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Re: Over Population and the Duty to Reproduce [Re: shroomydan]
    #5104289 - 12/25/05 09:58 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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This isn't even a question for philosophical discussion.

Sure it's an appropriate question for philosophical discussion.

There are three branches of philosophy: metaphysics, epistemology, and ethics. Whether or not those of superior ability have a duty to pass on their genes for the benefit of future humanity is a question which falls squarely into the field of ethics.

As an extreme example of the point I'm making, consider how the world would be, if everybody that could read beyond a grade-school level disappeared tomorrow. Who would genetically engineer better food crops? Who would make vaccines? Who would build the spaceships that may one day allow us to colonize other planets?

It seems to me that a less extreme version of that scenario will occur if civilized people of high intelligence stop having children, while their less developed brothers and sisters keep banging away.

It seems the worst case scenario of overpopulation would occur, if it happened that there were more people than the resources of the earth could sustain, while at the same time there were not enough people capable of increasing those resources or finding new ones.

Because those of lower ability are not going to stop reproducing at an exponential rate, those of higher ability need to keep up, so that the carrying capacity of the human habitat may increase with the population growth. Otherwise, things could get really ugly for the human species. When other animal species reproduce past the carrying capacity of their environments, the population suffers catastrophic death rates from disease and famine. Many of these species resort to cannibalism. I don't want to see this happen to humanity. Because we can't stop the ignorant from having so many children, the wise must find a way to increase the carrying capacity of the habitat, or find new habitats on other planets.

This is why is seems to me that if humanity is going to survive 'overpopulation', then those of superior genetic stock must keep their genes in the gene pool.

I suppose it's up to each person to decide if he cares about the future of humanity, and if his genes are worth passing on.




Eugenics.

"Excepting in the case of man himself, hardly anyone is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed." --Charles Darwin


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Re: Over Population and the Duty to Reproduce [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5104461 - 12/25/05 11:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

despite his obvious knowledge on the subject, it seems that with or without darwin, evolution seemed to have worked out just fine on its own.

eugenics is a pseudoscience.


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Re: Over Population and the Duty to Reproduce [Re: kotik]
    #5104771 - 12/25/05 02:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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with or without darwin, evolution seemed to have worked out just fine on its own.




Really? It seems like it worked out to be an absolute disaster.


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Re: Over Population and the Duty to Reproduce [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5104797 - 12/25/05 02:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

compared to what?


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Re: Over Population and the Duty to Reproduce [Re: kotik]
    #5105115 - 12/25/05 06:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

There's an easy answer to your problem:

Adopt.


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Re: Over Population and the Duty to Reproduce [Re: kotik]
    #5105176 - 12/25/05 06:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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compared to what?




the potential of a society that had adopted eugenics


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Re: Over Population and the Duty to Reproduce [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5105371 - 12/25/05 08:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

right, because eugenics worked out so well for the last group that tried it right?

wrong.

much like excessive pedigree dog breeding leads to other problems. the more variety, the better the chances of evolution. at least thats what us retards think.


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Re: Over Population and the Duty to Reproduce [Re: kotik]
    #5105557 - 12/25/05 10:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Eugenics does not aim to eliminate variety. Its sole purpose is to limit the propagation of those genes which are detrimental to the human species as a whole.


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Re: Over Population and the Duty to Reproduce [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5105798 - 12/25/05 11:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

but who gets to decide what is detrimental, and what is beneficial?

and aside from that, we have only just recently begun to understand what traits are genetic, and which are not.

the genetic code was only cracked in 1966.. we have so far to go still, and you already want to start weeding genes out? jumping the gun by at least a few hundred years i would say...


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Re: Over Population and the Duty to Reproduce [Re: kotik]
    #5105983 - 12/26/05 12:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Hey!

I'm not not advocating "weeding out" anyone. I'm just saying that those who are superior (you know who you are) have a duty to pass on their genes.


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Re: Over Population and the Duty to Reproduce [Re: shroomydan]
    #5105988 - 12/26/05 12:18 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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those who are superior (you know who you are)




:lol:


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Re: Over Population and the Duty to Reproduce [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5106058 - 12/26/05 12:39 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

hey bud, its also very important to shelter children rather unfortunate and actually educate them and give them a chance at a good life

help attend the already over populated area by fixing up the 'supports' for our next generation

im sure your lady friend would not object to that, i mean shes a woman, women have motherly instincts even if they dont want to have kids of their own


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Re: Over Population and the Duty to Reproduce [Re: TheGus]
    #5106064 - 12/26/05 12:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I don't have a lady friend, hombre.


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Re: Over Population and the Duty to Reproduce [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5106703 - 12/26/05 08:26 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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those who are superior (you know who you are) have a duty to pass on their genes.




it seems you know the meaning of life or something? heh... i mean, even if these "superior genes" get passed on, what does it matter? Ants and cockroaches will still outlive us.


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Re: Over Population and the Duty to Reproduce [Re: kotik]
    #5106933 - 12/26/05 10:58 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Please take what follows with a MASSIVE grain of salt, don't take any of it seriously. That said-

Perhaps the fact that food production keeps increasing is at the heart of the overpopulation issue. Maybe the problem is that those with 'superiour genes' keep upping the available supply of food. In addition, because those of 'superior ability' are such wonderful people, they provide humanitarian aid to populations that are not self sustaining... so they continue to grow rather than come to an equilibrium.
So, if all those with 'superior genes,' have less/no offspring, then the food supply and humanitarian aid to areas that populated by 'uneducated peasants' will decrease. In conclusion, the best thing that could happen would be to sterilize all those in the developed world, that is, if you just want to control the population.
On a side note, has anyone following this thread read Ishmael by Daniel Quinn?


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Re: Over Population and the Duty to Reproduce [Re: PsychoChipmunk]
    #5106954 - 12/26/05 11:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

nope, but i plan to!

anyone read "The Wanting Seed" by Anthony Burgess? It's pretty much on this same topic: overpopulation.


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Re: Over Population and the Duty to Reproduce [Re: kotik]
    #5107178 - 12/26/05 12:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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those who are superior (you know who you are) have a duty to pass on their genes.




it seems you know the meaning of life or something? heh... i mean, even if these "superior genes" get passed on, what does it matter? Ants and cockroaches will still outlive us.




That quote was actually made by ShroomyDan, not myself.


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Re: Over Population and the Duty to Reproduce [Re: shroomydan]
    #5107535 - 12/26/05 02:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I refuse to do my dirty, I mean duty.


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Re: Over Population and the Duty to Reproduce [Re: Icelander]
    #5107878 - 12/26/05 05:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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That quote was actually made by ShroomyDan, not myself.




ya i know, i just hit the wrong reply button, as i usually do. hehe.


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