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Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God?
    #5095610 - 12/22/05 08:19 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Please be serious, I am curious about the results.
Do you believe Jesus was the son of God?
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Do you believe Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus?
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Do you believe you will go to heaven if you believe Jesus was the Son of God?
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Do you believe Jesus was secretly Married and had offspring?
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Do you believe the new testament is a deception created so you can be controlled?
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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5095649 - 12/22/05 08:26 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Do you believe you will go to heaven if you believe Jesus was the Son of God?

Believing isn't enough. If you believe that he is the son of God and refuse his gift of salvation, then you won't go to heaven.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: shroomydan]
    #5095797 - 12/22/05 09:06 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

OK shroomerydan I knew this would happen, I retyped this poll 3 times knowing someone would find a flaw but I am assuming that if you believe Jesus is the son of God that you will go to heaven. After all is it not written that believing in the son of God also qualifies you for salvation?

03/28/06 After reading the bible and converting: Yes you are right your do have to accept his gift of salvation, for even the demons believe he is the son of God yet they are not saved.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5095872 - 12/22/05 09:22 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Srirachi]
    #5095970 - 12/22/05 10:02 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you Screenprinter! I was so hoping I would get posts like that!
Bible quotes or any thoughts on this are welcome!!!

By the way, I am not Religious yet, but love to hear ANY opinion.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5096912 - 12/23/05 04:31 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Jesus was the David Blane of his day JK


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5108353 - 12/26/05 06:39 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

  • He was a "Son of God" in the sense that we are all children of God. What really made him special was his full attainment of Christ Consciousness.

  • As for the virgin birth, I have my doubts, but would not discount the idea entirely.

  • I do not believe salvation is a matter of what you believe, nor do I believe salvation is on an individual basis. Rather, I believe that salvation is for all mankind, and that it can only occur when we collectively attain Chist Consciousness, and awaken to the Christ within.

  • I neither know nor care whether or not Jesus had offspring. What is important is his gift of salvation through his teachings.

  • The synoptic gospels are an informative but incomplete view of Jesus. As for the control factor, no. The books of the New Testament were not written with the intention to decieve or control. However, the Church did organize the New Testament in the way it is with the intention of promoting its perspective and censoring alternative views of Christ. So in this way, its organization is control-oriented, but that was not the original intention in its authorship.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5112084 - 12/27/05 05:19 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

i only believe jesus was the son of god because i believe we all are 'children of god', because i believe we are all one with god, no different from jesus but that many of us are not aware of the truth of love as he was.  I believe he simply represents unconditional love(i believe this is why he just took the torture, because he loved them unconditionally, he would not fight back(which would be negative, he stayed positive throughout it all).

i dont believe anyone is sent to hell for any reason because i believe god is unconditional love, nothing you can do is so horrible that youd be sent to 'hell'. i believe we ourselves go by choice into a hellish state of mind because of fear/guilt(which is the hell) of anything so bad that we have done in our lives that we cant forgive OURSELVES. the hell is being consumed with ego, void of love(which is this heaven they speak on)

i dont believe god forgives anyone, because i believe he does not have an ego to hold a grudge against us to have to forgive in the first place.

i dont believe that christianity is meant to control us, but control what we believe, yes. to have to use fear tactics to get someone to believe in something, should raise a red flag right there to show it is bullshit.  love is what i believe is important and needed to get people to believe. telling someone that a loving god would burn someone forever with no remorse is just ridiculous. i believe there is a lot of truth hidden in metaphors in the christian religion, but i also believe it is overlooked or misunderstood by many(because of the doom and gloom fear tactic!).

i believe there is truth in all religions and lies in all religions. because we are human we have ego's and of course not everything will be perfect, as claimed by the christians and their holy bible(another red flag to me, aint nobody perfect and dont nobody know everything, not even jesus knew EVERYTHING, i do not believe this. i believe he was very very advanced soul though. very advanced)

that is my piece. and i wont be back to comment further, i had too many people hate on my beliefs here in the past to even want to discuss anything, i just drop a line and bye bye. take it how you want to. :heart:


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5115442 - 12/28/05 01:41 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

He was or could have been an incarnation of I AM. It doesn't mater if he was real or not. If the idea leads people back to Truth then it's all good. Be still and know that I AM is where all of this comes from........ it's the bridge to the UNKNOWN


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Srirachi]
    #5115804 - 12/28/05 03:52 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Just reading that makes me cringe...


