively stated. Swami didn't even bother to defend his position but to attack mine, basically his reply to this PM was the usual rhetorical argument, but such info has to be requested to him. Anyway, talking about fear  :rolleyes: ...


Enjoy,

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"2) No Baiting/Trolling
-- Baiting is a circumstance characterized by one individual attempting to lure others into an argument with subtly incendiary remarks."

Which did happened.
Then you broke rules n.3 and n.4

"3) Be Respectful
-- Moderators set boundaries within a forum, and users set boundaries within the threads they create. When a user sets certain parameters for discussion within their thread, it is the responsibility of other members to respect those boundaries. Please respect the wishes of the poster within their thread(s) and take others feelings into account when posting."

Boundaries were set by Trendal and broken by you.

"4) Keep Posts on Topic
-- Off topic posts will be moved to the appropriate forum. "Derailing" threads by making off-topic posts in someone else's thread is considered a violation of this rule, and in some cases the offending posts may be removed from the thread at the request of the thread creator."

Your posts are technically off-topic. The topic was an experiment, not a discussion about the experiment.




Rules are the same for everyone. But we do know some people for some time, the better we know people, the better we try to adapt to their pros and cons, and then make a better judgment. You are a veteran at S&P and we know every time things like this happen, they will make a swirl over there. I'm trying to be cautious and reasonable at the same time. I still don't know what will happen next, but things will be discussed first in the mod forum and then communicated to you.

"The Rules are inflexible. They are in place to discourage unacceptable behavior at S&P. Disciplinary action will be enforced in accordance with The Rules at the discretion of the moderators. Users found in violation of the rules will be warned, and their actions on each occasion logged. If there is no adjustment after the first warning,the user will be banned temporarily."

You're already past first warning.

Btw, i was communicated by Geo that the notification system wasn't working correctly since the last BB update. You should have received a notification but it seems you didn't ...





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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5134549 - 01/03/06 11:07 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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That thread was discussed among the moderators and most of them agreed you were behaving like a prick...

And there you have it folks - PLAIN AS DAY!

I posted a 'quote of the day' from the "Secrets of Life" mailing list that came in my mailbox THAT morning (as it did to Skorpivo and several other members interested in personal growth) as a relevant topic for discussion. ANY CURIOUS MEMBER CAN CHECK THIS OUT.

The conclusion: I was 'behaving like a prick' by MOST moderators for something completely ON TOPIC. There was no rule violation; no baiting or trolling; just a foaming-at-the-mouth; 'let's get pitchforks and hang the bastard' mentality based on nothing but some some residual hurt feelings for being made to look like idiots over a previous unjust ban some time back WHEREIN LIES WERE MADE UP to make me look like a villain. Shroomism publicly apologized (thank you bro) for his part in this scheme. (IT IS ON RECORD - LOOK IT UP!)

Were any readers damaged by the thread? ABSOLUTELY NOT! Read it and you will see there was actually some very interetsting  and HELPFUL points made, especially by Veritas. :thumbup:

SWAMI CHALLENGE: If ANY MOD can show anything harmful resulting from that thread, I will voluntarily leave the Shroomery for life nad ne'er return. Can't get ANY BETTER than that for those hateful souls skulking in the shadows.




For gods sake, i'm referring to Trendals thread not that one. Well yes it looks like you're loosing it Swami, you've stirred up so much shit that you've already lost the count to what you've done. Keep'em coming !

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5134559 - 01/03/06 11:12 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I noticed that you failed to follow through on pointing out 'my accusations" because you KNOW I can back them all up. A fact is NOT an accusation. Nice duck though after that widely-missed cannon shot.

What's the threshold, the millionth time ?
Millionth? Is that truly how many times? Or hyperbole like much of what you spew?

Dealing with something PROPERLY THE FIRST TIME leaves no residue among the non-banned members. These folks are generally of high intelligence and KNOW when they are being bamboozled and when a punitive action is justified. When I was banned for having a puppet, I never said a peep about it and neither did anyone else BECAUSE IT WAS AGAINST POLICY AND WAS CORRECT!

Try HONEST AND STRAIGHT-FORWARD and you will GAIN RESPECT.

WHO IS THE SHROOMERY if not those responding to this thread? All posters shared of THEIR OWN ACCORD. I didn't blackmail or even PM a single one to take note of this thread.

I ask again? Just WHO IS THE SHROOMERY?


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5134567 - 01/03/06 11:16 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

For gods sake, i'm referring to Trendals thread not that one.

Yes, let's not talk about the one that resulted in a perma-ban.

For the public record MAIA, who else is perma-banned from the Mysticism forum and never directly flamed anyone?

I would wager ZERO. This is called 'special treatment'.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Veritas]
    #5134620 - 01/03/06 11:38 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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You have certainly made it clear that you see Swami as the worm in the great golden apple that is the Shroomery. Why a worm would have a flock of sheep as followers is unclear, but I supposed a few mixed metaphors are irrelevant compared to the greater issues.




Not quite...



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Perhaps it is clouded from your perspective, but the people you call Swami's "mindless followers," would, by an unbiased observer, be seen as his friends.




It's not a question of friendship, it's a question to blindly follow someone argument disregarding any further facts presented by the other part. I have posted coherent and objective argumentation during this whole drama, the same has not happened on his side. That's why i posted that PM, i still stand by it by all means and i still address the core problem as trolling by a shroomery member.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5134621 - 01/03/06 11:38 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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... and please if you people want some explanation just take A GOOD READ at Madtowntripper posts. I make his words my words ...




As you have chosen to represent your perspective with the expressions of Madtowntripper, I will subsequently reply directly to his quotations from the thread that you have linked in order to lay waste to such a reply, P&S style, as though you yourself had written it. :evil: Guilt by professed association, it would seem.

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Seriously. If I was Ythan, I'd probably be a little sick of you at the moment. I'm sure if you could manage to go a couple weeks without posting a two-page scree about Admin Bias and Support Tickets and Terrible Injustices, you might get a slightly more sympathetic response from someone. You seem to be trying very hard to turn yourself into a martyr.




Perhaps he would not have become so vocal concerning the manner to the point where it has annoyed the administration to the point at which they permanently ban a valuable, respected member of the forum who has quite honestly done nothing wrong if said administration would have directly addressed the issues raised in an effective, responsible, mature manner that would befit the very concept of being an administration.

What exactly has been done by this administration to resolve this? I've seen threads concerning the issue locked when they are not on-topic for the forum that they are in. I've seen the threads then created in the appropriate forum locked because nothing can be resolved by a community constantly bickering back and forth, the same points being raised time and time again. We are suggested to seek to solve these problems privately, through various avenues provided by the administration to communicate, and then I see constant evidence that there is no effort by this administration to respond.

If you are going to establish a system by which to manage and interact with one's community in order to maintain a specific order, it does not make sense to repeatedly demonstrate that it is not used. What is the purpose of a sponsor ticket if they are apparently ignored? What is the point of creating a ban purpose form in order to clarify on the specifics on why someone was banned if the content put into such a form is immature and is not the slightest bit informative? Why pretend to seek feedback when you will not address raised issues that obviously effect a portion of the community (judging by how readily they will get involved, and the degree of their squabbling)?

It just does not resemble good management to me. This is a community, and we interact as a community. When issues are raised regarding the management of this community, and we start to communicate with each other concerning it in the frenzied manner in which we do, there is very obviously a problem. The problem isn't the debate itself, or the persistence of those who feel they have points to express. The problem needs to be addressed by a form that is willing to involve themselves within their community in order to be able to play a responsible, direct role in seeking resolution.

And what, specifically, is the problem this time around? What does everyone think the problem is? Obviously something is going on, and each one of us see our view of the problem, whether it is a banning, someone's attitude, the fact that the same people keep saying the same things and won't shut up about it, etc. etc. etc.

Whatever it is, it doesn't exist over in Mushroom Cultivation:

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Btw, by all means, keep filling the support tickets. I don't know if half dozen members can make a difference, but anyway, you can always recruit some bad ass OTD'ers.




As if the amount of people involved equates into whether or not it is a valid problem. This only concerns an aspect of the community, and the fact that it does not concern the community as a whole does not mean that it does not deserved to be addressed, or that those involved cannot make a difference. I do not feel that your attitude as it has been presented as a representation of the administration as a whole is one of honestly seeking to resolve issues within the community.

Honestly, ya'll will make your decisions as you make them, and you basically have no responsibility to anyone. I do not understand how this means that the structure and order that ya'll have established should be abandoned as it repeatedly has as a means to resolve these issues. I'm sure it seems to be the easy, quickest way out of the responsibility of directly addressing concerns, but the reason this aches like a sore wound is because the proper medication has not been applied.

Its very obvious that this is being read by those responsible, and I admit that my own attitude is not exactly conducive to the best manner by which to resolve this. Then again, the last person who decided to play their part to act  towards solving a conflict (that of the forum split) in a responsible manner has now been permabanned. It seems that he did a great job until it got to the point that specific concerns still unresolved were not addressed. Our forums are split in the way that it seems everyone preferred it, and everything works great. Now what was it that he was still striving to change?  Anyone?

