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Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50%
    #5097163 - 12/23/05 08:21 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5097482 - 12/23/05 10:55 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

So? The American public has notoriously low standard when it comes to politicians, operating systems and public education. Hell, Bill Clinton had HIGHER approval ratings (except with only ONE polling organization and only for three months with that organization), and he didn't even have an attack to whip people up into a blind emotional frenzy. Remember, in polls as in voting, the voice of the hopelessly ignorant and short sighted counts just as much as the exquisitely informed and prudent. I guess if being a fifty percenter makes you proud, enjoy yourself.


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #5097516 - 12/23/05 11:08 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Clinton didn't had a massive terrorist attack and a war.

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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: WhiteBunny]
    #5097546 - 12/23/05 11:19 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Exactly, it is well known among pollsters that an attack and war intially INCREASES support for a sitting president. It is Bush's mismanagement afterwards which has allowed his support to erode so much.


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #5097635 - 12/23/05 11:53 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

tragically..in this case the rasmussen poll is backed up by at least one other poll (that hasnt been kind to bush in the past)...according to the zogby poll..a majority of americans now favours the war in iraq and the NSA spying program..and prolly many others that werent in the poll...

with the radical right and its agenda of unchecked executive power continuing to gain popularity..its litte wonder that the so-called terrorists want to blow us up...


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5097720 - 12/23/05 12:27 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

If it's at least half the population it can't really be called radical now can it?

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"with the radical right and its agenda of unchecked executive power continuing to gain popularity..its litte wonder that the so-called terrorists want to blow us up..."




Ahh now I understand......they attack us because the executive branch is too powerful. Who knew?


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5097726 - 12/23/05 12:29 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

They hate us because we are losing our freedoms.


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5097844 - 12/23/05 01:06 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
If it's at least half the population it can't really be called radical now can it?

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"with the radical right and its agenda of unchecked executive power continuing to gain popularity..its litte wonder that the so-called terrorists want to blow us up..."




Ahh now I understand......they attack us because the executive branch is too powerful. Who knew?






>> If it's at least half the population it can't really be called radical now can it?

the relevant definitions of "radical"..from dictionary.com ..

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1. Departing markedly from the usual or customary; extreme: radical opinions on education.
2. Favoring or effecting fundamental or revolutionary changes in current practices, conditions, or institutions: radical political views.




the definitions do not preclude majority support for "radical"...

>> Ahh now I understand......they attack us because the executive branch is too powerful. Who knew?

precisely...in the words of OBL himself ..

Quote:

"I tell you freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people and the West in general will enter an unbearable hell and a choking life"

(CNN)...





and i can think of little else that fits that billing better than bushs' unchecked executive power...and with majority backing in a winner-take-all system..everyone becomes fair game..even if you did vote for john kerry...


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5097997 - 12/23/05 01:46 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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"I tell you freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people and the West in general will enter an unbearable hell and a choking life"




Well, I am glad that Bin Laden cares so much about my freedom and human rights but it didn't seem like he fought for those much under taliban rule in Afghanistan. If what I read is true, they have some issues with what you would call "women's rights" and so forth. Im not sure that you would like his proposed form of government.

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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: Catalysis]
    #5098190 - 12/23/05 02:42 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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1. Departing markedly from the usual or customary; extreme: radical opinions on education.
2. Favoring or effecting fundamental or revolutionary changes in current practices, conditions, or institutions: radical political views.



the definitions do not preclude majority support for "radical"...




You're kidding right?


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5098269 - 12/23/05 03:01 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Annapurna1 said:
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zappaisgod said



>> Ahh now I understand......they attack us because the executive branch is too powerful. Who knew?

precisely...in the words of OBL himself ..

Quote:

"I tell you freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people and the West in general will enter an unbearable hell and a choking life"

(CNN)...





and i can think of little else that fits that billing better than bushs' unchecked executive power...and with majority backing in a winner-take-all system..everyone becomes fair game..even if you did vote for john kerry...





From this

"BIN LADEN: The events of Tuesday, September the 11th, in New York and Washington are great on all levels. Their repercussions are not over. Although the collapse of the twin towers is huge, but the events that followed, and I'm not just talking about the economic repercussions, those are continuing, the events that followed are dangerous and more enormous than the collapse of the towers.

The values of this Western civilization under the leadership of America have been destroyed. Those awesome symbolic towers that speak of liberty, human rights, and humanity have been destroyed. They have gone up in smoke.