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: daba]
    #5174567 - 01/12/06 10:13 PM (18 years, 19 days ago)

I don't believe in god.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5174952 - 01/13/06 12:36 AM (18 years, 19 days ago)

So more people believe in the virgin birth than the idea that jesus is the son of god?  That makes sense  :ohwell:


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: DieCommie]
    #5177984 - 01/13/06 06:22 PM (18 years, 18 days ago)

Depends on your definition as such. Medically, it is a possibility that if you ejaculate on a woman's labia, she can become pregnant while not being penetrated and therefore retaining her virginity. Perhaps Mary had guys relieve themselves as such multiple times a day, and it finally caught up with her?

Just kidding, of course. I doubt she was a virgin; after all, if random men were masturbating on her, chances are she wouldn't care much about her virginity to begin with.

Obviously, it's all bullshit obscured and mystified by the passing of time.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Ravus]
    #5188938 - 01/16/06 09:08 PM (18 years, 15 days ago)

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Obviously, it's all bullshit obscured and mystified by the passing of time.



Now this is truth at its best.
I agree completely.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5213591 - 01/23/06 09:40 AM (18 years, 9 days ago)

This is the reason I don't believe one word out of the bible. First off the bible has been recompiled multiple times. Sometimes by unknown people. It has been translated from aramaic to greek. Then from greek to latin. Then from latin to English. Anyone who speaks another language knows that translations never convey the true meaning of the original text. This is due to cultural diferrencs and the fact that one language might not even have a suitable word to match the other language. Of course it's quite easy to translate something and add your own bias. *cough* King James *cough* Does anyone here realize how diferrently Hebrews or even Greeks thought than us. In Hebrew most words had double or triple meanings. I don't mean like slight diferrences. In Hebrew, love and light are the same word for example, so they considered love and light to be the samething. Also every number was a letter. 1=aleph 2=beth so on. They had an entire branch of their mystical system devoted to changing letters and numbers around to encode symbolism. The fact is you can't study the bible unless you have a Hebrew copy and know how to use Notarikon. The King James bible is a sad, miscronstrued, spectre of its original self. (If you haven't noticed I feel strongly about this issue) Ok now that I've babbled, if there really is am omnipotent God, he would know how misunderstood his scriptures were. If God is up there and it expects me to devote my life to it, living suppressed and in fear, because of a book that was written almost 2,000, he can go to hell. Jesus attended the mystery schools in Egypt. That means he had to go through an initiation which involved MAGIC MUSHROOMS. In my opinion Jesus and his disciples were running around tripping trying to enlighten people and the old jews started get worried. People were starting to question authority. So they crucified him. Damn. I knew I shouldn't have gotten started. I'll let you guys chew on that for a while.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5214016 - 01/23/06 01:02 PM (18 years, 9 days ago)

This is the reason I don't believe one word out of the bible. First off the bible has been recompiled multiple times. Sometimes by unknown people. It has been translated from aramaic to greek. Then from greek to latin. Then from latin to English. Anyone who speaks another language knows that translations never convey the true meaning of the original text. This is due to cultural diferrencs and the fact that one language might not even have a suitable word to match the other language. Of course it's quite easy totranslate something and add your own bias. *cough* King James *cough* Does anyone here realize how diferrently Hebrews or even Greeks thought than us. In Hebrew most words had double or triple meanings. I don't mean like slight diferrences. In Hebrew, love and light are the same word for example. Also every number was a letter. 1=aleph 2=beth so on. They had an entire branch of their mystical system devoted to changing letters and numbers around to encode symbolism. The fact is you can't study the bible unless you have a Hebrew copy and know how to use Notarikon. The King James bible is a sad, miscronstrued, spectre of its original self. (If you haven't noticed I feel strongly about this issue) Ok now that I've babbled, if there really is am omnipotent God, he would know how misunderstood his scriptures were. If God is up there and it expects me to devote my life to it, living suppressed and in fear, because of a book that was written almost 2,000, he can go to hell. Jesus attended the mystery schools in Egypt. That means he had to go through an initiation which involved MAGIC MUSHROOMS. In my opinion Jesus and his disciples were running around tripping trying to enlighten peole and the old jews started get worried. People were starting to question authority. So they crucified him. Damn. I knew I shouldn't have gotten started. I'll let you guys chew on that for a while.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Sinthetic]
    #5219838 - 01/24/06 10:06 PM (18 years, 7 days ago)