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5134635 - 01/03/06 11:45 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Not quite...






Sorry, I don't get this reference.  I don't play video games.  Could you explain what this means in real-life terms?

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It's not a question of friendship, it's a question to blindly follow someone argument disregarding any further facts presented by the other part. I have posted coherent and objective argumentation during this whole drama, the same has not happened on his side. That's why i posted that PM, i still stand by it by all means and i still address the core problem as trolling by a shroomery member.




You assume that everyone who disagrees with your "objective" arguments is blindly following Swami's lead.  Another option is that we are listening to BOTH sides, and deciding for ourselves what we believe.  Speaking ONLY for myself, this has been my process of arriving at my stance on this issue.  It goes beyond Swami trolling in Trendal's thread, to the overall POV of him as the sole and single problem with this forum, and the judgment that his views are "not spiritual."  The issue is far more dynamic than one troublemaker or "worm," if you prefer.

But, as I said, I realize now that I was naive to think that the rules here were different than the "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" posted at the corner bar.  If the mods all want to 86 someone, they will.  :shrug:  This time it's Cervantes, last time it was Swami, next time it might be me.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5134646 - 01/03/06 11:50 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I will take the necessary steps to correct my actions:

"Oh can we? History may show otherwise. Banana nut bread, anyone?"

I publicly apologize for any dieters that I caused to 'fall off the wagon' with my tempting "Banana Nut Bread' and "Christmas Cookies' threads. I sorry.  :frown:

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5134657 - 01/03/06 11:58 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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It's not a question of friendship, it's a question to blindly follow someone argument disregarding any further facts presented by the other part.




And who is blindly following Swami's arguement disregarding anything presented by yourself? You are declaring that anyone who seems to not agree with your point of view is not thinking on their own, as if they are under the powers of Swami's mind control? If your presented facts were so enlightening, wouldn't this issue be settled?

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I have posted coherent and objective argumentation during this whole drama, the same has not happened on his side.




According to you. The same could be said of your "coherent and objective argumentation".

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That's why i posted that PM, i still stand by it by all means and i still address the core problem as trolling by a shroomery member.




If that were indeed the core problem, then what does Cervantes have to do with it? I was under the impression that what was under question was the administration's actions related to what you describe as the core problem.

This is evidence of the fact that banning and silencing is not going to solve anything. If it did, we wouldn't suddenly be arguing about occurences involving different people not directly related that happened too long ago for any effective discussion.

If we are going to state that the whole reason that we have had several drama-infused arguments revolving around one person, then a forum split, and then someone else months later getting permabanned is because one Shroomery member once trolled, then we might as well shoot ourselves in the head now. Swami isn't exactly a valid scapegoat anymore, now is he?

If this community is having severe problems in managing situations that have transpired within it, who we do look towards? Management? :lol:

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Veritas]
    #5134665 - 01/03/06 12:01 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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This time it's Cervantes, last time it was Swami, next time it might be me.




I wouldn't worry too much about it, as they don't seem to be too particularily skilled in the ability to do so. Swami is still posting.... in this very thread... right now... and Cervantes might be currently gone, but yet all of the chickens in the coop are clucking like fuckin' crazy.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5134670 - 01/03/06 12:04 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not worrying about it.  That would be a waste of my energy. :grin:

Still, the fact that I am not minding my P's & Q's puts me at the same risk for 86-ing as those who have gone before.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5134671 - 01/03/06 12:04 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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I publicly apologize for any dieters that I caused to 'fall off the wagon' with my tempting "Banana Nut Bread' and "Christmas Cookies' threads. I sorry.  :frown:




This is a disturbing act of trolling. You are deliberately trying to cause great emotional reaction from those who are quite tense concerning this situation and your presence in general!

You must know how it feels to be a comedian at a funeral. Your light of being lies at odd with their loss and fuels their contempt of you.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Veritas]
    #5134678 - 01/03/06 12:08 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Still, the fact that I am not minding my P's & Q's puts me at the same risk for 86-ing as those who have gone before.




As long as you keep displaying the pictures that you do, I can't imagine you getting banned. :grin:

If we all speak our mind, will we be safe? Or will all of us be banned? Perhaps the reason Cervantes was permabanned is because he was a persistent troll? Because it seems as though the desire to express one's opinion and have it discussed, the essence of a forum, is exactly that. :thumbdown:

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5134679 - 01/03/06 12:09 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I have always wondered why I have seen people complaining about you in regards to S&P and the the other new forum. It is now clear as day to me that you are nothing more than a pretentious, condescending person. You lack any sort of tact whatsoever. Your conduct in this thread has been much lower than I would expect from a mod.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Redstorm]
    #5134684 - 01/03/06 12:12 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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I have always wondered why I have seen people complaining about you in regards to S&P and the the other new forum. It is now clear as day to me that you are nothing more than a pretentious, condescending person. You lack any sort of tact whatsoever. Your conduct in this thread has been much lower than I would expect from a mod.




I formally request that this particular post be removed from this thread in order to comply with the request by Annom that no personal attacks on another's character be issued in order for this thread to remain unlocked.

I would also request Redstorm to edit the reply, cut out the text, save changes to the reply itself, and then paste the text into a private message form and send it directly to Maia himself. :thumbup:

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5134697 - 01/03/06 12:17 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, I agree.  Let's keep this thread clean & on-topic, OK?

Redstorm, I understand your frustration, but keep the personal remarks in PM's.  Thanks!  :smile:

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5134701 - 01/03/06 12:18 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Try HONEST AND STRAIGHT-FORWARD and you will GAIN RESPECT.




Respect is a secondary result of my actions. I seek harmony in the boards, if that gives me respect, the better, but i don't cry for it.

Look, read my PM again. Since the beginning i've stated the rules you broke based on the facts i've seen, and i really don't know how to be more honest and straight-forward than that. If you or anyone else are not happy with my appreciation on the issue, then you are entitled to have a different opinion and fight for it. It does not, however, give you the right to publicly and constantly recall an already closed issue and stir up more drama. Use the PM system and contact the administration instead.

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WHO IS THE SHROOMERY if not those responding to this thread? All posters shared of THEIR OWN ACCORD. I didn't blackmail or even PM a single one to take note of this thread.

I ask again? Just WHO IS THE SHROOMERY?




Physically the shroomery are its members, the staff, the vendors, the supporters, logically there are the boards, the chats and all the information gathered and structured made available to everyone. But there's more, much more than the tip of the iceberg you usually see in the couple of forums you visit. It's not the games you play at S&P that make a difference, it's much better and bigger than you can imagine. It's a union of minds with the purpose to achieve knowledge and share it with the rest of the world, the shroomery is a mushroom god per se. By all means i will uphold the freedom of consciousness above any lower attitude such mockery or trolling, be it at MR&P or anywhere else in the boards.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5134709 - 01/03/06 12:21 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

This is a disturbing act of trolling.

Only because you are a food-addict. (And a sex addict as evidenced by your drooling response to Veritas' artsy nude.)

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5134713 - 01/03/06 12:22 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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By all means i will uphold the freedom of consciousness above any lower attitude such mockery or trolling, be it at MR&P or anywhere else in the boards.



:dielaughing:

WOW!!!  That's gotta be hoot number 1 on my list.  The irony of "upholding the freedom of consciousness" by censoring free speech is more mind-boggling than the strongest trip I've ever taken.  The smell of bullshit coming from you is overwhelming.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5134741 - 01/03/06 12:35 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I seek harmony in the boards
:rofl: :rofl2: :rofl: :rofl2: :rofl: :rofl2: :rofl: :rofl2: :rofl: :rofl2:

Since the beginning i've stated the rules you broke based on the facts i've seen
How come no non-staff members view a spiritual quote as a perma-banning offense? EXACTLY WHAT RULE WAS BROKEN? Break it down CLEARLY for once and for all and end the confusion. No sideways vague references like in the last hundred communiques from the staff. BE PRECISE AND DIRECT. LET EVERY ONE SEE and END THE DRAMA. Too simple?

Sorry bro, but ONCE AGAIN the reason given by the mod was 'evil intent'. If Wiccan can show he has telpathic ability, I will step down permanently; otherwise ANYONE CAN BE BANNED AT ANY TIME because a moderator has a vivid  and paranoiac imagination.

ONCE AGAIN, what harm came from the inspired thread? No response. Typical.

By all means i will uphold the freedom of consciousness ...
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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5134743 - 01/03/06 12:36 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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I seek harmony in the boards




Then you might consider changing your methods as your expected result does not seem to be apparent within them.

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It does not, however, give you the right to publicly and constantly recall an already closed issue and stir up more drama. Use the PM system and contact the administration instead.




Why should we consider using an option that has been demonstrated to have no effect? I wonder if Martin Luther King Jr. was simply stirring up more drama, rallying civil rights protests, constantly harping the country's administration again and again on the same closed issue. I also consider what effect putting a bullet in his head had to resolve said issue.  :rolleyes:

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It's not the games you play at S&P that make a difference, it's much better and bigger than you can imagine. It's a union of minds with the purpose to achieve knowledge and share it with the rest of the world, the shroomery is a mushroom god per se.