The proof came when the U.S. government pressured the media not to run our statements that are not longer than very few minutes. They felt that the truth started to reach the American people, the truth that we are not terrorists as they understand it but because we are being attacked in Palestine, Iraq, Lebanon, Sudan, Somalia, Kashmir, the Philippines and everywhere else. They understood the truth that this is a reaction from the youth of the Muslim nation against the British government. They forgot all about fair and objective reporting and reporting the other side of the issue. I tell you freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people and the West in general will enter an unbearable hell and a choking life because the Western leadership acts under the Zionist lobby's influence for the purpose of serving Israel, which kills our sons unlawfully in order for them to remain in their leadership positions. "


you draw the conclusion that OBL attacked us because the executive branch of the US government was too powerful relative to the legislature and the judiciary??????

Keep going Anna, your'e as perfect as John Dean and Pickles Pelosi and Harry Reid. If you didn't exist, I'd have to make you up.


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5098287 - 12/23/05 03:06 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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1. Departing markedly from the usual or customary; extreme: radical opinions on education.
2. Favoring or effecting fundamental or revolutionary changes in current practices, conditions, or institutions: radical political views.



the definitions do not preclude majority support for "radical"...




You're kidding right?




MTT was right ..you really dont know how to read...where does either definition say "and backed only by a (small) minority of the population"??...


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5098309 - 12/23/05 03:10 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Bin Ladens probable reasons of attacking the twin towers was probably because of Desert Storm. Osama had made predicitions on whether Saddam Hussein would invade Kuwait and eventually Saudia Arabia. He asked the Saudis if he could use homegrown Mujahadin from Afghanistan to attack Iraq. When he was sleighted by the Saudi family in favor US and coalition forces he saw it as a violation on Muslim lands. Our irresponsible foreign policy has also led to many of these actions. The insurmountable civilian casualty count has led to a situation where militants are being recruited faster then they can die.

And since everyone who lives in the united states or UK basically lives in a media shell they dont really read to much unbiased or objective information. Instead people read political banter painted as objective journalism which knows not to dwell on negativity because it equals bad ratings.

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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #5098326 - 12/23/05 03:14 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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majority of americans now favours the war in iraq and the NSA spying program




thats hard for me to swallow. i dont believe these polls that say 90% of people approve of phone tapping. I mean i saw the report on fox the other night, but that still doesnt mean shit to me. It was on o'reilly i believe.

fucking stupid fucking americans. Maybe its just because i usually doing something illegal, or badmouthing the government, but FUCK how could anyone be for phone tapping???


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: kotik]
    #5098415 - 12/23/05 03:40 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

more fun facts about americans:

-Less than half of American adults understand that the Earth orbits the sun yearly

-Only about 9% knew what a molecule was, and only 21% could define DNA.

-1/3 of Americans surveyed understood the effects of a thinning ozone layer

- 66% believed electrons are larger than atoms

-52% believed earliest human beings lived at the same time as the dinosaurs.

-25% believed sound travels faster than light

http://www.mdcbowen.org/p2/rm/stupidit.htm

"The society survey found that only about one in seven -- 13 percent -- of Americans between the age of 18 and 24, the prime age for military warriors, could find Iraq. The score was the same for Iran, an Iraqi neighbor.

Although the majority, 58 percent, of the young Americans surveyed knew that the Taliban and al Qaeda were based in Afghanistan, only 17 percent could find that country on a world map."

"Thirty-four percent of the young Americans knew that the island used on last season's "Survivor" show was located in the South Pacific, but only 30 percent could locate the state of New Jersey on a map. The "Survivor" show's location was the Marquesas Islands in the eastern South Pacific."

"When asked to find 10 specific states on a map of the United States, only California and Texas could be located by a large majority of those surveyed. Both states were correctly located by 89 percent of the participants. Only 51 percent could find New York, the nation's third most populous state."

