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Rye Moisture Speculation...
    #5086933 - 12/20/05 07:03 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Can polyfil (1/4 inch hole, Qt jars) be packed to tightly in a jar lid?
Case in point. I have been having stupid moisture problems lately with rye jars. After a few days of incubation condensation collects on near the top of the jar and a few of the kernals begin to emit a white goo. I'm just speculating. They dry for a couple of hours after a 12-20 hour soak, no simmer and PC for 90 mins.
Anybody else exp. similar problems?


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Re: Rye Moisture Speculation... [Re: brianjamez]
    #5086944 - 12/20/05 07:07 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Tightly....umm kidna...if it's to tight it wont allow for gas exchange


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Re: Rye Moisture Speculation... [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5086959 - 12/20/05 07:14 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I have a fair amount of resistance when inserting a syringe. Should some h20 be allowed to escape through polyfil? I think this is the problem...
Anybody else wanna throw in their two cents?


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Re: Rye Moisture Speculation... [Re: brianjamez]
    #5087104 - 12/20/05 07:46 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Bump.


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Re: Rye Moisture Speculation... [Re: brianjamez]
    #5087111 - 12/20/05 07:49 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I have not done Rye yet....

I don't think you should "pore" out the extra moister.

How far along are the jars


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Re: Rye Moisture Speculation... [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5087140 - 12/20/05 08:00 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

3.5 days of incubation @ 84.5 degrees


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Re: Rye Moisture Speculation... [Re: brianjamez]
    #5087185 - 12/20/05 08:15 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Well I think it might be to early to tell either way...


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Re: Rye Moisture Speculation... [Re: brianjamez]
    #5087304 - 12/20/05 08:44 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

In most cases white goo or yellow cloudy stuff is a bacteria contam. Myc piss looks like yellow water if it is cloudy looking it is almost always a bacteria contam.

Here is a jar just after pc

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Re: Rye Moisture Speculation... [Re: Magash]
    #5088638 - 12/21/05 06:30 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Even after 90 mins of PC? Any suggestions?


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Re: Rye Moisture Speculation... [Re: brianjamez]
    #5088758 - 12/21/05 07:39 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

put tyvek under the lid and loosen the polyfil a bit.


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Re: Rye Moisture Speculation... [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #5088998 - 12/21/05 09:19 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

your problem is too much moisture before pressure cooking. what i do is boil a pot of water. when she is boiling pour in how much rye you will need. turn your flame to low and allow to simmer for 30-40 minutes but no longer. when 40 minutes is up, starin thourghly. i think the steam from the simmer helps get rid of some moisture. after that cools for about 1 and half hours wrap your hand in a paper towel and run it between the grains to absorbs excess moisture on the outsides. when finished, load your jars and sterilize as usuall. when the jars cool shake them to mix the moist grain with the dry grain. allow a day for the moisture to reappear. shake once more then inncoulate. this helps balance the moisture out better over a very small period of 1-2 days. good luck it took me about 2-3 weeks to get perfect moisture content down.

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Re: Rye Moisture Speculation... [Re: thenewguy05]
    #5091458 - 12/21/05 08:50 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Will do. I'll try anything at this point


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Re: Rye Moisture Speculation... [Re: brianjamez]
    #5091695 - 12/21/05 10:13 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

If you still have a problem with your grain being too wet. You can try this. After you simmer for 30 Min's or so, and then drain for 45 Min's. You can add 1 quart of dry vermiculite per 7 quarts of simmered and drained grain. Mix the verm with the grain thoroughly so that every kernel is coated with a bit of verm. This also makes the grain easier to shake. Then sterilize 90 Min's at 15 psi like normal.


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Re: Rye Moisture Speculation... [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5096992 - 12/23/05 06:32 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I like that I idea alot. Will try tomorrow.


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Re: Rye Moisture Speculation... [Re: brianjamez]
    #5097150 - 12/23/05 08:14 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

i followed magash's tek "from syringe to prin using rye" my first time (and only time as of yet, but the jars i'm whipping up right now are the same way) and they came out great!

if u soak the rye for 12-24 hours first, then simmer for 20-45 minutes then you'll ebnd up with great moisture content. soaking germinates allt he bacterial endospores and mold spores n shit in the rye, they are more vulnerable after that. then u simmer the grain, stirring often, until u notice that about 5-10% but nomore than 10% of the kernals are poping open, the opened ones look like a soggy crumb of bread or something. thats all the starch showing through because of the hull isnt there. magash recommended about 45 mins, but i got there by 20 mins over the same simmer. oh yea and simmer, don't boil, meaning like almost the lowest heat setting you have on your burner.


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