Obviously every system has a great number of aspects and facets. This doesn't negate the purpose and the role within the forum that you do not refer to by its correct name, nor does it mean that the occurences within this forum do not have a right to be settled in a proper manner. 

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By all means i will uphold the freedom of consciousness above any lower attitude such mockery or trolling, be it at MR&P or anywhere else in the boards.




:lol: The freedom of consciousness? What exactly does that mean? :smirk:

Nothing like creating a controlled, limited structure to contain such a "freedom of consciousness". Perhaps one's effort to uphold such a freedom for consciousness has obstructed one's abilities to experience such consciousness and effectively promote it through one's own actions. Consciousness and maturity go hand in hand.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Silversoul]
    #5134749 - 01/03/06 12:38 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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WOW!!!  That's gotta be hoot number 1 on my list.  The irony of "upholding the freedom of consciousness" by censoring free speech is more mind-boggling than the strongest trip I've ever taken.  The smell of bullshit coming from you is overwhelming.




Exactly. It isn't advantageous to a community to prohibt the free discussion of issues that said community obviously feels is important to discuss as a community, and to seek resolution to problems that effect the community as a whole.

The role of upholding freedom of consciousness would seem to imply stepping the fuck on out of its way and letting it be free. :lol:

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Redstorm]
    #5134753 - 01/03/06 12:40 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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I have always wondered why I have seen people complaining about you in regards to S&P and the the other new forum.




Please come up with a mod, as old as i am, that has never had any problem with any member. You can call it the Maia challenge or something. The fact is, i probably have banned a handful of people since i am a mod. You probably can't stand such fact but that's the truth you got to live with.

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It is now clear as day to me that you are nothing more than a pretentious, condescending person. You lack any sort of tact whatsoever. Your conduct in this thread has been much lower than I would expect from a mod.




:chillpill:  :smile:

If you don't have any more arguments please don't bother start flaming me. Such words have the same effect of a mosquito hitting the windshield. If you want to accuse me of something, do it objectively.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5134764 - 01/03/06 12:43 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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The role of upholding freedom of consciousness would seem to imply stepping the fuck on out of its way and letting it be free. :lol:



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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Silversoul]
    #5134778 - 01/03/06 12:46 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Which new year is this again??  :confused:

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5134783 - 01/03/06 12:48 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Please come up with a mod, as old as i am, that has never had any problem with any member.




Now come up with a moderator who consistently has similar problems with several members over the span of time and forums. :lol:

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You can call it the Maia challenge or something.




Quite the subtle manuever to provoke others. This is trolling, correct?

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The fact is, i probably have banned a handful of people since i am a mod. You probably can't stand such fact but that's the truth you got to live with.




Far more alarming is the fact that you seem, from my vantage point, to not conduct yourself as a representative of the administration should in order to prevent such problems as these. Intentionally provoking those involved with statements such as "You probably can't stand such, but live with it", etc. ad nauseum, is promoting harmony within the boards in what way? :nonono:

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Such words have the same effect of a mosquito hitting the windshield. I




Exactly, they create a smudge, which you then have to scrub quite vigorously in order to remove, otherwise your perceptions will be obscured. Either way, negative effect for yourself, if the metaphor you expressed truly does reveal the effect his words have had for you. :lol:

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Astonishing what some of you could understand about yourselves if you could solve a simple allegoric argument




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In Summation [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5134812 - 01/03/06 12:58 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Let's Summarize what we have learned:

1. Only certain undefined writers may be quoted or only by certain undefined members and only during certain undefined periods.

2. A post or thread need not be harmful or offensive or off-topic to be ban-worthy.

3. The Mind-Reading Rule should be added to the policy:Written content alone is not the only possibly offense. If any Mod believes he/she sees some malicious intent BEHIND your words, whether real or imagined, you may be warned or banned at any time.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Silversoul]
    #5134848 - 01/03/06 01:06 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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WOW!!! That's gotta be hoot number 1 on my list. The irony of "upholding the freedom of consciousness" by censoring free speech is more mind-boggling than the strongest trip I've ever taken. The smell of bullshit coming from you is overwhelming.




You assume too much ... :laugh:

With great power comes great responsibility. Freedom of speech is such a great responsibility, it has to be used with respect to others freedom, namely their freedom of consciousness or freedom of thought. When i say i'll uphold freedom of consciousness i'm not saying i will sacrifice freedom of speech. On the other hand, i try to harmonize and seek balance if/when both start a confrontation.

Judging by the words and attitudes of former S&Pers, many times freedom of consciousness was sacrificed for the sake of freedom of speech. Look at P&S as it is now, i read it regularly but i'm not willing to post in most threads. Kicking virgin cunts seems like a good theme of discussion for some of you, in fact it becomes a laughing matter, how fun ! It's cool to freely express how sure you are about the non existence of god and mock those poor and sensitive believers, sure ... the great majority is not here anymore :smirk:. This forum has become a philosophical OTD regarding universal issues, where skeptics just agree with each other every time. I bet it doesn't offer the same fun the old S&P delivered, no believers to mock huh ?

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5134874 - 01/03/06 01:16 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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You assume too much ... :laugh:



Ok, so maybe that was horseshit that I smelled from you, rather than bullshit.  My bad.

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With great power comes great responsibility.



Yes, and repeatedly violated your responsibilities as mod.  I hope this means you will relinquish that power.

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Freedom of speech is such a great responsibility, it has to be used with respect to others freedom, namely their freedom of consciousness or freedom of thought. When i say i'll uphold freedom of consciousness i'm not saying i will sacrifice freedom of speech. On the other hand, i try to harmonize and seek balance if/when both start a confrontation.

Judging by the words and attitudes of former S&Pers, many times freedom of consciousness was sacrificed for the sake of freedom of speech. Look at P&S as it is now, i read it regularly but i'm not willing to post in most threads. Kicking virgin cunts seems like a good theme of discussion for some of you, in fact it becomes a laughing matter, how fun ! It's cool to freely express how sure you are about the non existence of god and mock those poor and sensitive believers, sure ... the great majority is not here anymore :smirk:. This forum has become a philosophical OTD regarding universal issues, where skeptics just agree with each other every time. I bet it doesn't offer the same fun the old S&P delivered, no believers to mock huh ?



I, for one, am a theist who has never once felt threatened or held back by the expression in this forum of atheistic or agnostic ideas.  I recognize their right to express their views, just as I express mine.  My freedom of consciousness is enhanced -- not held back -- by their expression of ideas which may challenge my faith.  Freedom of consciousness is not at odds with freedom of speech.  It is dependent upon freedom of speech.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5134925 - 01/03/06 01:26 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

So MAIA, I have stated my feelings on this a number of times and frankly I'm pretty sick of having my questions brushed off or ignored.  I don't really want to go over the Swamster again because this thread is about Cervantes. You and I aren't ever going to agree on this one and so be it. But for many of us Cervantes was a great example of a mod who was willing to look at things and call a spade a spade. The fact he stepped down and now is banned is no surprise to me.

But I've been through this many times in my working life. I know the drill and I know how to remain fairly unattached to things being just the way they are. I also believe that people who want to "manage" others are a breed apart. And I don't see that changing any time soon. :wink:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5134977 - 01/03/06 01:34 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Now come up with a moderator who consistently has similar problems with several members over the span of time and forums.




Some, but if you think almost all S&P mods had problems what you call "several members", it's easier to come up with the "several members" in this particular case  :smirk: . As for myself goes, i'm having some intermittent problems with the same people posting in this thread since November last year. How many are you, 5 maybe 6 ?

Anyway, MR&P has been a good and painless experience  :laugh:

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Quite the subtle manuever to provoke others. This is trolling, correct?




Hmmm, you didn't create the phrase. You can consider it plagiarism but definitely not trolling.

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Far more alarming is the fact that you seem, from my vantage point, to not conduct yourself as a representative of the administration should in order to prevent such problems as these. Intentionally provoking those involved with statements such as "You probably can't stand such, but live with it", etc. ad nauseum, is promoting harmony within the boards in what way?




I'm not the one which created such problems, i just dealt with them and got back fired because there was no total agreement. I'm not even a mod in this forum, i'm just representing myself in this case.

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Exactly, they create a smudge, which you then have to scrub quite vigorously in order to remove, otherwise your perceptions will be obscured. Either way, negative effect for yourself, if the metaphor you expressed truly does reveal the effect his words have had for you.




The smudge is secondary, there are tools to clean it. Anyway, one can always expect some rain from time to time.... and better the windshield than your face...

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Silversoul]
    #5135013 - 01/03/06 01:46 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Ok, so maybe that was horseshit that I smelled from you, rather than bullshit. My bad.




:handth: Should i laugh or should i cry ...

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Yes, and repeatedly violated your responsibilities as mod. I hope this means you will relinquish that power.




Facts please  :smirk:. And no, i won't give you such pleasure as for now ...

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I, for one, am a theist who has never once felt threatened or held back by the expression in this forum of atheistic or agnostic ideas. I recognize their right to express their views, just as I express mine. My freedom of consciousness is enhanced -- not held back -- by their expression of ideas which may challenge my faith. Freedom of consciousness is not at odds with freedom of speech. It is dependent upon freedom of speech.