Even if the Bible was a completely accurate copy of the original writings with no errors, biases or purposeful omissions, it'd still just be another book in my eyes.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Ravus]
    #5220539 - 01/25/06 02:46 AM (18 years, 7 days ago)

the important parts of the bible are teh secret codes sinthetic its the themes and ideas that run throughout it. All the paranormal stuff means nothing ot me even if it is real. God may have started out making people believe him through fear, but My thoughts on the whole new testament was that he wanted people to get along and follow him for love of each other and all things he created for us. So yes Jesus was a nature lovin hippy(didnt know about those mushroom rituals but ive always had a hunch that most "divine revelations and visions" were accidental doses various phychedelics). I think he smoked hella hash from afganistan too but thast just a hunch. And your damn right thats why the jews killed him he would have destroyed everything that they had built for themselves cant have that now can we?

and ravus have you actually read the bible?

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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: blaze2]
    #5222256 - 01/25/06 03:44 PM (18 years, 7 days ago)

I've read the majority of the Bible, though not the entire thing.

As I said, the Bible is just another book to me- sometimes it's long-winded and boring, other times it's well-written and awesome. Revelations is my favorite part, but I find Genesis, for example, to be extremely dull. Why exactly do I need to read a page-long list of all these people it never mentions again and how many years they lived?

I've read most of the New Testament, but parts of the Old Testament just couldn't hold my attention.

I'd still pick Hunter S. Thompson as a better writer than the ancient Christians/ Jews any day.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Ravus]
    #5224747 - 01/26/06 02:45 AM (18 years, 6 days ago)

I agree Ravus the geneoligies in the old testament are quite boring, but you must understand that we are not the original audience. Back in teh day your lineage was mucho importante, and led credence to the rest of the story. Its alot like how in a science fiction novel, an auther might use actual science to support some crazy new invention.

I find the first few chapters of Genesis quite good if you read them metaphoricly and not literaly they are surprisingly close to how the scientists say things went, if you ignore the whole he made the world in a week thing. People just read it wrong alot its not saying "and he made birds exactly as we see them, and they have never changed" Its just saying he made birds and here they are, for instance.

I have never been to chuch(my parents didnt believe in it), so when i started reading the bible last year(im 21 now) I think i came at with a clean slate that most people dont get to experiance. I had never been told "this means this and that means that, adn dammit thats the way it is son". So i didnt have to unlearn the mistakes and predijuces of others, i just have to worry about my own mistakes. I still havent finished it, and i pretty much start skipping when it gets to those long ass lists of names too dont feel bad. Revelations is my fav part too, if only it would happen...

All that said i was a complete agnostic if not atheist before i read the Bible, now I consider myself a christian(a real one not one of the phoneys that go to church)

I cant figure out for the life of me why people think church is great when more than once in the book they say is Gods Word he explicity says that you should worship by yourself. Not to mention all churches are based on money ("money is the root of all evil" and all that jazz) and power ("power allways currupts").

As Jesus had a habit of saying "Oh ye hippocrites"...

