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caapi vs rue (good reading)
    #5125765 - 12/31/05 11:30 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)



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We had two bags of grass... pellets of mescaline... five sheets of high-powered blotter acid... a salt shaker half-full of cocaine... a whole galaxy of multicolored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers.     
Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer...     
- a pint of raw ether...
- Shit !     
two dozen amyls.     
Not that we needed all that for the trip... but once you get locked into a serious drug collection... the tendency is to push it as far as you can.


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Re: caapi vs rue (good reading) [Re: Bkultra]
    #5126097 - 12/31/05 01:28 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

That was a good thread... I wish the site was organized as well as this one right here, but it's where I got the majority of my knowledge before my first dream.

For those that aren't experienced with the aya experience I think this comment does a good job at getting the gist of it:
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The drowsiness sometimes has to be worked through/against before the zing can cut through. It's like being in a waiting room sometimes, but you really have to work hard to break out. Try doing plenty of vocalising just as you start feeling you'd rather go to sleep. Long low humming is very good for raising vibrations, and I find it gets easier. louder and more emotional the more you do it.

Listen to your body and apply acupressure firmly to any tight spots. I find tapping around the face and eyes can help open the meridians up. The drowsiness is there because the medicine is still trying to get through our closed/blocked nervous systems. Also I feel experienced dreamers need less and less caapi to activate the energies, where higher doses are unnecessary and do lead to this sort of excessive drowsiness. I often wonder whether the purge is necessary to offload this excess, and always feel awake again and very light after purging, even if then I have to drink more to go further.

It's a strange art this ayahuasca drinking. My last experience I was shown how to combine different energies so that the plant was only one source of power. Others were the earth and star/cosmic energy. Once you've made contact with these the experience can intensify a lot as your blending together different energies, physical and etheric, to create resonance. Often without this process the plant energies are not strong enough by themselves to do all the work, which is why people get frustrated and ask 'why isn't this working'? But you wouldn't drink coffee and go sit down in a darkened room expecting 'something' would you? You'd probably do other things, write stuff down, have an agenda, go to work, concentrate on a problem. The plants will teach you lots and manifest themselves clearly at the start of the path, if they want to work with you, but then I've found it's the case that they hand over the process to you and say, look if you want it you come and get it. We're here but we're not just going to put on a show when you put us inside. We want YOU to come up here - find a way.

Sorry for veering off topic from the immediate discussion, but my view is that there is no single active ingredient (DMT/MAOI), the most active ingredient is the self, the ability of the self to tune in and listen to what the plant spirit is saying. There is no DMT/MAOI divide; ayahuasca is the sumtotal of the two plants plus the person that drinks them, a whole molecular orchestra in fact. I concur with some others that without admixture (DMT-containing plants) the anti-depressant effect is not really noticeable. But also without intent very little is noticeable in most average strength brews.

Happy dreaming,

ShamanMAOI.




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