Of course they depend upon each other. I mostly agree with your view but this part "My freedom of consciousness is enhanced -- not held back -- by their expression of ideas which may challenge my faith." . Although things might work this way for you, it doesn't work this way for most "believers", disregarding this aspect is saying to most believers they don't have a place at the shroomery to freely discuss such matters. Not all people have an inquisitorial nature, i respect that, do you ?

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5135024 - 01/03/06 01:49 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Per usual, you as a staff representative, have ducked most of the pertinent questions that could be easily answered/clarifed yet wonder why the drama remains.

Trendal said my Howard/Sheep thread got a warning/ban because I did not add inital commentary. Of course there is no such rule, IS THERE?

There is little respect, NOT Because of difference of opinion, but because of inconsistency, enforcing new and unwritten rules on-the-fly, dodging, fabricating, failing to follow your own procedures, etc.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5135052 - 01/03/06 01:54 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Kicking virgin cunts seems like a good theme of discussion for some of you,
Huh? If inappropriate themes are brought up then they should be dealt with. Of course this rant has NOTHING to do with what happened to Cervantes.

It's cool to freely express how sure you are about the non existence of god
Are you stating that people can or cannot express disbelief in a deity? This has been a relevant topic of Philosophy since it's inception.

I bet it doesn't offer the same fun the old S&P delivered, no believers to mock huh ?
This appears to be a mocking statement. Is this an example of what we SHOULD or SHOULD NOT emulate. I am confused.  :confused:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5135058 - 01/03/06 01:55 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Why should we consider using an option that has been demonstrated to have no effect? I wonder if Martin Luther King Jr. was simply stirring up more drama, rallying civil rights protests, constantly harping the country's administration again and again on the same closed issue. I also consider what effect putting a bullet in his head had to resolve said issue.




The analogy would be correct if what concerned Cervantes was a greater good for the community. It wasn't, as i see it, he was more concerned on being right than to solve and end the drama. The correct analogy would be beating a dead horse every other day, expecting he would stand up and run.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5135073 - 01/03/06 01:59 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

It wasn't, as i see it, he was more concerned on being right than to solve and end the drama.

You must be talking about the staff as no real effort was made to correct anything. Cervantes is gone and the wound still festers. So much for bringing harmony and solving the problem, just shoot the messenger. That'll work.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5135079 - 01/03/06 02:00 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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I seek harmony in the boards
:rofl: :rofl2: :rofl: :rofl2: :rofl: :rofl2: :rofl: :rofl2: :rofl: :rofl2:

Since the beginning i've stated the rules you broke based on the facts i've seen
How come no non-staff members view a spiritual quote as a perma-banning offense? EXACTLY WHAT RULE WAS BROKEN? Break it down CLEARLY for once and for all and end the confusion. No sideways vague references like in the last hundred communiques from the staff. BE PRECISE AND DIRECT. LET EVERY ONE SEE and END THE DRAMA. Too simple?

Sorry bro, but ONCE AGAIN the reason given by the mod was 'evil intent'. If Wiccan can show he has telpathic ability, I will step down permanently; otherwise ANYONE CAN BE BANNED AT ANY TIME because a moderator has a vivid  and paranoiac imagination.

ONCE AGAIN, what harm came from the inspired thread? No response. Typical.

By all means i will uphold the freedom of consciousness ...
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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5135091 - 01/03/06 02:02 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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It wasn't, as i see it, he was more concerned on being right than to solve and end the drama.

You must be talking about the staff as no real effort was made to correct anything. Cervantes is gone and the wound still festers. So much for bringing harmony and solving the problem, just shoot the messenger. That'll work.




Your rhetoric won't cease to amaze me.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5135110 - 01/03/06 02:06 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

If you sought resolution you would address the salient points. Your failure to do so is plain evidence of your lack of concern.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5135142 - 01/03/06 02:14 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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MAIA said:
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It wasn't, as i see it, he was more concerned on being right than to solve and end the drama.

You must be talking about the staff as no real effort was made to correct anything. Cervantes is gone and the wound still festers. So much for bringing harmony and solving the problem, just shoot the messenger. That'll work.




Your rhetoric won't cease to amaze me.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5135163 - 01/03/06 02:19 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

1. I don't know why you made this thread here. Cervantes got banned BY AN ADMIN for repeteadly dragging his feet through the mud in WA&F, after being warned many times to chill out. He was my friend too at one point.

So I don't understand why you guys are complaining here, where no admin will see it, and nothing can be done about it by us lowly mods.

2. All this talk about repression of free speech.. where is it?

3. I was supposed to lock this thread after the first post? Guess I'm not living up to my reputation, or some of your assumptions.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Silversoul]
    #5135168 - 01/03/06 02:20 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

To date there have been several hundred pages devoted to this and similar topics; yet NOT A SINGLE CONCERN has been directly addressed.

Is this called 'creating drama' or 'problem resolution'? (I will have to pull out the Moderator Dictionary wherein words mean different things than in real-life.)


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5135173 - 01/03/06 02:22 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Since you guys think I'm the enemy, I'll just be an asshole, and say that this isn't a democracy, and no one has a right to post here. It's a priviledge.

Is that what you want? Someone to exercise power over you so you can cry foul? Well I'll lock this thread and ban you too if you really want it that bad.

People always talking shit behind my back. Saying I'm going to lock this, or ban this. Maybe I actually should for a change.. this get's real fucken old.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Shroomism]
    #5135199 - 01/03/06 02:28 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

...and say that this isn't a democracy, and no one has a right to post here. It's a priviledge.
True dat, but then why pretend otherwise with Staff-created rules that are not followed consistently? Just drop the facade, then we all know the game and can accept it is about kissing the hand on the throne and not about content or lack of it.

I have long believed that Spirituality was in large part about integrity. Yes?

All of these power games seem to be ego/fear-based and indicative of being STUCK in a lower chakra.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5135206 - 01/03/06 02:30 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Well whatever power games you are referring to, I certainly had no part in.

I'll say it again. Cervantes got banned by an admin for posting in WA&F... complaining about it here is an exercise in futility.

As admins don't come here anymore.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Shroomism]
    #5135208 - 01/03/06 02:31 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Is that what you want? Someone to exercise power over you so you can cry foul?

I think you have the sequence reversed.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Shroomism]
    #5135228 - 01/03/06 02:34 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

complaining about it here is an exercise in futility.

Or anywhere else for that matter. There is no indication that the Staff desires resolution of any sort except to silence through fear. This seems to be against the service philsophy that you have shared with us throughout the years. I sincerely hope you have not abandoned that as it set you apart - and I mean that in a positive light.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5135239 - 01/03/06 02:36 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

what ever happen to the sqeeky wheel gets the grease ?


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    #5135263 - 01/03/06 02:42 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

The squeaky wheel gets "greased'.  :blush:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5135273 - 01/03/06 02:44 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

so true.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Shroomism]
    #5135377 - 01/03/06 03:24 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

. I don't know why you made this thread here

Hey, you need to read my posts. I have stated clearly more than once why I posted this. And I do it here because this is where I live and Cervantes friends are. Very Simple.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Shroomism]
    #5135386 - 01/03/06 03:27 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Well I'll lock this thread and ban you too if you really want it that bad.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5135388 - 01/03/06 03:27 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

That was too clear and direct. Please re-respond using mod-speak.


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    #5135399 - 01/03/06 03:30 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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. I don't know why you made this thread here

Hey, you need to read my posts. I have stated clearly more than once why I posted this. And I do it here because this is where I live and Cervantes friends are. Very Simple.




And I never stated I wanted to influence the mods or admin. I wanted people to know where I stood philosophically on the banning and I also wanted people to know what became of Cervantes.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5135410 - 01/03/06 03:33 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Which is more important: UFOs or Friendship?


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5135489 - 01/03/06 03:59 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Neither is more important, but each have their place in the Shroomery.

UFO's: MR&P unless you are OK with debating their existence, then P&S.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Veritas]
    #5135657 - 01/03/06 04:51 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Veritas]
    #5135659 - 01/03/06 04:52 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

This thread has gotten disturbing. I want to give my true opinion of affairs, but I think I'll save that for my journal.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5135665 - 01/03/06 04:54 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Which is more important: UFOs or Friendship?



Dude, how can you even question the importance of UFOs?


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Silversoul]
    #5135885 - 01/03/06 05:48 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

friendship? you are all 1's and zero's to me.... unless I have personally met you.

Its so funny how the softer, more compassionate, liberal side of swami and co. come out when trying to climb up on the cross, and save the harsh, sophmoric, raucous, pack mentality for the UFO geeks.

seriously... listen to yourselves. how petty is it to get upset over shit like this.... I think a large part of the problem here is people getting too serious and personally emotional over insignificant bullshit on an internet forum with complete stranger "friends".

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    #5135900 - 01/03/06 05:52 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Well, many of us posting in this thread have personally met and spent time with Cervantes. 

The song I had playing in my head since I started paying attention to this thread was, "can't we just all get alonggggg?!"    :tongue:

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    #5135955 - 01/03/06 06:20 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I recommend reading Ellemys journal folks. :thumbup:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Silversoul]
    #5135956 - 01/03/06 06:21 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
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MAIA said:
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Swami said:
It wasn't, as i see it, he was more concerned on being right than to solve and end the drama.

