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Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health
    #5120816 - 12/30/05 12:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

In the last few years I had begun to overcome some health issues. I quit a serious drinking problem 8 years ago, lost some unneeded weight (100 Lbs, but I am a big guy anyway 6'4"), and started exercising by walking 5 miles a day. In the last 6 months I had resumed some bad habits. While I did not resume my earlier level of drinking (5 case beer a week), I had started to drink and let the amount slowly creep up. I quit walking, and started to enjoy food a bit too much and gained a little weight (25 lbs). I started feeling lethargic and lazy...I felt that I had lost a lot af willpower by resuming some of my old habits...they seem to rob me of it. My spiritual commitment to myself had started to decline as well. So two weeks ago I started a rigorous exercise and weight lifting program I got from a book on bodybuilding called "Body for Life". The weight training still has me feeling somewhat sore in my arms and legs...but it is a good soreness. My muscles feel tighter, my energy is returning and I feel a renewed sense of purpose. It is slowly becoming apparent to me that one's physical condition has a lot of influence over ones spiritual state. While in poor health it is easy to let things slide...important things like personal integrity and one's day to day motivation. I now consider good health to be a prerequisite to spiritual well being. How do others feel about this?


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5120967 - 12/30/05 02:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

for me spiritual living entails listening to my body's sublte signals and what they tell me. this translates into a healthy lifestyle.


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Deviate]
    #5120982 - 12/30/05 02:23 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Thats how it is for me too. Your body and intuition will tell you what it needs. You just have to listen to it. That is a spiritual act in itself-listening. When we listen with full openness to hear and understand what we are hearing, we are as out of ego as we can get while awake. In the act of listening intently, awareness is heightened. Spirit is what's left doing the listening.

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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5120994 - 12/30/05 02:31 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I am a fairly skinny guy, but if you ever see me flex, I've got a bruce lee bodystructure. I always saw that my physical image was a prerequsite to my metaphysical.

Another fuel for my growth is deprivation. Food, entertainment, and excessive drugs/alcohol. In fact, I try to keep myself a little cold and a little hungry (not always sober though, I find occasional drug use to be an awesome catalyst) at all times - an impeccable condition - in which my creative fuel just surges through the veins.

Constant stretching, exercising is a prerequisite to raising your awareness and consciousness level. You're not going anywhere if you think playing video games with a bag of doritos and then going outside for 10 minutes will keep you in good physical/spiritual health.

I am a hypocrite for spending so much time behind the screen, however.

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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Fospher]
    #5121038 - 12/30/05 03:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

this is one of the most important things i've learned during my 20 years. lifting is key to spiritual health. doing some kind of cardio is also key.

of course, if you're extremely strong willed you can be mentally healthy without regular excersize, but why would you want to be?

i basically strive for health in all areas cuz i feel it's the way to do it


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: keefboy]
    #5121083 - 12/30/05 03:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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keefboy said:
lifting is key to spiritual health.




*muscle balance  :smirk:

Imagine a bodybuilder with huge pacs but that cant lift anything because he has a weak back.

Bruce Lee didnt knock guys out one inch away from him by benchlifting either.

Getting strong is all about balancing your body. If your entire body is in tune, your sense of balance is superb, you'll be nearly impossible to knock down because your entire body is working in sync to support you.

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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5121165 - 12/30/05 03:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

"Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health"

I just had this exact thought less then five seconds before clicking into this forum. 

Here I am sitting here in my bed in my pj's, stoned off a weed cookie from earlier, chugging down cool-aid squeeze-its and eating cheerio's out of the bag while browsing the Shroomery...not very healthy, is it?  In fact, I feel a little sick from all this cool-aid.  It's like gasoline to my brain and a sour syrup to my stomach. 

Nevermind the fact that I felt entitled to all of this because I worked a very long and tiring day yesterday. 