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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: blaze2]
    #5296735 - 02/13/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

What little faith we have. Guess most of us here aren't ready...........yet


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5449896 - 03/28/06 03:01 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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What little faith we have. Guess most of us here aren't ready...........yet




Whenever this discussion comes up, which is a lot, there's someone like you. I'm not saying having faith is a bad thing. but to me, you devote your life to having faith in God, so you will go to heaven, because you're scared of death. The thought of death haunts you so you rely on a fantasy afterlife. The more facts are thrown at you, the more fearful you get, the more faithful you get. I hate telling people how to live there life, because I hate people telling me how to live mine, so if this faith that you will go to heaven when you die gets you through life, then so be it.. more power to you.. But don't play the "people don't have faith anymore" card. It's bs. Live your life, have an opinion, but don't force your opinion on people, and don't look down upon people who don't share your opinion.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: hoboblues]
    #5452050 - 03/28/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Actually I'm not afraid of all of Death. Sorry if I gave you the indication that I was telling you how to live your life, but I am just stating what I believe in.

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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5452855 - 03/28/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

more my fault.. i read it when I was already a bit angry for other reasons. Sorry for judging you like i did.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: hoboblues]
    #5452877 - 03/28/06 08:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i hate religion, invented by man to control man.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: sunit]
    #5452941 - 03/28/06 08:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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i hate religion, invented by man to control man.




I doubt thats what it's main intent was. It may seem like that now, only because so many people are for it. I'd say it's main intent was to preserve what's good in people. But, what they didn't know was you don't have to believe in God, or follow a religion to be a good person. That's just one small reason, though, i'm sure there's many, many others.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5453336 - 03/28/06 10:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hi,
First off let me note all of what im about to say has been greatly influenced by my journeys with our mushrooms friends. anyways lets get to the nonsense. :smile:

I for one dont believe most of whats been taught to me in church. Because of this i've been working on my own ideas. If im going to believe in a story i'd rather it be my own because lets be honest, none of us know wtf happend/is happening/will happen.

I do believe in a higher power, a big eyeball in the sky(<3 claypool), a taco grande. Be it the conventional God or whatever you wish. Though i like to believe God is in fact just a part of our own being. Something on the lines of our higher consciousness, or even perhaps an alternate of our form. When i say alternate i mean a future\past more evolved form of ourselves which has maybe gone into hiding or simply moved along the conveyer belt to the next step of assembly.

Building on the idea of a higher evolved human spirit/mind i want to say maybe god doesnt exist, yet. Maybe we create god in the future. Allow me to use this definition from dictionary.com
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  1A. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.
  1B. The force, effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being.

2. A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.

3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol.
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I'm particularly fond of 1B but i think they all hold truth. God is simply what we percieve ourselves to be if we were perfect. (i use the word perfect loosly btw. who are we to define perfection)

My ideas are loosely compiled at this point but it all ties together. Hopefully it all makes sense to you guys. But for now lets leave god and move to the subject of Mary's virginity. Do i believe she was virgin when she gave birth to jesus? yes its definetly possible. What if...Jesus was simply a man, a human, of the future(or the past) sent to that point in time to accomplish something. he wasnt supernatural, he was just superhuman, wired in a way we cant understand. Jesus is the result of an evolutionary technology, Born in a time far from his  own.
Anyways, how did the baby get in the belly? Lets imagine our planet on the verge of destruction, an apocalypse of some kind. Something so great that human life as we know it is at risk of being lost. As a last ditch effort of hope we unleash a technology so powerfull it could be as/more damaging as the imminent destruction. the technology is the act of time travel(please disgard any silly notions you may have regarding time travel and take this for what it is). We send a small devise, a seed, something like this. Sent back as a grain, a drop of water, a mushroom in the field, anything. We send it back to a time when the human race was still pure enough to be repaired. A time when we could still prevent the skew which brought us to the current position. This device makes its way to a woman named Mary and she becomes pregnant. Pregnant with a child from another stage in human evolution.

Jesus is born. His sole reason for existing is to save the human race.  Not to save the people who were about to die in an unimaginable cotastrophy, but to save the race, to give humanity a second chance, a near fresh start at becoming something great. This event brings us to where we are now. living history version 2.

welp thats my idea. sounds kind of outrageous but it is quite plausable.

allow me to emphasise that is not my belief of the truth. it is just a story that i came up with that seems to make good sense.
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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: waixingren]
    #5468003 - 04/01/06 03:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't need to believe in Jesus. I just believe in myself. I think religion is usually meaningless and controlling


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: lovethemush]
    #5474670 - 04/03/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

first off nice avatar lovethemush Jimmy Page is one of my favorites.

