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Re: *** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor *** + Lemon Juice = 10X Effects?? [Re: infinitedot]
    #5057234 - 12/13/05 02:34 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: *** Gummiberry juice experiment: Black Currant Juice + Lemon Juice = 10X Potency!! *** [Re: DenverMax]
    #5065732 - 12/15/05 05:17 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

i will test frozen bc berries as ayahuasca analoug to find out its maoi potensial. how much berries is suggested for full mao inhabitation? i will use mhrb as dmt analoug. while mushroom (with or without lemon) will have effect, mhrb will not if not a maoi is present, agreed?


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Re: *** Gummiberry juice experiment: Black Currant Juice + Lemon Juice = 10X Potency!! *** [Re: shamantra]
    #5067482 - 12/15/05 04:45 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

mindzpore and incubaby - pure juice from fresh berries is going to preserve the nutrients, concentration is an industrial process, though the original content should be there, only in a different concentration, obviously.

shamantra: I don't know how mhrb precisely works, sorry.

The abstract of the patent reads:
http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?IDX=EP0531155

"The use of an effective monoamine oxidase-inhibitory amount or portion of black currant juice (Ribes nigrum L.) or concentrate or dry extract thereof to activate the brain and central nervous system, in a living animal, especially a human being, in need thereof, and thereby to increase the general cerebral performance, especially in healthy and elderly people, and for the prevention, treatment, and alleviation of neurodegenerative diseases associated with reduced cerebral performance, such as Parkinson's disease, dementia, and mood disorders."

"it was demonstrated that black currant juice and concentrates and dry extracts thereof are characterized by MAO-inhibiting and cerebro-activating effects. According to these properties, black currant juice has the characteristic of enhancing cerebral performance in healthy and elderly people, and in patients suffering from neurodegenerative diseases, especially since it is believed that MAO-B inhibitors can halt the progression of such diseases, e.g., Parkinson's disease, for example, by preventing further degeneration of dopaminergic neurons.For details, inter alia, see SCRIP, May 1989, "Recent Trends in Research and the Treatment of Parkinson's Disease" by Professor William Armstrong (PJB Publications Ltd), cover sheet plus pages 58-61 and 63-67, in support of this relationship and the nexus between MAO-B inhibitory activity of a compound and its utility in the alleviation of neurodegenerative diseases associated with reduced cerebral performance."

"The diluent or carrier may be adapted for the particular type of composition, which may, for example, be a tablet, a coated tablet, a syrup, a tonic, or a drink mix.The amount of black currant juice, concentrate, or dry extract present or employed is conveniently between 10 mg and 10 g per unit dosage form, preferably between 100 mg and 5 g per unit dosage form, and the black currant juice, concentrate, or dry extract is conveniently administered in an amount between 100 mg and 50 g per day, preferably in an amount between 100 mg and 50 g per day, preferably between 1 and 20 grams per day. The black currant juice is advantageously present in the form of an at least 2-fold concentrate thereof, preferably a 4-fold to 8-fold concentrate thereof, and most especially an approximately 5.5-fold concentrate thereof, or in the form of a dry extract thereof."

Result in humans:

MAO type B activity is inhibited in all three subjects with dependency upon dosage and time.

Maximum inhibition is obtained 60 minutes after application, and is between 70 and 90% at optimum dosage of 20 grams. This result was confirmed by 92% inhibition in the controlled test as specified under Test 5, using 50 g juice concentrate.

"The juice of black currant according to the invention can be used as such but is preferably employed in the form of an aqueous concentrate thereof. Any concentration is advantageous, and a concentration of at least twofold, preferably between about fourfold and eightfold, is preferred, with a concentration of about 5.5 fold being especially convenient and preferred. Also preferred is an extract, i.e., a dry extract thereof, such as is readily obtained by lyophilization, spray drying, or forcing the juice under pressure through a cannula, syringe, or venturi. By addition of suitable diluents to the juice, concentrate, or to the dry extract, readily-flowable fluids are obtained."

Quantities in the patent that confirmed the MAOI effect range from 20-50 gr of 5.5 concentrate = 110-275 gr. of pure juice. That's the amount to drink.


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Re: *** Gummiberry juice experiment: Black Currant Juice + Lemon Juice = 10X Potency!! *** [Re: infinitedot]
    #5067701 - 12/15/05 05:31 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

i will make juice from 500g berries to be sure. mhrb (mimosa hostilis rootbark) contains dmt and is only orally active together with a maoi.


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Re: *** Gummiberry juice experiment: Black Currant Juice + Lemon Juice = 10X Potency!! *** [Re: shamantra]
    #5068089 - 12/15/05 07:08 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

i dont beleive i can get fresh berries, i lookes and looked and im hoping tops still has some or got more becuase there was only one bottle left after i bought mine,
i plan on juice, the same as before, it is looking like next weekend though becuase my gf wants to eat the l this weekend, and ive been itching to anyways, i am going to look at a health food store in a nearby town this weekend to see if they have any other sorts of juice that are a higher percentage, as always, i will be sure to keep you posted


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Re: *** Gummiberry juice experiment: Black Currant Juice + Lemon Juice = 10X Potency!! *** [Re: incubaby_421]
    #5070142 - 12/16/05 07:09 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

500g berries did not do much for dmt. i drank 22g mhrb and couldnt get other effects than gas in my stomach. my standard dose is 3g rue and 20g mhrb.


