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OfflineDeviate
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Re: Shrooms & Entity Contact [Re: Swami]
    #5123878 - 12/31/05 03:22 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

yes, its present there


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Re: Shrooms & Entity Contact [Re: buckwheat]
    #5124546 - 12/31/05 07:20 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

mindcandy said:
did i miss something.

did someone hack into Swamis account?




There's something fishy afoot.


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Re: Shrooms & Entity Contact [Re: MOTH]
    #5125257 - 12/31/05 02:15 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

It's a little late for me to be up, but I feel like writing a little before I go to sleep.



Quote:

EllemyshShade said:

Because of this viewpoint that everything originates from inside me, I don't see much of a difference between extradimensional beings and myself.






Here's my 'stance for now' on that....

If you look at it a little differently, a limiting problem can transform into something else.

You can't just use your ego and see things get smaller as you perceptually think things get smaller when they go into you.
It could certainly, however, be useful to have your ego do that to consider a point.



Currently, from here, the vantage is perceived as: infinity at a point.


The 'taking off the sweater' analogy.

[It might be an illustration of something as little as just one proportional step up in scale from here.]


If you do that from here... the smaller becomes bigger.
And once you do it, and you look out into the bigger, you notice that what you once thought was not contained, no longer seems to be expanding into what you now think is infinity.


[So... supposing that everyone can look into infinity by focusing on a point...]


If it could be accepted that everyone had, and shared in a relative manner, a very similar 'outlooking' vantage, and by noting that in this present vantage, we occupy our own allocated individual volumetric placement, we would have to all 'stand at the edge' at our own personal spot, while looking inwards as outwards towards the same thing at a different location situated on the 'circle's perceived (or, perhaps not possibly perceived) circumferential perimeter'.

I say circle because I'm assuming that 'a point can somehow reach close to some kind of a circular -circular for convenience purposes- hole'... A hole we all share.



Once you are in the 'bigger', the smaller seems contained in what you thought, previously, was infinity.

While looking towards the smaller, from this new vantage, you can, again, get to a point- where inside that point, you recall, that, once thought you 'perceived' an infinity.

That means, the containment that you now make note of, includes so much that it surpasses the furthest initial physical stretch that you have ever fully consciously attempted...


[The potential to now learn both ways, towards new bigger and towards a semi-new smaller vantage, are evident... Just as they so familiarly, yet, unfamiliarly once were before.]



This can imply an interesting meaning: that from this new 'larger-scale' vantage, supposing that perhaps even everyone shares a kind of 'in synch' vantage towards the small, we can even be sharing our physical bodies with one another in more intricate manners than we can observe.



This becomes "Two-Table" Analogy.

'Getting from one table to the next' involves interconnectedness principles, where, we can all be one, if you agree that we are all individuals in the end.

It's ok to be afraid and not completely step out onto the other table... No one is rushing nor forcing anyone to do so.

Death in the form of murder or suicide is not on the agenda.


[But real accidents do happen..]



From the vantage of each table, you are an individual.

If they [the two tables] co-exist, if even in a non or semi-observed potential format, and the vantage from both tables is valid, then you relatively exist on both tables at the same time.


And if individuals, like us and the beings in our current environment, can interact with one another on one table, and if there exists a kind of proportional symmetry between tables, then it might be possible to interact with others while considering the other table as well.





If now you look out towards the sky and think:" Wow...It's so huge 'out there'... How can we possibly be alone?"; and if you consider that if you look inside, you certainly can be looking towards another, even bigger outside, then, by looking inside, you can easily be made to wonder...





How can it possibly be, that I am alone?












This may not be an easy vantage to understand in all detail, but I can visualize it like this quite clearly.


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Re: Shrooms & Entity Contact [Re: ELECTRIC]
    #5125281 - 12/31/05 02:51 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

ELECTRIC said:
It's a little late for me to be up, but I feel like writing a little before I go to sleep.



Quote:

EllemyshShade said:

Because of this viewpoint that everything originates from inside me, I don't see much of a difference between extradimensional beings and myself.






Here's my 'stance for now' on that....

If you look at it a little differently, a limiting problem can transform into something else.

You can't just use your ego and see things get smaller as you perceptually think things get smaller when  they go into you.
It could certainly, however, be useful to have your ego do that to consider a point.



Currently, from here, the vantage is perceived as: infinity at a point.


The 'taking off the sweater' analogy.

[It might be an illustration of something as little as just one proportional step up in scale from here.]


If you do that from here...  the smaller becomes bigger.
And once you do it, and you look out into the bigger, you notice that what you once thought was not contained, no longer seems to be expanding into what you now think is infinity.