But I must dissagree with what you said. "religion" isnt the problem, its "organized religions" which are both "controlling and meaningless". I worship God everyday by myself I interperet the Bible for myself. God does not belong to churches.

"lift a stone and you will find me, turn a leaf and I am there" or soemthing like that. its one of my favorite lines of the bible, not one of the churches of course.

Religion for me isnt rules I must follow. To me its like the path that guides you through a forest at times it dissapears completely, it crosses streams, and all around is life to distract you. There is nothing wrong with leaving the path and exploring new places as long as you return to the trail and your journey through life. stray too far and you risk losing the path altogether. Although in actuality I'm pretty sure the path is never really that far from you, because it IS you. Its your baseline, your self and soul in its most natural state.

I dont know if that makes much sense to you, but someday it might. The point is that to worship God one needs only to walk the path. And your right you dont need to believe in Jesus, but you do need to believe his teachings.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: waixingren]
    #5478846 - 04/04/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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My ideas are loosely compiled at this point but it all ties together. Hopefully it all makes sense to you guys. But for now lets leave god and move to the subject of Mary's virginity. Do i believe she was virgin when she gave birth to Jesus? yes its definitely possible. What if...Jesus was simply a man, a human, of the future(or the past) sent to that point in time to accomplish something. he wasn't supernatural, he was just superhuman, wired in a way we cant understand. Jesus is the result of an evolutionary technology, Born in a time far from his own.
Anyways, how did the baby get in the belly? Lets imagine our planet on the verge of destruction, an apocalypse of some kind. Something so great that human life as we know it is at risk of being lost. As a last ditch effort of hope we unleash a technology so powerful it could be as/more damaging as the imminent destruction. the technology is the act of time travel(please discard any silly notions you may have regarding time travel and take this for what it is). We send a small devise, a seed, something like this. Sent back as a grain, a drop of water, a mushroom in the field, anything. We send it back to a time when the human race was still pure enough to be repaired. A time when we could still prevent the skew which brought us to the current position. This device makes its way to a woman named Mary and she becomes pregnant. Pregnant with a child from another stage in human evolution.

Jesus is born. His sole reason for existing is to save the human race. Not to save the people who were about to die in an unimaginable catastrophe, but to save the race, to give humanity a second chance, a near fresh start at becoming something great. This event brings us to where we are now. living history version 2.

whelp thats my idea. sounds kind of outrageous but it is quite plausible.

allow me to emphasise that is not my belief of the truth. it is just a story that i came up with that seems to make good sense.
any criticism positive or negative appreciated.

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This is one example of something I see too much of today. Someone taking something based on fact and turning it into something that is not true & something they want you to believe, or they themselves want to believe. I am not saying you are doing this waixingren, I am just using your post as an example of something I see to much of today. Many people do it without even knowing, I used to, until I saw the light when I found God. He showed me the truth.

Jesus did come here to save the world. He just isn't doing in the way waixingren, described.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5479124 - 04/04/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Can you post why you believe in Jesus? Make it good.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Sinthetic]
    #5479406 - 04/04/06 02:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Can you post why you believe in Jesus? Make it good.





Before I was born my mother had 3 miscarriages (she was childless before I was born) and was afraid she couldn't carry a child to full term. She wanted to have kids, and wasn't sure who to pray to so she prayed to the Virgin Mary, since she being a mother would understand.
The Virgin Mary appeared to my mother and said that she would be blessed many times. The next day she went to the doctor and found out she was pregnant (with me).

I was born and raised catholic. Went to Church every week with my family until college. I believed in Jesus as the son of God then mostly with my mind, but not with my heart, there was some doubt.

My path to Jesus, recently was a unusual one.

From college to about 4 months ago I have been in search of the truth of what is really going on in the world as I know there is much deception.

I tried searching the internet reading books based on conspiracies, bible code, aliens, pole shifts, metaphysics, etc. I learned that many people took facts and turned them into what they wanted to believe was true, I learned this gradually after doing MUCH searching.