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Re: *** Gummiberry juice experiment: Black Currant Juice + Lemon Juice = 10X Potency!! *** [Re: shamantra]
    #5072391 - 12/16/05 06:46 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

what would a cup of undiluted black currant juice do in conjunction with some salvia 20X?

i just happen to have both


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Re: *** Gummiberry juice experiment: Black Currant Juice + Lemon Juice = 10X Potency!! *** [Re: Mitchnast]
    #5072603 - 12/16/05 07:36 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

hrm....
give it a shot and let us know!
you are now a scientist!


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Re: *** Gummiberry juice experiment: Black Currant Juice + Lemon Juice = 10X Potency!! *** [Re: Mitchnast]
    #5072764 - 12/16/05 08:14 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think salvia works on the same parts of the brain.


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Re: *** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor *** + Lemon Juice = 10X Effects?? [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #5072836 - 12/16/05 08:38 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

you know, when it comes to tryptamines, stronger isnt always better.


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Re: *** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor *** + Lemon Juice = 10X Effects?? [Re: yousuck]
    #5078208 - 12/18/05 03:24 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

well i have never had an MAO-I or Salvia before so i had no baseline president. but i did it last night.
i drank 2 full glasses of black currant juice and loaded a bowl with 1/16g or so of 20X a few hours later.

i took a match and took a regular hit, a lungfull, and held it in. i counted to 15.

instantly my eyes became strange to the information they perceived. i thought, "OK, this is it." and that thought echoed OVER AND OVER. it just kept rolling through my head like a flipping wheel of fortune, klickaty klickaty klickaty. "this is it this is it this is it." morphed into "of shit oh shit oh shit" ding ding ding ding ding. and the imagery of the house as i came in was like an old-style projector. a high yet dicernable framerate, no body, just a virtual reality filmstip of what lie before me, i went straight to the sink. somehow, water was needed. i realized i still had my pipe in my hand, but i could not figure out what to do with it so i ditched it on the windowsill over the sink. in the darkness i fumbled around for the faucet, but i kept grabbing air. then i remembered the faucet was a lever and began I chugging water.
my mind felt like poprocks in my mouth, popping at a regular interval, ticka ticka ticka ticka.
then i floated back into the inner sanctum of the house. and sat before the computer to ride it out and make reference to the experience. my body was gone, i was just my eyes, and i wondered if what i was seeing was real, because i couldnt immagine how i was managing to mindfully controll my actions given the curcumstances
the YV was playing king of the hill, it was the episode where they were having a hotdog eating contest, and the cheers of the croud and feeling was directly related to my attempts to use a keyboard. like the characters were cheering me on but laughing when i messed up.
gradually the ticking became less noticable and i just felt bizare about the whole thing, though completely normal.

quite cool, ill have to try a larger dose with a sitter soon.


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Re: *** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor *** + Lemon Juice = 10X Effects?? [Re: Mitchnast]
    #5087866 - 12/21/05 01:05 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Whew! there's a LOT of repeated info in here...

I believe the experiment shamantra tried would be a good indication of potential MAOI. MAO must be nearly completely inhibited for oral DMT to work. The only thing I'd add would be more at the same 20g~ dose of mhrb. (kinda a waste if you have a proven MAOI, but if you have enough for science... go for it. )

I have noticed a difference with lemon/grapefruit juice mixed with fresh shrooms and slugged, but getting BC juice here isn't happening without internet ordering and paying for shipping. :thumbdown:

I will try the St johns wort with grapefruit/lemon in the next few days.


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Re: *** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor *** + Lemon Juice = 10X Effects?? [Re: mediman0078]
    #5091736 - 12/22/05 12:24 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I've tried CurrantC Black Currant nectar as well as ribena and 2 other imported ones and CurrantC is by far ahead of the pack. For one it has the highest amount of BC juice-37% (Ribena was less than 10%). It's a bit pricey at $3.99US per 16 oz but at that concentrate is really cheaper than the others (and incidently, it tastes much better).
The really good news-
A few asked questions from CurrantC.com has revelled that they sell and ship through the mail and while they normally charge for postage and handeling, they have a "holiday special" where they will ship the juice for free through January 1st.
Lastly, they sell frozen Black Currants from their farm in 2lb packages for $6.00.


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Re: *** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor *** + Lemon Juice = 10X Effects?? [Re: Blackcap]
    #5097866 - 12/23/05 03:14 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

lol, thats great, i wonder if they have caught on....