Anyway, I agree with you!  Whenever I am more health conscious (granted I did have lots of cantalope earlier ... +1) I feel better all around. 

Thanks for the reminder...  :smile:


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5121197 - 12/30/05 03:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5121612 - 12/30/05 11:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Right you are Hue. My shamanic friend told me at the beginning of our association that energy was the requirement for spiritual growth. If all ones energy was being used in survival,(hating work, struggles at home, no exercise, poor health habits etc.) there is no energy left for spiritual growth and stagnation or decay of the organism ensues. Pretty basic, but he had the habit of repeating things to me hundreds of times until I wanted to scream. His plan worked and it sunk in, and I remembered it and a dozen other things at the critical time. Keep it up Hue. You are getting ready to use all that energy, maybe on a psychedelic spiritual desert trek, fishing trip with me. :thumbup:


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5121639 - 12/30/05 11:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

until one is capable of seeing (directly)
one always sees through the veil of self
which is mostly comprised of the trails left by body sensations.

"how does one see (directly) in any state of health?" is a good question,
since not all are able to attain youth and vitality,
but all may be enlightened at any time.


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5121743 - 12/30/05 12:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

> I now consider good health to be a prerequisite to spiritual well being. How do others feel about this?

Nothing is set in stone... Mattie Stepanek (:heart:) is a classic example of somebody that was extremly enlightened, but very sick...

However, I agree with you, that for the most part, a healthy body, mind, and soul all three go hand in hand.

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FOR OUR WORLD
We need to stop.
Just stop.
Stop for a moment.
Before anybody
Says or does anything
That may hurt anyone else.
We need to be silent.
Just silent.
Heart Silent for a moment.
Before we forever lose
The blessing of songs
That grow in our hearts.
We need to notice.
Just notice.
Notice for a moment.
Before the future slips away
Into ashes and dust of humility.
Stop, be silent, and notice.
In so many ways, we are the same.
Our differences are unique treasures.
We have, we are, a mosaic of gifts
To nurture, to offer, to accept.
We need to be.
Just be.
Be for a moment.
Kind and gentle, innocent and trusting,
Like children and lambs,
Never judging or vengeful
Like the judging and vengeful.
And now, let us pray,
Differently, yet together,
Before there is no earth, no life,
No chance for peace.

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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Icelander]
    #5122434 - 12/30/05 02:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I am a firm believer in the philosophy of accumulating personal power just as you have described, but I occasionally slide into my old, unhealthy routines. Then it is time to pull myself up by my bootstraps, and step back on the path. I have found the key for my personal spiritual growth, but I am still undecided on how the physical aspect of this should be conducted. THIS TIME I have decided to go with weights and strenuous exercise combined with a moderate low fat/low sugar diet. While I have managed to maintain a relatively healthy lifestyle, my will power has still not hit the point that I wished when I set out on this path. I am hoping that a physically powerful physique will increase my energy level and initialize myself psychologically. In recent years I have become too comfortable with my path, and change has come ever slower. When one is in a state of misery spiritual growth is easy because it is natural to avoid misery, but when the misery has been overcome and one is comfortable it is hard to turn ones back on the comfort and continue up the mountain. Maybe this is where my path forks, and I experience discomfort in order to advance. I know that at this moment I am so damn sore from working out the last week that I am surely less than comfortable.


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Seuss]
    #5122447 - 12/30/05 02:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Seuss,

Thanks for sharing that For Our World poem. I enjoyed it.  :thumbup:

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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5122463 - 12/30/05 02:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I am sure you can whoop that puppy into shape.

get a nice platform from which to view the world and do your good work.

instead of "aquiring personal power", see it as unaquiring or releasing what was locked, and so helping the universe - nothing personal.