You must be talking about the staff as no real effort was made to correct anything. Cervantes is gone and the wound still festers. So much for bringing harmony and solving the problem, just shoot the messenger. That'll work.




Your rhetoric won't cease to amaze me.

MAIA



Nor will your bullshit.




Bullshit is not answering a simple question:
"Not all people have an inquisitorial nature, i respect that, do you ?"  :smile:

Philosophical fundamentalism is bullshit. Those who turn dialectics into a kind of self proclaimed righteousness are just deceiving themselves.

As one can see by reading some threads in this forum, such people are extremely confrontational and some very argumentative, demonizing anyone who differs from their fundamentalist views. In furthering their cause, the end often justifies the means. That's when sheep become expendable ...

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5135965 - 01/03/06 06:23 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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demonizing anyone who differs from their fundamentalist views




As opposed to you, who has done nothing but reply with snide and sarcastic responses throughout this thread?

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    #5135972 - 01/03/06 06:25 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Perhaps you would not experience everyone on these boards as a total stranger if you thought of them as human beings, rather than 0's and 1's?

I find that I can relate at many different levels without meeting people in person.  Maybe it's because I wrote to over 100 pen pals during my childhood, or maybe I just don't see connection as being limited to face-to-face interactions.  :shrug:

Do remember to speak only for yourself, though, because many of us here do consider each other to be friends, and we relate at that level, not as binary codes.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Veritas]
    #5136026 - 01/03/06 06:39 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Ive met a couple of people from the shroomery... and I can think of them as friends, the rest, i cant speak for, because even if you attempted to accurately represent who you are on this forum, it wont come through exact. Everyone here is a fictional representation of themselves, on some level, no matter how "true" you think you are.

So, when rationalized down to that point, you guys are no more than chat buddies.... chat buddies dont bail you out of jail, or loan you 300 bucks for rent. chat buddies dont have a real shoulder to cry on. A digital friend..... sure, ok.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Redstorm]
    #5136088 - 01/03/06 06:55 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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demonizing anyone who differs from their fundamentalist views




As opposed to you, who has done nothing but reply with snide and sarcastic responses throughout this thread?




It's the way you twist things that makes your argument weak. I have used a couple of sarcasms and responded most questions, yet i "do nothing but" in your eyes.

Instead of using this kind of unfair argumentation, try for a change to be objective and answer my question to Paradigm.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5136124 - 01/03/06 07:02 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

What is your question?

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5136136 - 01/03/06 07:04 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

*taps fingers*

Still waiting... When you are through commenting on everyone's style perhaps you would show the good will and harmonizing traits by just giving straight answers. If you can't then just say so. And please don't say 'already asked and answered' because if that were even remotely true then there would still be no dilemma. ANd please, pretty please don't say "What questions?"

Come on Maia. Show guidance and leadership worthy of your ability. No sarcasm intended. It is in you, so get grounded and mediate us back into a quasi-happy family.  :thumbup:


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    #5136238 - 01/03/06 07:32 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

And people don't "fictionally represent" themselves in person? We are all projecting a persona, what varies is how close the persona is to what we, ourselves, know to be the true self. If you wish to be known, you will be known, whether it is to the friend who bails you out of jail, or the semi-anonymous poster who counsels you when you have a problem.

The division between so-called "digital" people and those you meet in person is less than you believe it to be.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Veritas]
    #5136262 - 01/03/06 07:36 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

id rather rely on my perception of a REAL person be the judge of character, rather than smileys....

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    #5136282 - 01/03/06 07:40 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

:lol:  Perception, i.e. your filtered version of reality, of a REAL person's portrayal of who they think they should be.  OK, I guess that can be more intimate.  Especially if their "should" isn't too far from the truth of who they are.  Or maybe you have a better chance of catching them in a lie when you see them in person?

Whatever works for you.  :shrug:

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    #5136302 - 01/03/06 07:44 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Sorry, I don't get this reference. I don't play video games. Could you explain what this means in real-life terms?




Excuse me, i forgot to reply this one. Those images are from the game "worms", old school stuff. In the game you control a worm with a vast arsenal. That arsenal consists of some weapons. One of such weapons is a sheep which is a suicidal warrior ready to explode at your will :crazy:.

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You assume that everyone who disagrees with your "objective" arguments is blindly following Swami's lead.




Not that fast. When someone presents a fair argument and asks a question, he or she deserves an objective answer. My answers have been objective as i have addressed most questions with verifiable answers. The thing is, when people instead of using a fair argumentation try to divert others with rhetorical arguments, they create a void where no objective truth can be found.

I won't get tired of using the word rhetoric. Please make a search and see what it means. You'll conclude it suits very well some members in this board.

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Another option is that we are listening to BOTH sides, and deciding for ourselves what we believe.




That's ok with me but it's a paradox at the same time. Logically one should decide for the most objective argument, but actually many choose to skip the facts by refusing such objective arguments, then they tend to dramatize the situation and bring more discord and hate to the community. But anyone is free to do it, in fact some members don't know what to do with such freedom that they forget about crossing the line in regards to respecting other members. Philosophical fundamentalist usually cross such line. They do it by simply mocking, bashing or ridiculing other members and their ideas.

I'll try to address some more of your issues tomorrow. Good night ...

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Veritas]
    #5136304 - 01/03/06 07:44 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

example: i think it is easy to say that I am a huge asshole..... on this forum. While, there is no real difference between the way i type, and the way I talk, you wouldnt think me as much of an asshole in real life.

body language is a good percentage of communication.

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    #5136336 - 01/03/06 07:49 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, I agree that non-verbal communication is an important part of transmitting messages.  However, I don't think it makes the difference between relating to someone as a person and relating to them as a 1 or a 0. 

But we're off-topic.  Sorry.  :blush:

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Redstorm]
    #5136337 - 01/03/06 07:49 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Not all people have an inquisitorial nature, i respect that, do you ?




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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5136391 - 01/03/06 08:03 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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When you are through commenting on everyone's style perhaps you would show the good will and harmonizing traits by just giving straight answers.




If you want to do things more orderly please enumerate all your questions and i will try to answer them.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5137898 - 01/04/06 08:35 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

What a disturbing thread

It's bound to happen when you get so many different minded humans in one "room".

All I can be sure of is, there is MUCH to ego from most of you in here. Everyone's all bent on trying to prove their point and why they are right. Everyone trying to be more witty with their response than the last. I will say, some are more experienced than others. It's like you thrive on trying to make yourself appear more intelligent/wiser/WHATEVER and will do whatever it takes to drive your opinion home. There's so much to be said of all the shit that goes on here daily and especially in topics like this, but in the end it all boils down to PLAIN & SIMPLE human nature. Like I say, it's inevidable(sp?) with so many different people from around this fucked up globe.

Some of you really need to get outside, take a nice deep breath of fresh(hopefully not polluted) air and find something more constructive to do and stop analyzing and picking apart such insignificant crap.

I'm not trying to sound insulting and if it came across that way, well, sorry, but shit happens. I already know full well that posting something so "raw" without much so called intelligence/rhetoric/sarcasm/and whatever else some of you live on...is going to get picked apart a thousand different ways, replied with a sarcastic remark, or perhaps a line from a poem/quote, or a link to the "facts"...but I really don't care. I won't be peeking my head back in here to find out.

I have my faults, probably more than most of you, but come on people, you can find something better to do than this.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Spooge]
    #5137965 - 01/04/06 09:14 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

There is some truth to what you are saying here. And there are also some issues here of importance to some who feel a strong connection to this web site. And many of us are friends of Cervantes to one degree or another and it's good to know that he just didn't quit posting here.

Finally, if you plan on coming here and chastising people and then announcing that you won't stick around to hear any response to your post then you are afraid. And hit and run isn't honorable.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5138355 - 01/04/06 11:45 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

If you want to do things more orderly please enumerate all your questions and i will try to answer them.

1. Do you think that a large number of veteran and intelligent members would make such a noise if the punitive action was truly deserved and handled properly and in accordance with procedure?

2. With at least five mods/admins admitted bias in my case, how can the action taken be considered fair and impartial?

3. Why do two different mods give two totally different reasons for my banning? (Neither of which are rule violations.)

4. Are mods such powerful mind-reading wizards that they can tell wrong intent (even when there is none)?

4a. If this is the case, then they should be able to easily pass the Randi Challenge and make a million bucks.

4b. If this is NOT the case, then should not bans be based upon ACTUAL CONTENT of the offensive post?

5. Is any other veteran member besides the Swam, perma-banned solely from the Mysticism forum?

6. Is there a list of authors that can and cannot be quoted somewhere?

7. Was there not bad blood between the staff and Cervantes for breaking ranks?

8. Do you think he did it merely to piss certain people off or because he truly felt an injustice occurred?

9. Why has it taken hundreds and hundreds of pages and months and months to finally arrive at this point where we may actually try to communicate instead of at the beginning?

10. The drama has frequently been laid at mine and Cervantes feet? What role do you feel staff contributed to keep things going and how can this be avoided in the future?