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/11/20/geography.quiz/

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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: Catalysis]
    #5098465 - 12/23/05 03:53 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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"I tell you freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people and the West in general will enter an unbearable hell and a choking life"




Well, I am glad that Bin Laden cares so much about my freedom and human rights but it didn't seem like he fought for those much under taliban rule in Afghanistan. If what I read is true, they have some issues with what you would call "women's rights" and so forth. Im not sure that you would like his proposed form of government.




i dont know what kind of a civil libertarian OBL would make..given that he used to work for the CIA...however..the quote is definitely accurate..and i dont blame someone that doesnt want to live a choking life in the unbearable hell that bush&co and their toadys' are pushing...in fact..bush&co would make excellent taliban chieves...

and i too have some issues with "womens' rights" that have produced maggie thatcher.. condoleeza rice.. etc and have also played into the hands of the neocons in other ways...its quite true that the taliban forced us into abusive marriages against our will..but in neocon america..the role of the abusive husband has been taken over by big govt and big business in what george lakoff calls the strict father society.. leaving us not much better off...


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5098485 - 12/23/05 03:59 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

most americans are also extremely poor at critical reasoning and forming coherent arguments.


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5098517 - 12/23/05 04:08 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Annapurna1 said:
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zappaisgod said:
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1. Departing markedly from the usual or customary; extreme: radical opinions on education.
2. Favoring or effecting fundamental or revolutionary changes in current practices, conditions, or institutions: radical political views.

the definitions do not preclude majority support for "radical"...




You're kidding right?




MTT was right ..you really dont know how to read...where does either definition say "and backed only by a (small) minority of the population"??...




I can read quite well. And think. I would say the first definition precludes characterizing even a large minority from being considered radical. Anna's absurdist definition is no doubt the 90% of the population that doesn't agree with Anna. And I sure don't see any indication of a Bushite revolution. The mothership is calling Anna and it says you aren't helping.


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5098670 - 12/23/05 04:41 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

no you cant read...it doesnt say anything about statistics...nor did i make up the definition either..unless i secretly own dictionary.com...


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5098758 - 12/23/05 05:11 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Do you understand the words "usual" or "customary"? Like I said earlier even a large minority would suffice to preclude the term radical. You are becoming a caricature.


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #5098862 - 12/23/05 05:41 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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So? I guess if being a fifty percenter makes you proud, enjoy yourself.




Not proud, just hopeful. maybe if he gets over 55% approval by 06 elections the Dem's will lose more seats.


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5099039 - 12/23/05 06:18 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Do you understand the words "usual" or "customary"? Like I said earlier even a large minority would suffice to preclude the term radical. You are becoming a caricature.




http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=customary

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customary

aadj 1: in accordance with convention or custom; "sealed the deal with the customary handshake" 2: commonly used or practiced; usual; "his accustomed thoroughness"; "took his customary morning walk"; "his habitual comment"; "with her wonted candor" [syn: accustomed, habitual, wonted(a)]




i wont go over bushs' laundry list.. suffice it to say that much of it would violate definition 1) above...

Quote:

And I sure don't see any indication of a Bushite revolution.




then maybe you better take that up with the bushites ..

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Further, the process of transformation,
even if it brings revolutionary change, is
likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event ? like a
new Pearl Harbor.

source ..http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf (p51)...




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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: wilshire]
    #5099047 - 12/23/05 06:20 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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more fun facts about americans:





Jesus Christ! Is all of that stuff true?

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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5099094 - 12/23/05 06:32 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

there have been a lot of polls of the same type. americans are extremely, extremely stupid, most countries are worse, and the few that are better aren't by much.

i've read some regarding reading and comprehension. basically, the average american simply does not read and cannot write. the average american is also very, very ignorant of historical events. even recent ones. (eg. who bombed pearl harbor? in what half century was the civil war fought? what was the cold war?)

people are dumb. very, very dumb, and here in america, this is the best democracy that democracy could come up with.

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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: wilshire]
    #5099261 - 12/23/05 07:26 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

i would argue that the lack of education in america is directly related to how successful our government and military are.


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: kotik]
    #5099285 - 12/23/05 07:33 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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i would argue that the lack of education in america is directly related to how successful our government and military are.




How is our government and military, 'successful'?


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: looner2]
    #5099384 - 12/23/05 08:10 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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How is our government and military, 'successful'?




well, based on the fact we are the world's leading superpower... of course this could be debated without end, but the only military that compares to us would be China, only in size not power or effectiveness. Of course, we are also the youngest superpower... but currently, I would say that makes our govt & military successful.


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: kotik]
    #5099409 - 12/23/05 08:18 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Why would our superpower status be a result of being uneducated? Our military is the most educated one in the world by far.


What are the differences between other nations, notably Europe and the U.S when it comes to levels of education. I believe 15% of Americans have degrees, I wonder what it is for other countries. I tried to google but found nothing.