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5122611 - 12/30/05 03:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I prefer the traditional Native American concept of personal power, which is what Icelander described so precisely in his post. He follows a school of thought with similar origins to my own. I have used this as a model for personal change in the past with a high degree of success. I have been told that there are several types of shamanism, and my experience has shown me that there is some truth to this claim. Warrior-Shamanism is the personification of inanimate objects, emotions, animals, and feelings. The warrior-shaman believes in building defenses and accumulating power to combat enemies both physical and spiritual. It is aggressive and combative in nature. A warrior-shaman will heal by setting defenses and driving out evil spirits. Most Native American traditions are of this kind. It was/is typically practiced by warlike primitive societies around the globe. This is the philosophy of thought that I have been influenced by. There are other types that focus on healing through acceptance and unity, instead of separation and personification, such as the traditional Korean or Siberian shaman. Of course the Koreans recognize several other forms of shamanism within their tradition alone.


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5122658 - 12/30/05 03:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

in all the paths there are inner teachings of what is and outer teachings of there seems to be.
the outer teaching
suggests atavistic or dark conflict with external forces with magic that favors lucky or skillful shamans
the inner teaching
shows that the warrior watches the enemy within, and he can seem walk on water effortlessly.

in the outer teaching, lottery winners are great shamans


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5122667 - 12/30/05 03:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I can't speak for anybody else, but I think that physical health is an issue we all must face realistically. If you want a rich and growing mind, you'll need a rich and growing body too.

As you enhance the body, you enhance the mind. Discipline. As you apply new changes to yourself, you become a disciplined person.


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5122674 - 12/30/05 03:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

"in all the paths there are inner teachings of what is and outer teachings of there seems to be.
the outer teaching
suggests atavistic or dark conflict with external forces with magic that favors lucky or skillful shamans"

No, I do not look to be favored by luck...leave little to chance and assume nothing is my motto.

"the inner teaching
shows that the warrior watches the enemy within, and he can seem walk on water effortlessly."

The only true enemy is the self.


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: lysergicide]
    #5122682 - 12/30/05 03:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I agree totally, but I do see many people enhance the body, but forget about the mind....they miss the forest for the trees...


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Fospher]
    #5122731 - 12/30/05 03:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Fospher said:
Quote:

keefboy said:
lifting is key to spiritual health.




*muscle balance  :smirk:

Imagine a bodybuilder with huge pacs but that cant lift anything because he has a weak back.






well yes and no. ill agree that muscle balance is very important. once i targetted my weaker muscles (lower back) i increased overall strength 2x.

you mentioned that if you have muscle balance then you wont get knocked down, i.e. you will rarely lose a fight. however, there may be someone who is equally as balanced but has more mass. he is more likely to win the fight.

my point in saying lifting was key was not about gaining mass. there was a list of 100 benefits somewhere, and from personal experience i can say that most of them are true.

one of them is the mood lift. i NEVER walk out of the gym feeling worse then i did when i got there. even the rare days when i feel like shit and angry at the world i come out feeling like a champ.


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: keefboy]
    #5122743 - 12/30/05 04:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

"you mentioned that if you have muscle balance then you wont get knocked down, i.e. you will rarely lose a fight. however, there may be someone who is equally as balanced but has more mass. he is more likely to win the fight"

Keep in mind that there is also balence of body, mind and spirit as well...not just of the body. If one is out getting into fights, then there is an imbalence somewhere.


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: keefboy]
    #5122857 - 12/30/05 04:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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you mentioned that if you have muscle balance then you wont get knocked down, i.e. you will rarely lose a fight. however, there may be someone who is equally as balanced but has more mass. he is more likely to win the fight.






Balanced and toned. The one who has the better equivalent of both will most likely come out victorious.

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my point in saying lifting was key was not about gaining mass. there was a list of 100 benefits somewhere, and from personal experience i can say that most of them are true.






Im not saying that lifting is bad at all! I lift myself and take creatine daily.

Im saying that toning and balancing your muscles is more important than lifting dumbells.

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one of them is the mood lift. i NEVER walk out of the gym feeling worse then i did when i got there. even the rare days when i feel like shit and angry at the world i come out feeling like a champ.