Maia, this IS my online home. I HAVE and WILL play by all the rules, but they must not be invisible, vague or non-existent for myself or others to follow them. And they must be applied evenly and with minimal emotion.

10.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5139407 - 01/04/06 03:58 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

11. Are you so enamoured with yourself that you think anyone cares?


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5139431 - 01/04/06 04:03 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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11. Are you so enamoured with yourself that you think anyone cares?



Cervantes was just banned for caring. Obviously if the administration continues to ban those of us who care, then there will eventually be no one left to care.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Silversoul]
    #5139470 - 01/04/06 04:12 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Cervantes was banned for contiuously beating a dead horse...and bringing un-needed drama. I had no problem with Cervantes at all until then. Like it or not, The Shroomery is NOT a democracy, either tow the 'company' line...or go elsewhere. There really is no mystery to it.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5139476 - 01/04/06 04:14 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Cervantes was banned for contiuously beating a dead horse...and bringing un-needed drama.



In other words, caring about something that you don't. My point stands.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Silversoul]
    #5139482 - 01/04/06 04:16 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

call it whatever you want if it helps you...

The point is that if anyone has an objection they are free to make it to the Admins...but once they make their decision, live with it or post elsewhere...don't keep dragging up drama after the fact...which is exactly what Cervantes did.

I've had it out with the admins on more than one occassion, but respect their decisions once they are made.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Silversoul]
    #5139492 - 01/04/06 04:18 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Georgie Bush is always talking about opposition creating unneeded drama. So blindly support the policy folks or you are a drama freak.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5139493 - 01/04/06 04:19 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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call it whatever you want if it helps you...

The point is that if anyone has an objection they are free to make it to the Admins...but once they make their decision, live with it or post elsewhere...don't keep dragging up drama after the fact...which is exactly what Cervantes did.

I've had it out with the admins on more than one occassion, but respect their decisions once they are made.



Can I assume, then, that you believe it was not ok for war protesters to continue protesting after the decision was made to go to war with Iraq?


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5139516 - 01/04/06 04:24 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

The obvious difference being that The Shroomery is not a Democracy, and is provided to you for free.


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    #5139521 - 01/04/06 04:25 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Can I assume, then, that you believe it was not ok for war protesters to continue protesting after the decision was made to go to war with Iraq?




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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5139531 - 01/04/06 04:28 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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The obvious difference being that The Shroomery is not a Democracy, and is provided to you for free.




America is not a Democracy either. :wink:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5139536 - 01/04/06 04:29 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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America is not a Democracy either



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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5139556 - 01/04/06 04:34 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

either tow the 'company' line...or go elsewhere

:rofl2:

I have not towed the company line and I will not go elsewhere until forced.  :wink:


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    #5139566 - 01/04/06 04:38 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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I have not towed the company line and I will not go elsewhere until forced.




on the contrary...you have been towing the line or you wouldn't be here. There is a difference between healthy debate/difference of opinion and stirring up shit.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5139580 - 01/04/06 04:41 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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I have not towed the company line and I will not go elsewhere until forced.




on the contrary...you have been towing the line or you wouldn't be here. There is a difference between healthy debate/difference of opinion and stirring up shit.



Yes. That difference being that stirring up shit is when you expose the injustice of an administrative decision, whereas debate is for things like smileys or the layout of the Shroomery.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5139595 - 01/04/06 04:45 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I have made the same complaints as Cervantes, I have confronted the Mods and Administration, and rated them accordingly. I have made no bones that I think they have acted dishonorabily and not in accordance with their words. The only thing I have not done is to care as much as Cervantes has.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Silversoul]
    #5139603 - 01/04/06 04:48 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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That difference being that stirring up shit is when you expose the injustice of an administrative decision




*sigh*...like I said...Anyone that has issues with the way the website is Administered is welcome to state their discontent to the mods or Admins, but once their decision is made you can either live with it or you certainly have the option to start your own website and administer it however you feel is appropriate.

I'm don't get why it's so hard for many to understand that this website is a PRIVATELY OWNED website and can be run however the admins want.

If you were paying membership fees, or even a supporter account for that matter, I could understand your protests...but this is a FREE service provided to you.
Accept it for what it is or leave it...it's that simple.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5139627 - 01/04/06 04:53 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think any of these problems would be problems if the admin stated up front that they were going to run things however they damn well pleased. I like that kind of honesty. But they set up guidelines for themselves and then announced it to us and so we have expected them to play by their own rules. The fact is that they have not and we have called them on it and when someone calls them on it too loud they often get banned. Just like in the "real" world. :grin:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5139632 - 01/04/06 04:56 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

>I don't think any of these problems would be problems if the admin stated up
>front that they were going to run things however they damn well pleased.

Didn't they?

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5139638 - 01/04/06 04:58 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

The rules weren't created for the admins...they were created because the admins recognized a need for rules after certain users abused the system until rules needed to be put in place.

There used to be no rules at the Shroomery and it was great, until Drama whores and hate magnets started to ruin it for everyone.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5139640 - 01/04/06 04:58 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

"we do reserve the right to ban anyone for any reason"

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=Forum7&Number=1465662

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Anno]
    #5139642 - 01/04/06 04:58 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I thought I heard some talk of mod guidelines and such. There are a set of rules and regs. I can remember a few admin and mods talking about improving the fairness of there decision making.

So which is it?


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5139648 - 01/04/06 05:00 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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I thought I heard some talk of mod guidelines and such.



Guidelines are not rules...


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Anno]
    #5139649 - 01/04/06 05:01 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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"we do reserve the right to ban anyone for any reason"

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=Forum7&Number=1465662




Then cut the crap about being fair and all that. Just set up your dictatorship and drop all the little niceties and get on with it.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5139670 - 01/04/06 05:06 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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While we will do our best to be fair, we do reserve the right to ban anyone for any reason:




seems pretty straight forward to me...what part is unclear to you?

Cervantes was given many chances, he chose to ignore those warnings and as a result got permabanned.

If I tell you to stop poking me multiple times and you keep doing it despite my best polite efforts to make you stop...you can hardly act surprised if I sock you in the nose.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5139730 - 01/04/06 05:24 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

:afro: Fight tha Power! :mrt:

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    #5139753 - 01/04/06 05:32 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I pity the fool that fights the Shroomery... :wink:


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    #5139773 - 01/04/06 05:37 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Ha! Fight!?
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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5139843 - 01/04/06 05:47 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

he chose to ignore those warnings and as a result got permabanned.

EXACTLY what rule did I violate with the post that ended in my Forum-Specific ban? Read it and point it out. This is what frustrates both Cervantes and myself. You guys are not honest nor straightforward in this matter, but wrapped up in emotionalism and personal vendettas. Why not just state what everyone already knows?

See, here is the problem. This question has been asked a hundred times with nary a rational, direct answer. How can one tow the company line when there is no company line?


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5139844 - 01/04/06 05:47 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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While we will do our best to be fair, we do reserve the right to ban anyone for any reason:




seems pretty straight forward to me...what part is unclear to you?

Cervantes was given many chances, he chose to ignore those warnings and as a result got permabanned. 

If I tell you to stop poking me multiple times and you keep doing it despite my best polite efforts to make you stop...you can hardly act surprised if I sock you in the nose.




Ya, fair enough. I forgot that I made this post to inform Cervantes friends that he was banned and to personally say I would miss him and felt he was a real friend of the Shroomery. :blush: If you take the time to read my early posts I had stated that and then got off the track and back into drama :grin: My bad. :tongue: I doubt Cervantes doubted he would be banned. I will not be surprised if it ever happens to me either and then I will travel on into the amazingly expansive world of the web. :thumbup: I will say though that I have been posting here for almost a year and I have never gotten so much response. My really good posts were mostly ignored.  :rofl2:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5139869 - 01/04/06 05:51 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

If I ever get banned unjustly I will just keep returning! I can't help it, the Shroomery community is my crack! I find myself browsing the Shroomery new users in suspect of Cervantes being among them!

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    #5139918 - 01/04/06 06:04 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

That's very sneaky of you. You are a bad girl. I like you. :wink:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5139953 - 01/04/06 06:11 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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EXACTLY what rule did I violate with the post that ended in my Forum-Specific ban?




Swami...EXACTLY what part of "we do reserve the right to ban anyone for any reason" are you missing?

If you keep stirring up shit for no reason other than to be a drama whore you are going to attract the attention you are looking for, and I guarantee that you won't like the results. This is not a threat...it's the truth, and you know it is.

I don't mince words, and have no hidden agenda.

You try to make others think that The Shroomery owes you something...guess what...it doesn't.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5139976 - 01/04/06 06:16 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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I forgot that I made this post to inform Cervantes friends that he was banned




Don't get me wrong...I liked Cervantes, he backed me in some very intense debates in the Mod forum. And I wish I could have backed him in his...but I didn't agree with him, and neither did the other mods/admins.
He chose his own path... and while I do respect his decision, we also need to respect the consequences of his decision.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5139979 - 01/04/06 06:16 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Is that avatar picture for real? And is that Swamis head? :rofl2:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5140278 - 01/04/06 07:10 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Rono said:
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Can I assume, then, that you believe it was not ok for war protesters to continue protesting after the decision was made to go to war with Iraq?




irrelevant...see above post.



