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OfflineOJ
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Getting ready for Panaeolus subbalteatus
    #509645 - 01/04/02 02:02 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Hello fellow shroom hunters, after a successfull season of Cyan hunting, i feel that i will not be able to identify Pan Subbs come season because of how easy they are to identify...

Anyways, i was wondering if anyone has any tips on hunting for Panaeolus subbalteatus?

I got spoiled running into patches of BLUE cyans all over :)

now i need to work a little for my free drugs =]

thank you
- OJAY


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Re: Getting ready for Panaeolus subbalteatus [Re: OJ]
    #509929 - 01/04/02 10:21 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Check horse pastures, around rotted hay stacks etc...Find out where your local horse stable is and ask them where they dump their manure pits and old stable bedding, find out where a few popular horse back trails. Also, check piles of old rotted grass clippings where people dump them year after year, subbs love grass clippings here in the southeast.


Mainly just check around horse pastures, riding trails, stables, or anywhere else horses might frequent.


LK,


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Re: Getting ready for Panaeolus subbalteatus [Re: OJ]
    #509943 - 01/04/02 10:56 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

And when you're done doing that, let me know so that you can show me the pan subbs! I fear that I have 0 luck finding those mushrooms. A guide like you would be cool!
Stay cool!-Levi7.


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Re: Getting ready for Panaeolus subbalteatus [Re: Levi7]
    #510015 - 01/04/02 12:51 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

lets make it a group excursion...


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Re: Getting ready for Panaeolus subbalteatus [Re: OJ]
    #510114 - 01/04/02 03:18 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Hi,
For Panaeolus subbalteqatus, I suggest that you check my article, "Close Encoun ters of the Panaeolus Kind" posted here in the General Info section of the Shroomery.

I list several locations for finding Panaeolus subbalteatus inthe Pacific Northwest United States.

This mushroom is as potent as P. cubensis by weight.

One ounce or more of fresh mushrooms or from 10 to 25 or morre equaling a fresh ounce of shrooms or from 3-5 dried grams.

That dosage would be equivalent to a Mazatec ceremonial dosage of P. caerulescens or P. cubensis.

The high is kind of cartoony and very fast int he form of a tea, a preferred method in Oregon to eating these shrooms which fruit abundantly in rotted hay.

mj


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Re: Getting ready for Panaeolus subbalteatus [Re: mjshroomer]
    #510168 - 01/04/02 04:07 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

MJ, I would bet my right arm that subbs aren't as potent as cubes, and I know many here will back that up. Maybe sometimes when a freak strain is grows under ideal conditions they can rival cubes, but this isn't the norm at all!! I would be more than happy to send you an ounce of dried specimens come spring time for your bioassying pleasures, I promise they aren't as potent as cubies. I've eaten 15 dried grams and barely had a threshold experiance. I know subbs can get kinda potent, but its definitely a rarity.


LK,


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Re: Getting ready for Panaeolus subbalteatus [Re: Lizard King]
    #510363 - 01/04/02 08:03 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

LK,

Sorry to disappoint you but I am sure that maybe you had consumed a variation of Panaeolus subbalteatus.

All labortatory analysis of this species shows it is potent at 3-5 dried grams or approximately one fresh ounce to an ounce and a half.

Stijve, Ott and Bigwood, Gatz and others including Lincoff and Pollock have all reported this species at the dosage I listed above.

I have bioassayed this species on many ocassions and found them to give me a rewarding altered state of consiousness which was pleasant and colorful and cartoony.

I have picked them in Oregon at the Corvalis airport for more than 25 years and everyone who consumed them from that field has also found them to be okay at the dosage I presented.

Cubies still take up to a fresh ounce and from three to five dried grams or more and they are actually the least potent of shrooms.

Even Conocybe cyanopus takes from 75 mushrooms fresh but that would be approx. one third of a fresh ounce. they are small shrooms. while cubensis is the largest of the Psilocybine producing shrooms it is also the weakest of the shrooms by weight.

I also noticed that Panaeolus subbalteatus picked from rotting haystacks seemed to be a tad more potent when compared with manure (dung-inhabiting) variations. There are at least three subspecies in this species.

ANyway have a shroomy new year.

mj


Edited by mjshroomer (01/04/02 08:08 PM)


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Re: Getting ready for Panaeolus subbalteatus [Re: mjshroomer]
    #510429 - 01/04/02 09:43 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

let the Pan subb war begin...hehe..but seriously...as I have never tried Pan subbs, I cannot really say anything. But how about everyone who has tried them, post their bioassays here...and we shall see. I have noticed the varying strengths of other mushrooms though...for example thefirst time I tried Gymnopolis spectabilis...it was the craziest amazingmushroom trip I have ever had...then I tried some from a different patch and they were not as good, so I think you are both right...now how about guys have a go at identifying my unidentified mushrooms in this forum instead...hehe. Cheers


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Re: Getting ready for Panaeolus subbalteatus [Re: mjshroomer]
    #510825 - 01/05/02 10:13 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Its ok to debate, we don't have to have a subb war :)

Actually MJ, Stijve and kuyper found a maxima of .14% psilocybin and no psilocin. From brazilian specimens they found .08% psilocybin and no detectable psilocin. Gartz found .7 psilocybin and no psilocin. Gurevich found between .14-.36% psilocybin from specimens collected in russia and siberia.


You can see how much they can vary in potency, they definitely ain't as potent as cubies on average. I know they have the ability to be quite potent, but it isn't common, and your more likely to find the weak variations before you stumble across the more potent variations. It may have to do with time of year and habitat more than actual species variation. I remember about 7-8 different folks on the shroomery last spring that found subbs and all of them complained how they were very weak and sometimes inactive. Then you have people like mitchnast, woodsman, and yourself that experiance a good potency from these mushrooms. Again this points towards my theory that your more likely to find weak variations before you find potent variations of this species. Just do a search in this forum and look a how many folks have had encounters with weak variations compared to potent.

BTW: I too have picked subbs from rotted haystacks and noticed no potency difference.

LK,


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