Same with me and meditation, jogging in the forest, swimming, and the list goes on.

Rock on brudda, being huge has never been looked down upon. If authority wont respect you for the sake of it, let them respect you out of fear.


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5126739 - 12/31/05 06:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
Seuss,

Thanks for sharing that For Our World poem. I enjoyed it.  :thumbup:

:peace:  :heart:




You are very welcome.  I strive to become as pure at Mattie was... it is amazing that he wrote that when only a child.  His sickness was both is salvation and his downfall... if the rest of us could only gasp a tiny bit of his spirit, the world would be a much better place to live.


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5128646 - 01/01/06 03:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

*sigh*  I'm considering this thread as I consume far too many of Swami's delicious Christmas cookies.  :blush:

I was too thin until I had my first child, and then I returned to a healthy weight soon after & remained at the same weight until I was unhappily married.  Emotional eating habits put an extra 35 lbs on my body, and I could not get rid of them until I got divorced.  (Guess I actually lost 185 lbs, 150 lbs. of husband & 35 lbs. of me :grin:)

I've maintained my weight for nearly 3 years now, but can't seem to get motivated to exercise regularly.  I have a 40 hour a week desk job, and two kids to care for when I'm done working, but I know I could squeeze in some morning exercise if I pushed myself a little.

Lately I'm beginning to think that it is linked with my inner aim of letting go of perfectionism.  I've given myself permission to slack off on everything but the essentials, and apparently the workout has not made my list of essentials as yet.  But when I DO exercise daily, it improves my energy and sense of wellbeing.

I hate New Year's resolutions, but perhaps this would be a good one:

take good care of my body with exercise AND rest this year.

Right after I finish these cookies...


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Veritas]
    #5128994 - 01/01/06 06:39 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

No matter what the pursuit in question is...I constantly hear people say they have no time. When I was in college I would have certain people in programming courses who would want to look at my code. At first I tried to help them out, but when I said "It took me 20 hours to do this assignment, just devote this much time to it and you will get it." they would tell me that they were incompetent because they did not have the time to devote to it. They wanted to be professionals, but they did not have the time to do the work when there was so much going on in their lives. My reply was that if you are motivated you make time. There is always time...time can always be found somewhere, but you have to be motivated to utilize it.

I too have a 40 hour a week job sitting...sitting in front of computers. I have become motivated because I want to seek life and health. I met a guy at a New Years eve party last night that told me he had been working out for 4 years. He was 43, but he looked about 25. He was strong and fit. At 41 I am not falling apart, but that time will approach soon. If I do not become motivated I will decline spiritually mentally, and physically. I do not desire to be a weak old man. My vision of the dynamic warrior does not include tired old men who cry and complain of their ailments.


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5129005 - 01/01/06 06:44 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, we always find time for the activities which support our current values, even if they are not the values we would admit to.

Truth is, I value my extra hour of sleep in the morning more than I value working out.  :shrug:  Perhaps it will take some negative consequences to alter the priority of these values, or perhaps I will "take charge" and make myself get up earlier.

Icelander is a great example for me.  He is up at 6 to hike in the hills with the dog every morning.  This discipline has kept him in terrific shape for 16 years of dog-walking.  What a warrior!


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Veritas]
    #5129026 - 01/01/06 06:58 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Why the morning? I prefer the evening for exercise.


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5129031 - 01/01/06 07:01 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I don't get home from work until 6 or 6:30 p.m., and by the time dinner and kid time and bath time and bed time are done, it's nearly time for me to go to bed.

No, it has to be the morning, or it will not happen.


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Veritas]
    #5129040 - 01/01/06 07:07 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I keep the same hours, but I do not go to sleep before midnight...I am wired that way.


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5129044 - 01/01/06 07:10 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
Why the morning? I prefer the evening for exercise.