Actually, it's quite relevant. You said:

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The point is that if anyone has an objection they are free to make it to the Admins...but once they make their decision, live with it or post elsewhere...don't keep dragging up drama after the fact...which is exactly what Cervantes did.

I've had it out with the admins on more than one occassion, but respect their decisions once they are made.




Allow me to draw the parallel:

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The point is that if anyone has an objection they are free to make it to the Bush administration...but once they make their decision, live with it or move elsewhere...don't keep dragging up drama after the fact...which is exactly what war protesters are doing.

I've had it out with the Bush regime on more than one occassion, but respect their decisions once they are made.



Would you agree with the above quote? If not, how does democracy or anything else make it anything other than a double-standard?


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Silversoul]
    #5140374 - 01/04/06 07:33 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Oh come on dude, even a blind man can see that your argument is completely irrelevant...you are really grasping at straws trying to compare The Shroomery to the Bush Administration.

-Bush is a PUBLIC SERVANT that was 'voted' in...and as a result, he is accountable to the public and it's opinion since they are paying his salary and taxes...Bush can be voted out.

-The Shroomery is a PRIVATE WEBSITE, that was created by the Admins...since you are paying absolutely ZERO (you don't have a supporter account, nor are you a sponsor)
You (and I) are bound by whatever rules the Admins decide or we are free to go elsewhere since Admins cannot be voted out. (Unless by other Admins)

You really have no leg to stand on here and you know it...you are just arguing now for the sake of arguing.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5140479 - 01/04/06 08:01 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Still, It would be nice of you guys had your  :glittershitz: together. :lol:

But I for one am chill with this. It was fun and the inevitable has happened. We fought the good fight :grin: and we can go to bed tonight, secure in the knowledge that, that's the way the cookie crumbles. :heart:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5140511 - 01/04/06 08:09 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Yah, I'm not seriously put out or anything. Just wish Cervantes could return and everything could be peachy!

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MOTH]
    #5140520 - 01/04/06 08:11 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for reminding us of the reason for this thread. Good luck Cerv. :thumbup: :heart:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5140814 - 01/04/06 09:11 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Swami...EXACTLY what part of "we do reserve the right to ban anyone for any reason" are you missing?
Then why were phony reasons given?

And why the special treatment?

And why do you bother do you tell us to follow the rules to get along when now you tell us they are not REAL guidelines; that a whim is sufficient?

It is difficult to follow you, but I am trying.

If you keep stirring up shit for no reason other than to be a drama whore...
Never happened until the unreasonable bans. You guys keep putting the blame in the wrong place. Reasonable and fair actions create nary a ripple. About two thousand man-hours could have been saved with straight-forwardness that is still lacking.

I guarantee that you won't like the results. This is not a threat...it's the truth, and you know it is.
It is both. The point is what purpose do you think it would serve? If your engine is knocking, do you merely wear earplugs to 'fix' what is wrong?

You guys taking further punitive action just to rub your hands together gleefully and say, "We finally got that bastard!" is pretty much against the root of spirituality and what the members as a whole are trying to accomplish here. Then I will be quiet, but the discontent will grow.

I truly do not undertsand why you (meaning the Staff) do NOT desire resolution - REAL resolution. All of this shit would go away in an instant.

You guys keep pretending that I am unreasonable when reason is my basic philosophy.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5140836 - 01/04/06 09:14 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Did you notice that we keep getting the 'rotating representative' treatment in every one of these type threads? This is a standard management runaround and avoidance technique used by insurance claims departments and others to wear people out.

Fortunately, I type 200 words a minute, have no life and never sleep.  :grin:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5140853 - 01/04/06 09:17 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5140904 - 01/04/06 09:26 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Do you really type that fast. :shocked:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Silversoul]
    #5140907 - 01/04/06 09:26 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Note how the discussion has deteriorated from "We are participating in this thread because we are interested in your concerns" to "Here is a hot, steaming bowl of STFU!"


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5140919 - 01/04/06 09:27 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

How fast did you just type that?


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5140925 - 01/04/06 09:29 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I just thought it. I have transcended typing.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5140954 - 01/04/06 09:33 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Then why were phony reasons given?




No Phony reasons were given to my knowledge...perhaps different people have different takes on it...all are valid.

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And why do you bother do you tell us to follow the rules to get along when now you tell us they are not REAL guidelines; that a whim is sufficient?




The rules for Shroomery users are not Guidelines, they were set in place because of people like you that keep forcing the issue thus forcing the admins to make more rules.

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And why the special treatment?




I am aware of no special treatment, other than Administration going by a users history.

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About two thousand man-hours could have been saved with straight-forwardness that is still lacking.




I don't think anyone can be more straight forward with you than I am being...perhaps the problem lies with you.


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If your engine is knocking, do you merely wear earplugs to 'fix' what is wrong?




Nope...I get rid of the offending part.

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You guys taking further punitive action just to rub your hands together gleefully and say, "We finally got that bastard!" is pretty much against the root of spirituality and what the members as a whole are trying to accomplish here.




What do you care of Spirituality? And since when does the Shroomery dictate it's rules according to Spirituality? Nice try.

Quote:

I truly do not undertsand why you (meaning the Staff) do NOT desire resolution - REAL resolution. All of this shit would go away in an instant.




The Administration has resolution...it's not the Shroomery's problem that you don't.

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You guys keep pretending that I am unreasonable when reason is my basic philosophy.




The you can certainly understand the very logical concept of "if you don't like it, leave"

Do you have any actual valid points?


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5140960 - 01/04/06 09:33 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

And with Microsoft's new Thought 6.2, you can too!

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5140987 - 01/04/06 09:39 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Your post is a great example of the over blown egos that are being criticised. You totally justified every criticism made in the thread with this garbage. How combative and rude.

"The you can certainly understand the very logical concept of "if you don't like it, leave""

Without users the Shroomery makes 0 advertising dollars. This is a money making business after all...the idea of a community is merely a front for advertisers to hock their wares.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5141022 - 01/04/06 09:46 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Call me combative or rude...makes no difference to me since both are true.

But the point remains the same.

Does the shroomery make money?...you bet it does.

Are you required to spend a single penny to enjoy it?...nope.

The overwhelmingly vast majority of the Shroomerys users are happy with it...so why the need to change things because of a couple of malcontents?


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5141035 - 01/04/06 09:50 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

"The overwhelmingly vast majority of the Shroomerys users are happy with it...so why the need to change things because of a couple of malcontents?"

Heavy handed tactics will eventually drive out more than a couple.

"Does the shroomery make money?...you bet it does."

Money that you have no vested interest in. Mod is an ego position only. I STRESS the word ego.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5141043 - 01/04/06 09:51 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Mod is a service position only.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5141053 - 01/04/06 09:53 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Heavy handed tactics will eventually drive out more than a couple.




Then I guess now is your chance to capitalize and create your own site.

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Money that you have no vested interest in. Mod is an ego position only. I STRESS the word ego.




You are 100% correct in my case...I can't speak for the other mods, since many of them are here for the love of Mushrooms.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: shroomydan]
    #5141059 - 01/04/06 09:55 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Service? I see no services rendered...not to the Shroomery or the users who it depends on for it's livlihood. I do see a lot of ego and high handed attitudes. The only time I ever contacted a mod about a problem (threats and harrassment)I was told to shut up or leave.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5141062 - 01/04/06 09:56 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Heavy handed tactics will eventually drive out more than a couple.





Actually, sheep prefer a firm hand on the staff.  :grin:  The ones who leave will be the few with minds of their own.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5141073 - 01/04/06 09:58 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

All are valid
Not adding commentary to a post is a bannable offense is what you are saying?

Quoting a well-accepted author is a bannable offense is what you are saying?

Irrational is what I am saying.

I am aware of no special treatment, other than Administration going by a users history.
Yet, no other person has been warned, much less, banned for such non-offenses now have they? And this non-infraction added to the other non-infractions makes up my 'history'?

0 + 0 + 0 = 0.

The rules for Shroomery users are not Guidelines, they were set in place because of people like you that keep forcing the issue thus forcing the admins to make more rules.
What did I force with my non-infraction?

And since when does the Shroomery dictate it's rules according to Spirituality?
Why would a person volunteer to moderate a forum that he/she is not interested in?

I don't think anyone can be more straight forward with you than I am being.
Ducking every question with double-speak is certainly not being straight-forward.

The Administration has resolution...it's not the Shroomery's problem that you don't.
Which is why, once again, that this (type of) thread has the largest readership and participation. The unrest does not originate with me. Many members are upset with the Staff's actions for very valid reasons.

Denial and suppression only appear to work. History has borne that out time and time again, and yet those in power fail to grasp that a community or society can't be beaten into contentment.

Why am I telling you this? You are politically savvy.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5141090 - 01/04/06 10:03 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Service? I see no services rendered




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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5141098 - 01/04/06 10:04 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Oooh oooh!  I know this story...it's "The Emperor's New Clothes!"

