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Shrooms & Entity Contact
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Who here has 'converted' from being skeptical about aliens or interdimensional entities then competely changed their POV after an epic voyage?

I am not merely talking about seeing weird imagery, but a major paradigm shift.


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Re: Shrooms & Entity Contact [Re: Swami]
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I have had major paradigm shifts due to entheogens, but even though I have taken near ceiling doses of nearly every entheogen I have never contacted interdimensional entities. I have what you would consider rather superstitious notions about the nature of spirit, but I have never been contacted in the way that you suggest. I did have an OOBE while under the influence of about 800 - 1000 mcg of LSD, but I have mixed feelings about it's validity.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Shrooms & Entity Contact [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
Who here has 'converted' from being skeptical about aliens or interdimensional entities


I have never even had thoughts of that sort on any kind of entheogen.

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Re: Shrooms & Entity Contact [Re: it stars saddam]
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I have had amazing futuristic sci-fi type imagery that parallelled no movie I have ever seen.

I wonder where that comes from. Pure imagination or ...?


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Re: Shrooms & Entity Contact [Re: Swami]
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In one of my first mushroom experiences, I dosed higher than I had before (4 dried grams cubensis). The trip started out very fast, and I felt the presence of some being. It seemed benign at first, but since it was such an unprecedented experience, I reacted with fear towards it, and spent a good 4 hours writhing in existential and physical agony on the floor as its tentacles coursed throughout my veins and my body. It was torture, and left me with PTSD for a few years afterwards, and I'm still recovering from it.

I have been very hesitant to eat mushrooms after that. I'm ambivalent as to whether or not it was an interdimensional being. I have a feeling it might have been, but if it was the implications are staggering.

It might have been some Jungian figure too, however. Some archetype or psychic phenomenon.

That experience didn't really change me from skeptic to hard-core believer. I'm still a skeptic, but I have a slightly more opened mind towards these happenings.


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: Shrooms & Entity Contact [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
I have had amazing futuristic sci-fi type imagery that parallelled no movie I have ever seen.

I wonder where that comes from. Pure imagination or ...?


I would suggest three possibilities.

1. The psychedelic enhanced psychic capabilities, and your brain was able to connect many abstract ideas into one incredible vision which you interpreted as being of the future.

2. The psychedelic opened up some sort of temporal wormhole through which your minds eye was able to see images from an alternate universe or in fact humanities future.

3. It was a cool hallucination.

I suppose the rest is up to faith  :stoned:


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: Shrooms & Entity Contact [Re: dblaney]
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I once had mind-to-mind contact with "The Other", though it did not appear physically. It made the hills roll like giant surf and was quite terrifying when he spoke like the Wizard of Oz, but left no psychological residue like yours did.

To this day, I cannot say that it was not me talking to me.


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The proof is in the pudding.

Edited by Swami (12/30/05 04:58 PM)

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Re: Shrooms & Entity Contact [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
I have had major paradigm shifts due to entheogens, but even though I have taken near ceiling doses of nearly every entheogen I have never contacted interdimensional entities. I have what you would consider rather superstitious notions about the nature of spirit, but I have never been contacted in the way that you suggest. I did have an OOBE while under the influence of about 800 - 1000 mcg of LSD, but I have mixed feelings about it's validity.


i question if it necessary to take such high doses of psychedelics to produce OOBEs, ive had plenty of OOBEs on weed alone.

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Re: Shrooms & Entity Contact [Re: Swami]
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To this day, I cannot say that it was not me talking to me.

Yeah, that's another possibility I forgot to mention. It could have been my unconscious or subconscious spilling over to my consciousness.


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: Shrooms & Entity Contact [Re: dblaney]
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dblaney said:
4 hours writhing in existential and physical agony on the floor as its tentacles coursed throughout my veins and my body.


:rockon:

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Re: Shrooms & Entity Contact [Re: Swami]
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"To this day, I cannot say that it was not me talking to me."

Same deal on my oobe.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Shrooms & Entity Contact [Re: Deviate]
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"i question if it necessary to take such high doses of psychedelics to produce OOBEs"

I didn't say it was...I just like high doses of psychedelics...sue me.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Shrooms & Entity Contact [Re: Swami]
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Well, that's the thing, anything I encounter on shrooms (and sober) I know to be merely another facet of myself. This includes everything I encounter.

Because of this viewpoint that everything originates from inside me, I don't see much of a difference between extradimensional beings and myself.

As for "contact," I communicate with myself on an all-the-time basis. I personify aspects of myself as extradimensional beings because that way I can look at them as individuals and relate to them, working on internal issues they might represent. And yes, I have developed feelings for these "people" and have come to the idea that they may in fact exist. They are part of me, but they have taken on lives of their own.

So yes, I've created them, but they also seem independant from myself as well. They are their "own people." There is more, but I will leave it at that since I feel a little self-conscious now.

In short, I consider "interacting with entities" an adults game of the imagination. And I like playing games with my Self, so I enjoy spending time with my "people." And plus if you're me, there's not a big difference between what's real or imagined anyway. I've stopped caring about things like that awhile ago.

So yep...you might be talking to yourself if you "make contact" with an entity...but does it really matter?

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Re: Shrooms & Entity Contact [Re: Swami]
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did i miss something.

did someone hack into Swamis account?

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Re: Shrooms & Entity Contact [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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I just like high doses of psychedelics  :thumbup: :thumbup:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Shrooms & Entity Contact [Re: Swami]
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Very interesting! I have had friends whom I trust who claim to have had contact with an alien consciousness, while I have not.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (12/30/05 05:59 PM)

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Re: Shrooms & Entity Contact [Re: Icelander]
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ive had all kinds of strange experiences, i just don't know how to classify them or what to make of most of them. probably one of the more profound experiences i had was the experience of evil on shrooms. prior to that i didn't really recognize evil or ever think about it. now i feel like i have a much better understanding of what evil is.

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Re: Shrooms & Entity Contact [Re: Swami]
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I guess it's all in how you interpret the hallucinations. It's like the story of the guy who took 'shrooms, thought he climbed a mountain and talked to God, when in reality he climbed the roof and talked to the TV antenna......:tongue:

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Re: Shrooms & Entity Contact [Re: Le_Canard]
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I have found that making a definitive decision around a hallunication is too tricky. I let them be like dreams. I can guess at a meaning but I don't pretend to be sure.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Shrooms & Entity Contact [Re: Deviate]
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now i feel like i have a much better understanding of what evil is

Does it live in the White House?


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