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    #5099471 - 12/23/05 08:44 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Why would our superpower status be a result of being uneducated?




well, since its just a theory of mine, I am not prepared to prove it, only offer it as a reasonable debate. I would say that the less people are educated, the less they understand their rights and freedoms. The less inclined they are to question authority (whether it be police, bankers, teachers, so-called experts, etc. etc.) Would you agree that a population kept in the dark for the most part would be easier to please and/or control?

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Our military is the most educated one in the world by far.




I would love to argue with you, but I doubt either of us could prove this one way or the other. Overall, I would say that yes the US military is very smart, but the only requirements for enlisting are a GED, and a passing ASVAB score. (both can be waived, plus if you ever took the ASVAB you would know what I mean.. questions with a picture of a screw, that has a caption "which way would I turn this to tighten?" with 4 choices like clockwise, counterclockwise, push inwards, and n/a (mind you, clockwise and ccw both had diagrams of arrows for the idiots that couldnt tell the difference). again, neither of us would be able to prove this either way. There is also a huge difference in intelligence between officers and enlisted.

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What are the differences between other nations, notably Europe and the U.S when it comes to levels of education. I believe 15% of Americans have degrees, I wonder what it is for other countries. I tried to google but found nothing.




me too. most google results tend to focus more on comparing racial iq scores than national iqs.. however:

Quote:

Finnish pupils are the smartest in the world, according to a survey 15-year-olds in 41 countries, closely followed by three Asian countries.




http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,591-1392446,00.html


there was actually a great article in the latest Wired magazine loosely based on this subject... and we are nowhere near the top in education, progress or smartypantsness.


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: kotik]
    #5099960 - 12/23/05 10:56 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

it's mostly mass media, television in particular. people are stupid. they also have no taste. american culture reflects the mass stupidity of the people who consume it (and i use the word "consume" intentionally).


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: kotik]
    #5101003 - 12/24/05 08:12 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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i would argue that the lack of education in america is directly related to how successful our government and military are.



I would blame it on failed social policies.


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5101028 - 12/24/05 08:24 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

and the fact that the failed policies were instated in the first place, and continue to fail are results of an uneducated public.


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: kotik]
    #5101036 - 12/24/05 08:30 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I disagree. You may be to young to remember but once upon a time you were actually expected to learn while in school.

I think the reason social policies have failed us is because they were badly thought out to begin with.


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5101059 - 12/24/05 08:41 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

i am pretty young (22), but I remember school pretty well, and to be honest I don't think the education was all that. I learned more on my own time than at school.

since it would be innaccurate to base my thoughts on my own experience, it doesnt help that the fuckin public education system is controlled by the same people that make the laws and make the jails.

without googling some sources to back up this claim, i would be so bold as to say home-schooled children are smarter than those that goto public schools.

i dont think that americans are stupid, or that kids are too stupid.. but the education system is designed to keep feeding the economy with busy-body workers, and little else.


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: kotik]
    #5101126 - 12/24/05 09:18 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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I would love to argue with you, but I doubt either of us could prove this one way or the other. Overall, I would say that yes the US military is very smart, but the only requirements for enlisting are a GED, and a passing ASVAB score. (both can be waived, plus if you ever took the ASVAB you would know what I mean.. questions with a picture of a screw, that has a caption "which way would I turn this to tighten?" with 4 choices like clockwise, counterclockwise, push inwards, and n/a (mind you, clockwise and ccw both had diagrams of arrows for the idiots that couldnt tell the difference). again, neither of us would be able to prove this either way. There is also a huge difference in intelligence between officers and enlisted.




I don't think you can argue it. You sound like you've been in the military so you probably have first hand knowledge, but just based on facts i'm positive that the U.S military is filled with college degrees, even those outside of the officer corps. Supposedly the NCO's are the most educated in the world. An all volunteer force, regardless of the rhetoric, leads to higher pay and greater benefits which leads to more qualified/educated individuals that consider military service. I think the military has over 80% with high school diplomas in contrast with the national average that is in the 70 % range.

It makes sense there is a difference between officer and enlisted based on 4 years of maturity and a college degree. I have taken the ASVAB and although it is an easy test it hardly can gauge the smarts that is indicitive of what I would consider an intelligent individual.


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: looner2]
    #5101136 - 12/24/05 09:29 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't think you can argue it.




well that is something we can agree upon!

