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OfflineNomez
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Home Growth VS Wild Growth
    #511839 - 01/06/02 03:42 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

does anyone know how the way we grow them in our homes differs from the way the grow in the wild? i mean... we have to keep them sterile and use special this and that... but in the wild they just grow on shit... is it *spores* that land on dung and mushrooms grow on their own? id guess yes. and if so how come we cant just get some cow dung and just put some spores on them to grow our mushrooms. my only guess would be that there are a lot of circimstances that have to be in place for them to grow in the wild. nature seems to have it easy. and yet we have such a difficult time replicating the natural circumstances.

so all in all im just asking... how come nature has such an easier time growing shrooms than we do?

dont read this as complaining... just curiosity... and sorry if this didnt make much sense... its pretty late


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Re: Home Growth VS Wild Growth [Re: Nomez]
    #511857 - 01/06/02 04:04 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

it just doesnt work, okay?

just do PF tek you lazy bastard!

i'm sick of this question!


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Re: Home Growth VS Wild Growth [Re: Nomez]
    #511872 - 01/06/02 04:27 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

It is an interesting question, ther are probably a few reasons.
but in the case of many species there are benifical bacteria in dung that help fight other competing molds. you can take advantae of this buy used a dung based compost that is pasterized ( not seterilized). I also suspect that in nature most of the time mush spores lose to competion, but we just dont see it cuz its underground.


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Re: Home Growth VS Wild Growth [Re: phrozendata]
    #511875 - 01/06/02 04:36 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

damn phrozen, chill... i dont want to figure it out as an alternative to the pf tek... i am more curious about the growth of mushrooms in nature than the crossover to homegrowth...

temper, temper *shaking finger*



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Re: Home Growth VS Wild Growth [Re: Nomez]
    #511884 - 01/06/02 05:05 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Here's a project i'd like to see someone try:
Go to a dairy farm and buy a young calf. The females
are future milkers but you they'll gladly sell the males
for about fourty bucks so they don't have to feed them
through the winter. Build a dogpen about 15 ft. by 15 ft.
This seems small but a calf stands in a 4'X6" pen for
months. Sacrifice as many spores as you can every
time you feed. Feed him the old substrait, clean up any
spores you spill during harvest with a peice of bread
and throw it to him. After a week or two the pin will
be nothing but mud and shit. After a month or two
get rid of the cow. Sell it or donate it back to the
farmer. Chances are, in the spring right after the rain
and before the sun, there's going to be mushrooms
everywhere, at least for a while. If not deposit some
good refer seeds, they love cowshit too! Some
vines growing in the fence would keep your neihbors
from figuring out what you're doing.
Nothing will beat having them inside where you can
manipulate their enviorment but, can you imagine how
cool it would be to see three or four hundred shrooms
coming up at once? Just a thought. Peace





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Re: Home Growth VS Wild Growth [Re: WakingUpLate]
    #511887 - 01/06/02 05:12 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah my neighbors in the City are gonna love that...lol
Notttttttttttttttttttt
Maybe someone that lives out in the country can try this....lol


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Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.



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Re: Home Growth VS Wild Growth [Re: Roadkill]
    #511901 - 01/06/02 05:45 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I sure didn't mean to piss any of you guys off. PF Tek is
obviously the serious approach to shrooming. I have goofy
ideas regularly but I've never smoked a shroom. But I was in
my backyard today, looking at my empty dogpin, and one of
my best customers in my electrical/refrigeration business
owns three dairies totaling about 700 milk cows. I've got
two kids 13 & 15 that would probably name the damn cow
if I brought it home. Dare me to try? LOL! Peace



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Re: Home Growth VS Wild Growth [Re: WakingUpLate]
    #511907 - 01/06/02 06:06 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

You didn't piss me off.....lol
I was just saying alot of us probably can't have a cow since some of us live in the city.
I see alot of peeps here posting that live in Apartments...lol
Now i see nothing wrong with what you said.
It probably would even work...I only see one problem.
They eat alot....so its probably not practical.
I have 2 kids too....they wouldn't like it when i got rid of the damn thing.....if i got one....lol


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Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!


Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.



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Re: Home Growth VS Wild Growth [Re: Nomez]
    #511920 - 01/06/02 06:38 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Nomez,

Nature DOESN'T have "an easier time growing shrooms than we do." Just as a salmon lays millions of eggs only to hatch a few, similar circumstances exist with mushroom spores. For every mushroom you come across on a pile of dung, many factors had to come together to allow that to happen. If you think about the sheer number of mushroom spores in the air, you can do the math--most do not become mushrooms.

We try to recreate the factors that we need to in order to do it at home. We have to sterilize the media to take any competitor spores out of the picture.

Your question is a good one. If you can, buy The Mushroom Cultivator by Paul Stamets and on one graphic page, you'll see your answer.





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Re: Home Growth VS Wild Growth [Re: ChangLee]
    #511932 - 01/06/02 07:05 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

first, the cow eats grass tht contains slightly preserved spores. then, in one of the stomachs of the cows, the spores germinate and colonize and what not. last, they dump a steaming pile of slightly colonized shit on the ground where the fungus continues to colonize the pile and surrounding area. how it keeps from being taken over and killed....i dont know. but that pile of shit must be colonized from the inside out, with the outer layer or shell of dried shit keeps the inside from being invaded. then, when a good rain comes, it softens the shit, and shrooms grow in a fury to repeat their cycle.


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Re: Home Growth VS Wild Growth [Re: felix]
    #513143 - 01/07/02 02:00 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Phrozen is completely right, there are soooo many posts over and over again, that they come up like 9 times on a view on the front page, for christs sake get stoned and read for two hours...save yourself and others the time
peace, ar393


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