If one wants to burn calories all day, morning exercise has been shown to increase metabolic activity for many hours during the day and evening exercise does not have this effect and may interfere with sleep, depending on how late you exercise. But anytime is a good time to exercise. I love the quiet woods in the morning. I have the trails to myself and the air is fresh and invigorating.


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    #5129048 - 01/01/06 07:11 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I used to be a night owl.  It was easier for me to stay up until dawn than it was to get up at dawn.  :grin:  I would regularly sleep from 3 a.m. to 11 a.m. (barring early morning college classes).  Now it's 10 p.m. to 6:30 a.m.  :shrug:

My inner "clock" has been reset now, and it was difficult to stay up until midnight last night.  :tongue: 

Though I think I could go back to being a night owl if my work schedule didn't demand such early hours.  I love being awake at night when almost everyone else is sleeping.


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    #5129076 - 01/01/06 07:32 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I know this, but I have to be in to work early most mornings so I use the evening. It is also a fact that eating up to six small meals a day instead of three large ones gears the body towards higher metabolic activity all day. This causes higher calorie burn. There is more than one way to skin a cat.


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Veritas]
    #5129081 - 01/01/06 07:34 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I sleep from 12:30 to 6:30. Any more sleep and I am worthless all day.


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5129194 - 01/01/06 08:20 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Old men need less sleep.


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    #5129233 - 01/01/06 08:30 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

When I was 19 and my Grandfather was 80, he and I were walking through a shopping mall when he spotted a man he had worked with in the construction trade before he retired. The man yelled "Hey, you old son of a bitch." My grandfather replied "Hey, goddamn it, watch that "old" business!".


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    #5129266 - 01/01/06 08:46 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I will be 53 this year. I really would like to improve my health and fitness and increase my energy levels this year. I have done this routine many times in the past and got myself in better shape. But this time I'm going for a different kind of fitness. The fully relaxed body kind. I want to take up a meditation and relaxation program and then do some light workouts a couple of days a week. And work on some solid sexual healing and relaxing without the sexual guilt I was brought up with. Then if I can lay off the simple sugars I think I will be feeling well.


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Icelander]
    #5129278 - 01/01/06 08:57 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Try Tai Chi and meditation. I did it for 3 years once. I was incredibly flexible, and it increased my endurance and energy levels quite a bit.


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5129302 - 01/01/06 09:06 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I have done Tai Chi in the past and liked it. This time I think I will work out with Veritas.


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    #5129306 - 01/01/06 09:06 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Veritas]
    #5129345 - 01/01/06 09:29 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

:wink: Marvin Gaye said it best.


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Re: Physical Health as a Condition to Spiritual Health [Re: Icelander]
    #5142539 - 01/05/06 11:49 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Inspired by certain people located in a certain place doing exercises that I know. (You know who you are.) I recently took up my old hour and a half, three day a week, Shaolin Body Killer Workout (I came up with the name after the first time I ever did it.) Which basically consists of fifteen minutes of yoga stretches, followed by an hour of going through basic martial arts kicks and punches, etc, with two ten pound weights the entire time, only to break with water, usually at a pretty rigorous pace. During the final fifteen minutes, some crunches and leg lifts to really finish off those last few muscle strands. :smile: that hurts, and takes a lot of will to subject yourself to that kind of pain. Rest up for two days, and repeat the process. On the off days I try to do some kind of stretching and Tai Chi stuff anyway, so that my muscles dont grow bulky and tight as they repair. I'll give it a few weeks to make a difference, but I've seen it done.

On the issue of spiritual improvement, exercise has long been a key factor in many, many health problems. The mind, body, and consciousness are separate things, but they are dependent upon one another. Of coarse exercise is good for you, all of you. I agree completely, regardless of your beliefs, your physical well being can help you pursue them, through many stimulating ways.

If you were going to build a house, would you make the walls thick and the rafters strong, and build it on a muddy foundation?


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