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 Yarry
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 Articulation problems 
#5101835 - 12/24/05 12:41 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not quite sure if the title is what im tryin to get at.
Basically i have all these grand ideas in my head and grand ambition etc, and i know exactly what it means to me and shit.
but when i try and tell someone what i think/want/beleive etc. i can never find the words.
In my head it is so amazing but with words i cant explain it.
anyone else get this?
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Yarry]
#5101858 - 12/24/05 12:48 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Everyone has this and that's what seperates the artists from the "normal" people
the artists can find the words
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Yarry]
#5101864 - 12/24/05 12:48 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: lemon_lw]
#5101868 - 12/24/05 12:49 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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any more info on it? IE Doses and shit? i wouldnt mind trying that and then writing some poetry.
it seems the only time i can write poetry of late is when im genuinely depressed or angry.
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Yarry]
#5101876 - 12/24/05 12:51 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Find a girl. Do what you need to do. Should clear things up.
Dosage, 3 times daily.
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Yarry]
#5101879 - 12/24/05 12:52 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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are you austistic???
Joking someone told me i have asshumpers disease or something like that.
Some form of autisim..bah
Its all just words and fantasy unless you got something to show. People find doers interesting not dreamers alone but dreamers that make the dream reality.
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Liquidkick]
#5101883 - 12/24/05 12:53 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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thats part of the problem. i have a girl i really like right now and have trouble reading her. so im trying to explain to my one friend all the intricate details to see what she thinks but i cant put words to it...
that vervain sounds like itll cure several of my problems at once too. id just like to know more of it
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Yarry]
#5101891 - 12/24/05 12:55 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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words make shit confusing.
Language was developed as a way of preserving history and passing down stories after the people got stupid. The only solution is to become a master linguist. Or use telepathy.. or both>
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Yarry]
#5101897 - 12/24/05 12:57 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sounds like being stupid and knowing that you are.
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Yarry]
#5101901 - 12/24/05 12:58 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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i gave up talking years ago.
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Shroomism]
#5101903 - 12/24/05 12:58 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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thats what frustrates me. language is so completely inadequate to properly convey things to other people. basic shit like this yea i can tell you guys the basics of my probs and you can tell me the basics of how to fix it. but i cant tell you how she smells, or the feelings i feel, or the thoughts pulsing through my mind....
serously who knows more about that vervain i think its worth at least a try
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Shroomism]
#5101910 - 12/24/05 12:59 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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i think not being able to convey the ideas you hold in your head is evidence that you need to understand them more fully yourself before you could ever hope to convey them to others. spend more time studying.
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: nonick]
#5101917 - 12/24/05 01:01 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Less time studying. More time partying.
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: nonick]
#5101920 - 12/24/05 01:02 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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you cant tell me that i dont understand how i feel for this girl, i completely understand how it is. i just couldnt tell any of you in the details i think of it. or the senses it evokes.
i really do wish there was a better method of communication
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Yarry]
#5101922 - 12/24/05 01:03 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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you know how you feel.
that should be enough.
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Yarry]
#5101923 - 12/24/05 01:04 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is.. body language, facial expressions, ahem expressions of love and affection..engrish is overrated anywayz,.
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Yarry]
#5101926 - 12/24/05 01:05 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Words like violence
Break the silence
Come crashing in
Into my little world
Painful to me
Pierce right through me
Can't you understand
Oh my little girl
All I ever wanted
All I ever needed
Is here in my arms
Words are very unnecessary
They can only do harm
Vows are spoken
To be broken
Feelings are intense
Words are trivial
Pleasures remain
So does the pain
Words are meaningless
And forgettable
All I ever wanted
All I ever needed
Is here in my arms
Words are very unnecessary
They can only do harm
Enjoy the silence
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Yarry]
#5101932 - 12/24/05 01:07 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is no simple fix.
You will have to read and learn and read and learn.
P.s. Language isn't inadequite.
I don't know how you can claim that unless you speak several languages and know every available word for each one and all possible syntax.