Then after missing Christmas mass for the first time ever in my life I felt guilty and decided to pray, and asked God if the truth is even out there, if it is possible for us (which I knew we were deceived) could know the truth. This was a very emotional & tearful pray. (Now up until that time I had discovered that some of what I used to consider thoughts or Ideas were actually angels communicating with me. They taught me many things up until then) I heard one of these angelic voices in my head speak louder than usual and told me the truth can be found, then the voice changed while speaking from a male voice to a female voice and said she was really the Virgin Mary had been speaking to me in the other voice before because that was the only one I would listen to.

A week later I tripped on shrooms to see what would happen, an angel casually told me (inside my head) the year in which the Anti Christ would appear. I was shocked and wondered why he never told me before, and couldn't believe how it could be so soon.

The next time I tripped on shrooms, at one point during the trip I was scared cause of what the angel had said, then God spoke loudly in my head and said I had nothing to be afraid of, he comforted me and begin to unveil my purpose which he had planned for me since birth.

Looking back from my earliest childhood memories until now I saw all kinds of proof, many of them little things that all hinted to my purpose. How could I be so blind I kept thinking.

Since my last shroom trip (I have quit for good now) I have been praying from the heart, Mary introduced me to God, and God introduced me to Jesus.

I begin being filled with the holy spirit (feels mostly like mescaline) little bits at a time through prayer and fasting. I was stone cold sober all of the times this happened.

I then came to realize that after having believed in my heart, and accepted Christ as the son of God and savior, the the spirit of Christ was within me. I began to find it harder and harder to sin and have been losing he desire to.

Then Jesus and Mary began talking to me more than the voice of God in my head, and told me that THEY were the voice of God in my head. They say God is far to complex for any human to understand and they communicate what God is trying to tell us, for us so we can understand. They say when they speak to other religions that don't believe in Christ they don't switch to there true selves but go on letting them believe they are the one true God. They speak to us in the language of our beliefs in the context of our thoughts.
I personally KNOW Jesus is the son of God literally,God created Jesus & Jesus created our universe.

There is much more to this story then that, but I could literally write a book on why I believe in Jesus Christ as the son of God. Hope this helps.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5479698 - 04/04/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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A week later a tripped on shrooms to see what would happen, an angel told casual told me (inside my head) the year in which the Anti Christ would appear.



What year would that be?


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5479806 - 04/04/06 04:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

He is only telling his faithful servants so we can do his will, it would interfere with God's plan if I told you. You could become one of his faithful servants if you so choose to and find out.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5479856 - 04/04/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If he tells me, can we compare notes to see if we got the same answer?


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5480238 - 04/04/06 07:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Why would you need to compare notes with me if God told you? You don't trust God?


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5480356 - 04/04/06 07:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

perhaps he doesnt trust you


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: waixingren]
    #5480880 - 04/04/06 10:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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perhaps he doesnt trust you



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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5481728 - 04/05/06 06:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You don't have to trust me, just trust God.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5481837 - 04/05/06 07:39 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I feel really sorry for you. You've been raised in an environment of fear and doubt. You knew it yourself and tried desperately to find something else to hold on to, until eventually you felt so guilty you went back. Don't you see how they use fear and guilt to make you keep coming back? i don't want to offend anyone and I'll probably get flamed, but I'm starting to think Christian faith is a mental disorder. You also describe yourself as being psycotic. You know that right?


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Sinthetic]
    #5481870 - 04/05/06 07:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

I say this things not of my authority but of God's. I say these things for the greater good of mankind so that you may know the truth for there are many false prophets and liars among us. If you choose to believe the lies that there is no God or Jesus is not the son of God, & that salvation cannot be found through him, then you do not seek the truth or the things in which I speak.

For a man cannot be saved by his own works, but only through Christ, whom through the whole world might be saved.

God bless,

I will be praying that God may enter your life so that the truth may be known to you.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5482675 - 04/05/06 12:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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You don't have to trust me, just trust God.



Already there, buddy.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5487947 - 04/06/06 09:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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You don't have to trust me, just trust God.