What do I win??  :smirk:

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5141137 - 01/04/06 10:12 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Swami, we could do this song and dance all night. I will say something, then you will completely miss the point and try to steer the conversation to how hard you have it, and how irrational the Administration is. To which I will respond "like or leave it"...
I honestly don't know how to make it more simple for you...

What it comes down to is that we both have an inflated sense of self-importance here at the Shroomery, the main difference is that I can admit it...you can't.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5141156 - 01/04/06 10:17 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Swami, we could do this song and dance all night.

Because I keep trying to talk about what is or is not acceptable content and you keep going far afield.

Whether my ego is overblown or not does not address the fact that I was given a speeding ticket while going well under the limit.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5141202 - 01/04/06 10:24 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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I was given a speeding ticket while going well under the limit.




That's not for me to say..I didn't issue the ban.

But to be perfectly blunt, you can either suck it up and accept the fact that you got spanked, and leave it at that...or continue beating a long dead horse...

I would also like to add that this thread is not about you at all, until you decided to make it about you...thus confirming my point about your ego.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5141217 - 01/04/06 10:28 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Cervantes, where fore art thou Cervantes. :grin:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5141234 - 01/04/06 10:31 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

you can either suck it up and accept the fact that you got spanked
As the purpose of such actions is to teach, what is the intended lesson to be learned?

I would also like to add that this thread is not about you at all
Then you are not paying attention. Cervantes got banned because he got involved on my behalf as he knew that the bans were unjust.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5141246 - 01/04/06 10:34 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

you can either suck it up and accept the fact that you got spanked
As the purpose of such actions is to teach, what is the intended lesson to be learned?

I would also like to add that this thread is not about you at all
Then you are not paying attention. Cervantes got involved on my behalf as he knew that the bans were unjust. This led to his stepping down as a mod and eventual ban for speaking out and finding no resolution.

There still is none.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5141251 - 01/04/06 10:35 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Double post. It must be true.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5141292 - 01/04/06 10:43 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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As the purpose of such actions is to teach, what is the intended lesson to be learned?




The same lesson that I have been saying from the start over and over again...like or leave it, if a mod warns you for something, then heed the warning or suffer the consequences...and since we've established that the Administration does not need a reason to ban you, it would make sense to not piss them off would it not?

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Cervantes got banned because he got involved on my behalf as he knew that the bans were unjust.




Incorrect and incredibly (yet unsurprisingly) egotistical...Cervantes was not banned for getting involved on your behalf, he was banned for continuously making threads about it, (even after warnings) after an administrative consensus had already been reached and agreed upon.

Now if you have any questions about Cervantes that do not concern you I would be happy to try and answer them.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5141315 - 01/04/06 10:47 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I have a question. What's the chance of his ban being lifted?

And is he happy and having a good life? :grin:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5141329 - 01/04/06 10:50 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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What's the chance of his ban being lifted?




I honestly don't know...Personally I would like to see him back, but it is not my choice. I am sure that if he truly wanted to that he could just create another account if he hasn't already.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5141350 - 01/04/06 10:56 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Well,Rono thanks for building up the post count and making this my biggest and bestest thread ever. :thumbup: :grin: I don't think I ever heard of you until this thread. It's been fun and you really stick to your guns. I have to go to bed now. My girl is sick and needs a warm bod next to her. Peace out. :heart:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5141363 - 01/04/06 10:58 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

All power to the People!
And
Ban the fucking bomb!












Erm....

Unban!

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5141364 - 01/04/06 10:58 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

if a mod warns you for something, then heed the warning
This is the point that you keep missing: there was no non-heeding. I am not sure if you are being deliberately obtuse or are unable to comprehend.

If you get pulled over for doing 30 in a 45, you get a ticket and the cop says "One more time buster and you lose your license!" Next week, you are again going 30 in a 45 and your license is pulled because of your 'history' of non-heedance, what EXACTLY have you learned? To move to another state? To hate the police? Both?

Cervantes was not banned for getting involved on your behalf, he was banned for continuously making threads about it,
I understand that, but the ROOT cause that led down this path was unfair action followed by a lot of Admin blustering double-speak and complete non-resolution from the member's standpoint.

Now if you have any questions about Cervantes that do not concern you I would be happy to try and answer them.
The same way that Maia answered my questions earlier?

The same way that Cervantes' questions were answered?


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5141463 - 01/04/06 11:13 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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what EXACTLY have you learned? To move to another state? To hate the police? Both?




FINALLY...You get it!

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I understand that...but the ROOT cause...




If you understand it then we are done here...the ROOT cause is irrelevant, his reactions to it are the reason he was banned, not for his opinions.

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The same way that Maia answered my questions earlier?

The same way that Cervantes' questions were answered?






Are those your Questions?...in that case then my answers are:
1) No...In case you haven't noticed, I am not as nice as Maia and have answered your questions quite bluntly leaving you little room for misinterpretation.

2) Since I don't recall Cervantes asking me any questions, I would have to say No.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5141577 - 01/04/06 11:31 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

FINALLY...You get it!
So as heeding or not heeding may lead to the same action, why would you make a point of saying one must heed? Seems psychotic.

the ROOT cause is irrelevant
And therein lies the whole problem. Why did you even bother coming into this thread? You have no desire to resolve anything unless one considers a boot on the neck as resolution.

and have answered your questions quite bluntly leaving you little room for misinterpretation.
Sorry, you failed to answer a single question. Merely typing words doesn't count as you have clarified only that you are apathetic and heavy-handed. Wife-beaters think that they too, have communicated with a well-placed backhand. Communication takes place where both parties are eager to understand and on the same level, not when one acquiesces out of fear.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5141670 - 01/04/06 11:51 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Here are the facts as I see them, although I suspect that you will somehow twist this so it is about you again.

Fact: This thread is about Cervantes banning...not yours.
Fact: Cervantes was warned by the Administration, and he chose to ignore the warnings...hence his banning.
Fact: The Shroomery is a privately owned site not a Democracy.
Fact: It is written in plain English that the Administration reserves the right to Ban anyone at anytime for any reason
Fact: If you have a Problem with the way the Shroomery is run, then you can take your case to an Admin.
Fact: Once an Administrative action is taken, you need to accept it or post elsewhere...it is not open for debate after the fact.
Fact: I am Egotistical, Heavy Handed and Straight forward.
Fact: A well placed back hand is often necessary when one does not listen to logic.
Fact: You are the only one that doesn't seem to get it.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5141715 - 01/05/06 12:02 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Cerv should just make a puppet and come back. It doesn't seem as if anyone cares when banned users do this.

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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5141740 - 01/05/06 12:08 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Fact: Cervantes was warned by the Administration, and he chose to ignore the warnings...hence his banning.

Fact: Heeded warnings may result in a banning so what is the point of having any procedure whatsoever? The hence part is superfluous.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5141797 - 01/05/06 12:22 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Fact: This thread is about Cervantes banning...not yours.

Fact: Almost every single S&P thread drifts from it's title into side issues, so why pretend this one is against policy? I can only hypothesize...  :rolleyes:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5141957 - 01/05/06 01:04 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Fact: That was a very weak response...which shows that when faced with undeniable facts (even if you don't like them) your argument has no merit and you have now resorted to arguing about semantics.
You lost...get over it.

Case closed and so should this thread be...


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Rono]
    #5142402 - 01/05/06 08:54 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Could you guys wait to close it until it has 253 posts. That's kind of a magic number for me and would mean a lot to an aging warrior wannabe.

But really I'm tired of this myself. I think we can see where things really stand and to continue on is a exercise in futility. My suggestion is that we all continue about our business safe in the knowledge that the other guy is the scum of the earth. :grin: :heart: I personally think this could all be resolved by all concerned parties either taking two hits of good quality Ecstasy together or all parties taking at least 6 grams of good mushrooms or at least 600 mcg. of Acid. Much could be accomplished in this way that talking/arguing will not.

I agree to disagree and move into the black hole of the future. Good bye Cervantes. :heart: :mushroom2: I suggest reinventing yourself. :wink:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5142511 - 01/05/06 09:40 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I personally think this could all be resolved by all concerned parties either taking two hits of good quality Ecstasy together or all parties taking at least 6 grams of good mushrooms or at least 600 mcg. of Acid.

With the disjointed and contradictory arguments presented by The Staff, I assumed they were already tripping...  :mushroom2:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5142520 - 01/05/06 09:44 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

That is a disparaging remark on psychedelics and I resent it. :frown:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5142525 - 01/05/06 09:46 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

And I'm serious. It would do everyone some good I think to take a trip and then see what all this shite looks like.


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Swami]
    #5144903 - 01/05/06 09:27 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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The same way that Maia answered my questions earlier?

The same way that Cervantes' questions were answered?




Lack of patience just exposes your self-centered arguments. The fact is, the same thing happened to Cervantes.

MAIA


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: MAIA]
    #5144911 - 01/05/06 09:29 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

:tongue:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: Icelander]
    #5144963 - 01/05/06 09:45 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

248......... :wink:


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Re: My guess is no one really cares [Re: VirgilKane]
    #5144969 - 01/05/06 09:48 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Magic number is around the corner. All we have to do is to get Swami to make a post that gets the thread shut down on that number. I'm sure he'd be willing if we asked nicely.


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