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Re: *** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor *** + Lemon Juice = 10X Effects?? [Re: incubaby_421]
    #5101069 - 12/24/05 10:50 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Well, I tried the St.Johns wort with about 40 grams of fresh shroomies yesterday. I took 900 mg of SJW concentrate (to produce mild MAOI) 1 hour prior to slugging a slurry of lemon juice (break down things to psilocin), grapefruitjuice (to inhibit cp450 in the liver), and the shrooms.

It was a pretty hard trip, but not significantly stronger than you'd normally get from 40 grams fresh. I definently enjoyed taking the shrooms in the grapefruitjuice though... couldn't really taste 'em (which is great 'cause I think they taste like sucking on Athlete's Foot covered toes). I just had to leave the blender going for a bit to make sure all the chunks were chopped up real fine. Visually, I had a stronger "wiggling" of everything in my sight but no mind blowing morphing of things into other things. Thought wise the trip was fairly normal. The body high definently seems stronger this way. The trip did seem to last longer than normal also, probably by about 2 hours.

All in all, a sucessful experiment, but nothing super mind blowing. I'll order some of that CurrantC after Christmas and we'll see what the deal is with it. :laugh:


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Re: *** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor *** + Lemon Juice = 10X Effects?? [Re: Mitchnast]
    #5121579 - 12/30/05 10:58 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Mitchnast said:
well i have never had an MAO-I or Salvia before so i had no baseline president. but i did it last night.
i drank 2 full glasses of black currant juice and loaded a bowl with 1/16g or so of 20X a few hours later.





This doesn't make sense. MAO-I's work in the stomach, right? How could it have any effect on the Salvia-intake which doesn't go through there??


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Re: Gummihuasca experiment - Black Currant Juice to increase mushroom effects - Please contribute [Re: infinitedot]
    #5128210 - 01/01/06 08:12 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, I just tried this experiment following the procedure close as possible, without the results that I've read here about. Definetly not 8 or 10x, maybe .5x booster.

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Black Currant Juice brand: 'Looza' Blackcurrant nectar
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retailer: Michael's Organic Market
30% juice, Drank a liter each with 2 other trippers (833.3mL is the dose with 30%).



*the one in middle*

Juice Quantity: 1L
Mushrooms species: Psilocybe Cubensis
Mushrooms Quantity: 1.6 gr. dry
Did you know the potency of the mushrooms beforehand? (Y/N): Yes, potent stuff.
Hours since last meal: 7 h.
Description of effects compared vs. no juice: I could tell the difference between that and just the 'lemon juiced' trip, but not much trip amplitude difference.
Description of effects compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice: See above.
Are you positively sure that there IS definitely an improvement in potency? (Y/N): Barely.
Estimated potency compared vs. no juice: ~ .5x
Estimated potency compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice: ^^
Time to "first alert" (aka, "whoa, something's definitely going to happen"): 15 mins. Kicked in in a snap. Me, and two other trippers doing the same thing as me tripped hardest during the first hour. So we peaked right away, and then went on on a downward slope of 'shroomage'. Haha.
Time to onset of visual disturbance: 15 mins.
Time to peak (rough estimate): ~ 25 minutes.
Time to first sign of diminishing effects: Hard to tell, maybe 5 hours in?
Time to baseline (indiscernable effects): 7 hours, but I was at an EDM party, and the music always keeps me going.


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I dont know why this didnt work as well as everyone else said it did. I didnt eat a thing all day, and neither did the other 2 trippers. Definetly tripped harder than Lemon/Lime trip, but not that big of a difference.


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Re: Gummihuasca experiment - Black Currant Juice to increase mushroom effects - Please contribute [Re: Fospher]
    #5128611 - 01/01/06 03:06 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

hey guys i should have posted this a while back when it happened but one night i had about 1.5 grams of shrooms. so i took a double shot glass and took lemon and lime juice filled the double shot glass up and gounded a gram for me in one glass and a .5 for my girl but after a while she didnt wanna take it after i took mine so i waited 15 minutes to make sure she didnt want it well, then after another 10 minutes i decided to take it why waste it.. well, all i know is that must have been a bad idea cause the peak i had was intense i got freaked out my hearing kept coming and going and my vision got bright i mean kinda tunnel vision then when this happening to me breathing felt really unnormal to me .. i was freaked especially since my internet was down and i couldnt access the shroomery. i almost called a buddy of mine that shrooms to help me out by calming me. and i didnt wanna wake me girl up cause she would have either freaked or blew it off as if i was just tripping. so i told myself i gotta get this outta me. but then after what seemed like 2 hours it was gone and then like nothing happened it all went away just slight traces


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Re: *** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor *** + Lemon Juice = 10X Effects?? [Re: tony8404]
    #5130462 - 01/02/06 06:58 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Ehhh, so how much Rebina am i supposed to drink? I got one 22% juice, so that means i need to drink WHOLE BOTTLE !!!!!!

Better to get some fresh berries and squash those into 225g


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Re: *** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor *** + Lemon Juice = 10X Effects?? [Re: Jalruza]
    #5130466 - 01/02/06 07:04 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I found a better use for Gammie bear juce, mix it with beer baby :smile:


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