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You sound like you've been in the military so you probably have first hand knowledge




yes, but first hand knowledge is meaningless, considering I only worked on 3-4 bases, and i only worked with 2 other enlisted members.. the rest were officers and ex-military contractors.

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based on facts i'm positive that the U.S military is filled with college degrees, even those outside of the officer corps.




also, i agree. however college degrees do not equate to being properly educated.

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Supposedly the NCO's are the most educated in the world.




I agree once more, I hope I'm not coming down with something  :grin:

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An all volunteer force, regardless of the rhetoric, leads to higher pay and greater benefits which leads to more qualified/educated individuals that consider military service.




well, i for one, joined just for the GI bill (which i ended up losing literally 2-3 days after i finished paying for it over two years).  I almost entered the bootstrap program, but after a few years in the service, i realized that being in the military was not in my best interest.  the pay and benefits are great, no doubt about that.
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I think the military has over 80% with high school diplomas in contrast with the national average that is in the 70 % range.




well, this is somewhat of a skewed statement.  the air force will not accept anyone without a GED or diploma.  Same with the navy and army I believe, however they have more waivers.  The marines, well thats a diff animal all together.  in fact when signing up for the military, i considered the marines first, and the recruiter told me "i respect you son, you have the education to join the air force and become anything you want, but you have the courage to join the marines and be a hero."  I asked him to repeat that, got out of my chair and went across the hall to enlist in the USAF.  :grin:

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It makes sense there is a difference between officer and enlisted based on 4 years of maturity and a college degree.




college degree, yes.  maturity, HELL HELL HELL NO.
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I have taken the ASVAB and although it is an easy test it hardly can gauge the smarts that is indicitive of what I would consider an intelligent individual.




so we are back to square one  :thumbup:

to quote a really smart guy: "I don't think you can argue it."


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: kotik]
    #5101323 - 12/24/05 10:43 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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i am pretty young (22),



Pretty young? LOL!

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but I remember school pretty well, and to be honest I don't think the education was all that.



I'm 48. Believe me, it was much more than it is today.

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I learned more on my own time than at school.



Most of us do. So what?

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since it would be innaccurate to base my thoughts on my own experience, it doesnt help that the fuckin public education system is controlled by the same people that make the laws and make the jails.



True enough.

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without googling some sources to back up this claim, i would be so bold as to say home-schooled children are smarter than those that goto public schools.



It's been shown many times to be the case. Again, so what?

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i dont think that americans are stupid, or that kids are too stupid..



Many Americans are stupid. And sadly it gets worse with each generation.

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but the education system is designed to keep feeding the economy with busy-body workers, and little else.



Yup. Those damn social policies again.


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5101400 - 12/24/05 11:04 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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I disagree. You may be to young to remember but once upon a time you were actually expected to learn while in school.

I think the reason social policies have failed us is because they were badly thought out to begin with.




apparently you didnt...and instead of flunking you out like they should have..the schools decided to lower their standards instead...


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5101841 - 12/24/05 12:43 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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I disagree. You may be to young to remember but once upon a time you were actually expected to learn while in school.

I think the reason social policies have failed us is because they were badly thought out to begin with.




apparently you didnt...and instead of flunking you out like they should have..the schools decided to lower their standards instead...



The best you can do is resort to a "lame flame"?


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5101916 - 12/24/05 01:00 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

i grew up in florida, and i can personally vouch for the whole lower standards thing. they were having ahuge problem with kids failing, and the overall passing rates were horrible. so instead of hiring more teachers, or something like that, they decided to lower the grading scale, so that 90 and above was an A, 80 above was B, etc. etc.


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5102455 - 12/24/05 03:49 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Banned for flaming.



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    #5102523 - 12/24/05 04:16 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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You sexist pig. You are a part of the patriarchal oppression machine.

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    #5105132 - 12/25/05 04:08 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

obviously meant as sarcasm..but correct nonetheless...


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Re: Rasmussen Poll: Bush @ 50% [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5106241 - 12/25/05 11:31 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

50% approval connotates Bush is doing a tremendous job domestically and with foreign policy? Is Hitler's approval rating during the 1940's applicable as well? Being fair, he also whipped his own country into a nationalistic fervor much like Bush and he was tremendously popular. So, would you also agree he did a righteous job?

You wouldn't, would you? I love the logic of Conservatives.

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