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Re: Linux vs. M$ [Re: Dre]
    #5111966 - 12/27/05 04:53 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I'm sorry, but I just can't take seriously an argument from a person who uses "there" when he means "their."

I looked at your profile to see if you're from a non-English-speaking country, since I'd hate to discourage someone using a second language. I didn't find any info on your country, but I found this: "I used to study bio chemestry."

And lo, your credibility was shot to shit.


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Re: Linux vs. M$ [Re: Dre]
    #5112380 - 12/27/05 06:14 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

the only advantage that windows has over unix is its popularity. because of its popularity, people are familiar with it, it's standard and universal, and a lot of software is made to run on it. because of these advantages, it continues to be the default operating system. the cycle continues.

this cycle began not because windows ever offered anything superior to the alternatives, but because of shrewd marketing and infighting in the unix camp during a critical time.

by design, it is inferior. it is far less stable, far less secure, and far less adaptable than unix variants.

when i ran windows, i had to be on guard for viruses and spyware. i had to reboot once a day, defrag once a week, and reinstall once a year, just to keep it running right. even then, occasionally a nasty virus would slip through and fuck things up pretty bad. keeping the entire system up to date was a chore. i had to use (mostly) commercial software, including the system itself, that cost money, required registration, did not integrate well with the rest of the system, came bundled with ads, and was not customizable. the design of the system made no sense. there was a nonsensical file hierarchy, nonsensical permissions policy, and that awful windows registry. it did not do what i wanted it to do.

now that i'm using linux, i have none of these issues. it is virtually immune to viruses and spyware, stable as a rock, and does exactly what i want it to do. installing new software and keeping the system up to date is a breeze. the system itself is actually easier to use than windows. it works the way an operating system should.

people are more familiar with windows, know that other people are familiar with it too, and know that games and obscure software are usually made for windows. these are its only advantages. from a design and usability standpoint, it is very inferior.

i don't have any personal problems with bill gates.


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Re: Linux vs. M$ [Re: Dre]
    #5114266 - 12/28/05 04:25 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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God i would be happy if what ever code i would write for a web page would work in every browser. I would rather have everyone using IE or everyone using opera or something but that is not going to happen because there is always someone who thinks he or she can do it better and a bunch of people that will follow.




Greate example, but you exhonerated the culprit by accident.  The reason that none of the browsers render the same is soley because of Microsoft and IE.  Before IE came out, there were only a handful of web browsers, and *gasp* they all followed standards and displayed information in pretty much the same way.  Along comes Microshit with IE and decides that the best way for them to take over the market, thus illegally extending their monopoly, was to use the old "embrace and destroy" mentality.  The first versions of IE played nicely with everybody else.  As more and more people started using the default browser with their OS, the MS monopoly started to change the ways things worked, away from standards.  Pretty soon, the other browsers were trying to catch up, but in an open manner rather than the "embrace and destroy" approach.  The results are obvious to anybody that does web design... it sucks... yet another great innovation by Microsoft... hell for all web developers, but at least they got the market share... :rolleyes:


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Re: Linux vs. M$ [Re: Dre]
    #5114417 - 12/28/05 07:06 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I was trying to avoid stepping into the melee, but here I go anyway...
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Dre said:
This is the down side of GPL open source. Every piece of code dumped in to one of those projects becomes totally worthless because it has no meaning to any company which can use it in a product which is more then just a open source project.




Let's assume open source code is worthless to companies. That still doesn't negate the worth of that code to the millions (billions?) of potential end-users who could benefit from cheap/free software which they can easily modify,customize, and improve.

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In this way GPL is slowly grinding new and revolutionary thinking and development to a halt. Because every idea that is sticked in there can't be worked out by someone else. And simply the fact that person would die because he or she can't eat because they simply suck at support but are good at coding.




I would argue the opposite in some ways. Developing closed software can stifle revolutionary thinking and development. If only workers from one company can see how a function is implemented, only that company can find its flaws, develop improvements to it, whatever. Open source code can be viewed by anyone (usually), meaning that anyone can suggest/make improvements, suggest new methods of implementation inspired by the flaws of the original, etc. A thousand minds are better than 20 in this case.

Of course, there is still a place for closed source software. Without it, we'd have few programmers around to even write OSS. But to say it's "futile" or "worthless" indicates a very narrow view of the situation.

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Re: Linux vs. M$ [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #5114685 - 12/28/05 09:54 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Of course, there is still a place for closed source software. Without it, we'd have few programmers around to even write OSS. But to say it's "futile" or "worthless" indicates a very narrow view of the situation.




First off, I don't really object to closed source software. If you write software, you should get the copyright and determine the terms under which that software is distributed, within reason.

However, even if the source code was provided with all software, there still would be plenty of work for programmers. Most employers of programmers don't sell software as their primary means of income. Banks are banks, telecoms sell phone and other services, Google sells adds, etc.

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Re: Linux vs. M$ [Re: phi1618]
    #5114937 - 12/28/05 11:14 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

True. That was just sort of an endnote anyway, my real points were in the previous 2 paragraphs.

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Re: Linux vs. M$ [Re: drtyfrnk]
    #5115163 - 12/28/05 12:29 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

DRE:

If a company uses GPL code, but doesn't distribute it...they use it internally...they are not required to donate their changes back to the project. Do some more research so you understand this concept.


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