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 josh666
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 Coco Coir casing tek? 
#512493 - 01/06/02 07:42 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm using verm/brf cakes and have recently purchased 6 bricks of coco coir. I can't seem to find a tek for casing w/this. Anyone that has used this stuff w/success plz give me info. and let me know how to case with this stuff. I also need to know stuff about sterilization and and how much to cut off a brick for a casing. I don't know how far this stuff will go, but i do know it will expand once it gets wet. So, plz, someone give me a tek!
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 Re: Coco Coir casing tek? [Re: josh666]
#512504 - 01/06/02 07:51 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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1) Soak whatever amount of brick ya need in distilled water. Remove and place in a clean object which will fit in a PC (lid not required).
2) Sterilize using PC. (Its more or less a precaution, do it for however long makes ya confident/happy, 30 minutes is more then enough.) Let PC cool.
3) Wash ya hands. Remove coir from PC.
4) Get empty clean bowl.
5) Take clumps of coir in your hand and squeeze over sink until it feels moist and not damp. (When squeezed it should release a few drops of water, this is the right consistency)
Make sure your coir is the right consistency, this is most important step next to sterility!!
Too wet=BAD
Too Dry=You can fix
6) Do this until ya finished transferring all your coir to the bowl.
7) Use coir to case as you would verm.
Hope that helped.
Anyone has any amendmants to make feel free, I wrote this up real fast and may have forgotten a few things.
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 Re: Coco Coir casing tek? [Re: josh666]
#512509 - 01/06/02 07:52 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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try searching the archives. i just looked that up and found good info there. but due to short term memory loss i dontremember much sorry but it is there.
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#512517 - 01/06/02 07:58 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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 ar393
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Re: Coco Coir casing tek? [Re: Anonymous]
#513182 - 01/07/02 12:36 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Myco, depending on the brand and the way it was shipped/stored, sterilization maybe needed.
as a ball park, a standard brick should yeild about 450 cubic inches of coir. time for you to do the math to see about how much of the brick you need.
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Re: Coco Coir casing tek? [Re: ar393]
#513194 - 01/07/02 12:48 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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where might someone find a brick of this coco coir?
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ar393
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Re: Coco Coir casing tek? [Re: pleezr]
#513285 - 01/07/02 02:10 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just do a search on the web for it, plenty of places online sell it.
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#513388 - 01/07/02 03:33 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Coco Coir casing tek? [Re: Anonymous]
#513406 - 01/07/02 03:45 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is "Forrest Bed" (the stuff in pet stores- reptile bedding) the same stuff?
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Re: Coco Coir casing tek? [Re: TheCaptain]
#513491 - 01/07/02 05:10 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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I hope so...I got three bricks of it
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Re: Coco Coir casing tek? [Re: TheCaptain]
#513492 - 01/07/02 05:11 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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McMan, you know that I have the most respect for you, but when my cat received her coir, it was in compressed brick form but it was shipped in styrofoam peanuts, in a ripped cardboard box and the bricks of coir were not wrapped in anything , and the box of course was not sterile, and i doubt the UPS truck they came in was sterile. To test the ability of the coir My cat did two casings of the outer two layers, (top and bottom of the brick) the non PCed one contammed, the other didn't. and to be on the safe side i have PCed them for my cat. But on your word I will do further testing for my cat.
And I remember quite well when you did introduce coir to the shroomery, I have been here quite a long time as well :) I was blown away by the pics of the coir you had posted from 'the cultivator' when they first came on here :)
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Re: Coco Coir casing tek? [Re: ar393]
#513496 - 01/07/02 05:18 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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As posted in my original response in this thread.
Sterilization of coir is merely a precaution, not a necessity. I have never had a casings contam before 3rd flush using my method.
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Re: Coco Coir casing tek? [Re: Trail_Blazer]
#513503 - 01/07/02 05:28 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was at wally world yesterday, just bored and checking out ingredients on soil and stuff. I found some stuff, can't remember what it was, most likely some sort of potting soil. But it had peat moss in it and verm and it had coco husk fiber, only it was called something else that had the name coir after it. Anybody ever heard of this stuff and wouldn't it be great for a casing?
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#513504 - 01/07/02 05:29 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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ar393
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Re: Coco Coir casing tek? [Re: Anonymous]
#514155 - 01/08/02 08:19 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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same chamber, 2 quarts rye used for each, spawned from the same master rye....
but I will have my cat do more testing...
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 Re: Coco Coir casing tek? [Re: josh666]
#514171 - 01/08/02 08:43 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Regardless of what anyone says, AFOAF always microwaves thier coir for 10 minutes and lets cool in the microwave in a ziplock container or bag because... It gives you peace of mind and the chances of something dumb like cobweb mold or trich getting a hold are much less .. but that's just one person's opinion ... do whatever makes you feel comfortable weather it be pc'ing or nuking but I'm sure they would never go with just adding water and then casing.
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Re: Coco Coir casing tek? [Re: SumGuy]
#514225 - 01/08/02 10:01 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gardens Alive! has a seed starting mix which is coir based with some excellent nutritive additive that does a fine job. A nice plus is you don't have to mess with breaking those pain in the ass bricks. Buffer with coarse and fine limestone and some oyster shell.
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Re: Coco Coir casing tek? [Re: hermes3]
#514274 - 01/08/02 11:16 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ithought a casing layer isn't supposed to have nutrients?
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Post deleted by Anno [Re: SumGuy]
#514299 - 01/08/02 11:39 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Coco Coir casing tek? [Re: Anonymous]
#514531 - 01/08/02 03:20 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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can you sum up the saran wrap tek or any other info regarding synthetic casin layers? it won't let me view that link 'cause i've not registered, and it says the mod has turned off registrations.
thanks!
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josh666
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Re: Coco Coir casing tek? [Re: bizarro]
#514575 - 01/08/02 04:09 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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I had the same problem.....fill us in plz!
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hermes3
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Re: Coco Coir casing tek? [Re: SumGuy]
#515189 - 01/09/02 07:41 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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True, the purpose of the casing layer is not to feed the mushrooms but to create a suitable microclimate and environment for the growth of mushrooms. But it appears as the mycelium spreads through the casing some exchange is taking place. An example might be using composted dung as your substrate where no casing layer is needed . As for contaminants after pasteurization of any casing your contaminants are usually externally intoduced or lying dormant in your substrate. Anyway, I like the Gardens Alive! coir product because it is already finely sifted and ready for use. After years of picking sticks out of peat it seemed a nice option.
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Re: Coco Coir casing tek? [Re: Anonymous]
#569774 - 03/04/02 04:45 PM (23 years, 28 days ago) |
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Mycotek, can you explain the saran wrap tek in the forum or post a new link because the link you gave is dead...?
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