[So... supposing that everyone can look into infinity by focusing on a point...]


If it could be accepted that everyone had, and shared in a relative manner, a very similar 'outlooking' vantage, and by noting that in  this present vantage, we occupy our own allocated individual volumetric placement, we would have to all 'stand at the edge' at our own personal spot, while looking inwards as outwards towards the same thing at a different location situated on the 'circle's perceived (or, perhaps not possibly perceived) circumferential perimeter'.

I say circle because I'm assuming that 'a point can somehow reach close to some kind of a circular -circular for convenience purposes- hole'...  A hole we all share.



Once you are in the 'bigger', the smaller seems contained in what you thought, previously, was infinity.

While looking towards the smaller, from this new vantage, you can, again, get to a point-  where inside that point,  you recall, that, once thought you 'perceived' an infinity.

That means, the containment that you now make note of, includes so much that it surpasses the furthest initial physical stretch that you have ever fully consciously attempted...


[The potential to now learn both ways, towards new bigger and towards a semi-new smaller vantage, are evident...  Just as they so familiarly, yet, unfamiliarly once were before.]



This can imply an interesting meaning: that from this new 'larger-scale' vantage, supposing that perhaps even everyone shares a kind of  'in synch' vantage towards the small, we can even be sharing our physical bodies with one another in more intricate manners than we can observe.



This becomes "Two-Table" Analogy.

'Getting from one table to the next' involves interconnectedness principles, where, we can all be one, if you agree that we are all individuals in the end.

It's ok to be afraid and not completely step out onto the other table...  No one is rushing nor forcing anyone to do so. 

Death in the form of murder or suicide is not on the agenda.


[But real accidents do happen..]



From the vantage of each table, you are an individual.

If they [the two tables] co-exist, if even in a non or semi-observed potential format, and the vantage from both tables is valid, then you relatively exist on both tables at the same time.


And if individuals, like us and the beings in our current environment, can interact with one another on one table, and if there exists a kind of proportional symmetry between tables,  then it might be possible to interact with others while considering  the other table as well.





If now you look out towards the sky and think:" Wow...It's so huge 'out there'...  How can we possibly be alone?"; and if you consider that if you look inside, you certainly can be looking towards another, even bigger outside, then, by looking inside, you can easily be made to wonder...





How can it possibly be, that I am alone?












This may not be an easy vantage to understand in all detail, but I can visualize it like this quite clearly.





:confused:


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Re: Shrooms & Entity Contact [Re: dr0mni]
    #5125297 - 12/31/05 03:10 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

The only entity contact that I've ever had is decribed in detail in this post:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3905696#Post3905696

I can't fit Swami's criteria because I was not a skeptic of such phenomena, but was rather curious and eager for it. My paradigm was not changed dramatically because of it, but was effected somewhat. Also, like I said in the post, I think of these entities that I contacted more as archtypes from within my own psyche, especially in light of their names (Life, Sex, and Death), and not sentient beings existing independently of myself. Of course I believe that all sentient creatures are part of one single consciousness, and so I don't rule out the possibility that I was recieving a real divine message through means provided to me by my faculties of human-consciousness.

But I think that Dr. Strasseman (yep, we're bringing him up again... but you should've expected that in an entity contact thread) would fit Swami's criteria. He initially approached the "alien abduction" part of his research as a skeptic, and thought that DMT trips could give us a logical explaination for such experiences. As the research went on though, he became more startled at the consistency in the reports and began seriously wondering if the subjects weren't indeed travelling to another REAL dimension and communicating with real beings.

Now he speaks openly about the possibility of interdimensional entity contact while (like a good scientist) not insisting that this is indeed fact, but insisting that much more research needs to be done in order to understand the phenomena.


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Re: Shrooms & Entity Contact [Re: dr0mni]
    #5125304 - 12/31/05 03:15 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Do you truly believe that it CAN be understood and that more research will actually clarify what is going on? Is it any different than the failed attempts to try to understand dreams?


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Re: Shrooms & Entity Contact [Re: Swami]
    #5125365 - 12/31/05 04:20 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I think that there is a consitent pattern of phenomena and that those patterns should be analyzed and structured into a system so that more subtle patterns might be revealed. Even if such research doesn't clarify the objective existence of such phenomena it could at least contribute to our understanding of psychology and the range of possibilities of human experience.

Right now the data consists of subjective, anecdotal reports, and we have to accept that and work with what we've got. Hopefully in the future, with the development of neuro-digital interfaces, we might be able to better quantify conscious experience and see things that we couldn't see before.

It's all about indentifying patterns and relating them to other patterns. It can be done.


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