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Yarry
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ok. the language i know is inadequate. Everyday mundane english is inadequate for expressing what i feel.
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Yarry]
#5101934 - 12/24/05 01:09 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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I like to use the quiet smile in that situation.
To me it depends on the person I'm trying to convey the ideas to, there are people that I can just let words fall out of my mouth without even stringing thoughts together and they understand what I'm trying to say. Sometimes I only get a word or two out. Other people I don't even need to speak, they read my thoughts, they can tell by the look in my eyes and they can share my dreams. If I really can't find the words, to me it means I'm not ready to say it out loud, so I write it down for later.
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Shroomism]
#5101935 - 12/24/05 01:10 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Shroomism said:
There is.. body language, facial expressions, ahem expressions of love and affection..engrish is overrated anywayz,.
Engrish is a slang term which, in its purest form, refers to poor-quality attempts by Japanese writers to create English words and phrases; whether in mistranslation of an original Japanese language text, or in an attempt to create an original text in the English language.
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Gillette]
#5101937 - 12/24/05 01:11 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Gillette said:
I like to use the quiet smile in that situation.
To me it depends on the person I'm trying to convey the ideas to, there are people that I can just let words fall out of my mouth without even stringing thoughts together and they understand what I'm trying to say. Sometimes I only get a word or two out. Other people I don't even need to speak, they read my thoughts, they can tell by the look in my eyes and they can share my dreams. If I really can't find the words, to me it means I'm not ready to say it out loud, so I write it down for later.
but how do i write down that which i cant put words to?
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Yarry]
#5101941 - 12/24/05 01:11 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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maybe like this <3
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Yarry]
#5101945 - 12/24/05 01:12 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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write words that your thinking, anything...put the pencil to the paper and it will go....string it all together later, I dunno, maybe I can't find the words to explain it 
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Yarry]
#5101947 - 12/24/05 01:13 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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May i suggest a classical education?
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Corporal Kielbasa
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Classical yeah like about romantics and the like? Poets and fairytales?
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Gillette]
#5101952 - 12/24/05 01:14 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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 ill try writing when i get home tonight! how do you do it gill? like a private diary type shit or jus scraps of random paper?
i have a really nice book i havnt wrote anything in yet.. maybe thats what i needed it for all along
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Yarry]
#5101958 - 12/24/05 01:16 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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have you read much Shakespeare? he was a crazy writer.
Tom Robbins is really good.
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Yarry]
#5101967 - 12/24/05 01:19 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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I used to have similar difficulties expressing my thoughts.
The key for me is to relax, try to break down what I have to say into small hunks, and to work on each hunk individually.
Sitting around campfires talking to complete strangers while smoking and drinking has been the perfect therapy for me. Festival therapy, I call it.
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Shroomism]
#5101968 - 12/24/05 01:19 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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yea i actually like shakespeare a fair bit. i guess i just wish i had a more artistic vocabulary to better be able to put that to use? i really dont even know how to properly express yourself.
ive already had one book recommended to me and if anyone else has anything they think i should read/watch/look at id be more then willing to take suggestions
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Shroomism]
#5101973 - 12/24/05 01:20 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have a book thingy, but like I write on anything and then just stick it all there....
I think there is merit in all the reading that people are suggesting as well, I read an awful lot.
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Gillette]
#5101979 - 12/24/05 01:22 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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i read alot too but its usually jus crappy novels to fill time
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Yarry]
#5101987 - 12/24/05 01:27 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: Yarry]
#5102300 - 12/24/05 03:04 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Articulation problems [Re: nonick]
#5103894 - 12/25/05 12:43 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
nonick said:
i think not being able to convey the ideas you hold in your head is evidence that you need to understand them more fully yourself before you could ever hope to convey them to others. spend more time studying.
I think he's right. Sometimes you think you have this grand idea, but when you try to explain it to someone you realize that it's very fleeting and lacking in any sort of detail. If you profoundly can't explain it then you probably dont understand it yourself.
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