Tell him that I'd need to see some ID first.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5489095 - 04/07/06 07:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

God shows you ID alright, but it isn't what you think it is.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5489388 - 04/07/06 09:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You still haven't told me why you're christian besides being raised catholic and unable to alter the programming you received as a child.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Sinthetic]
    #5489689 - 04/07/06 11:32 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I am a Christian because I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior, and have permitted him to enter me and take control of my life.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5489748 - 04/07/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I voted no on most of the choices up there. Man this poll must piss a lot of people (Christians) off.

Jesus was a great man with great ideas. He was the first (or at least the most well known) crusader for human rights. What we project upon him does not matter. He wasn't out to be named god or the son of god. He just did what he knew was right... and he was prosecuted for it. Him and his "like minded community", what was mis-translated as church, went around exposing the evils of the established religion and he was killed for it.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: shymanta]
    #5490016 - 04/07/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, he was persecuted.

Just like I am persecuted for believing in him.

Just like it is written in the New Testament that those who believe in him will be persecuted.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5490050 - 04/07/06 01:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to put anyone down. I just think that too many people think that to be a good Christian you have to believe every word of the Bible to be truth. Just because it is written doesn't make it so. The Bible is just like any other book. It has its good points and its bad points, and it can be misinterpreted.

I don't just read the Bible, I study it. I don't take it for granted, I think about it. When soandso said this or that what did they mean? How might the language have been used differently in those times and how might it change the meaning of what I am reading.

Edit: Also, who's translation am I reading? What were their motivations? And always keeping in mind that there are many missing pieces kept hidden and yet to be found.

Take nothing for granted and your eyes will be opened.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: shymanta]
    #5490253 - 04/07/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You must also realize that God can do ANYTHING.

You must also realize God's will is for us to have freedom of choice AND he wants whats best for us.

What's best for us is to be with him in heaven.

Don't you think God would of given us something to tell us how to find him?

Thats what the bible is, and more specifically the New Testament as it was written to help US find him.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: shymanta]
    #5490294 - 04/07/06 02:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

These things are true but what most people have over looked (and what Joan of Ark was killed for saying) is that god is within you. Not just a little spot in your heart or your head, but you. You are god made flesh. Looking within for god is more important that looking without. Many people search their whole lives and never think to close their eyes and look inside.

That's what she (Joan of Ark) was saying that got her killed. That you don't need someone else to tell you how to find god because he/she is with you no matter where you are or what you are doing.

My personal view is that god is the universe. As we are part of the universe, we are part of god's physical body and can not be separate from him. We're part of his nervous system. This is a metaphor on a cosmic scale.

The Bible is a good place to start, but god left us maps everywhere with which to find our way.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: shymanta]
    #5490676 - 04/07/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

That is also true, God IS within us, but we must also know how to find God within us.

There are other Spirits which are not God and are evil that can enter our thoughts and try to trick us.

Thats why God sent his son Jesus, so by knowing Jesus is the son of God, Jesus can lead us to God (within us).

But first we have to believe in Jesus.

There are evil forces at work right now that are trying to trick us into thinking Jesus is not the son of God so we cannot find God within us.

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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5490699 - 04/07/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If Jesus wasn't the son of God why did Jesus pray to his father before he was put on the crucifix..


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5490766 - 04/07/06 06:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I was not there so I cant be sure about some of these questions. Interesting how some of you say you are sure...


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    #5499333 - 04/10/06 10:16 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Dem, your logic here is completely irrational. You're telling me that you are a christian, because. You're also taking me completely wrong. I have nothing against Jesus or his teachings. Just because you base your faith on the Bible doesn't mean you have to be Christian. Are you aware that the Roman Catholic church has admitted to falsifying various parts of the Bible to make people behave the way they wanted?


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Sinthetic]
    #5499515 - 04/10/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I believe that Jesus was the Logos clothed in material flesh for, as Saint Valentinus put it, "God became a Man so that Man could become God." That doesn't mean though that I believed he was annointed by God, or chosen, but rather the personality of God grew to its fullest potential in the man Jesus. I also do not believe that the man Jesus is intact and currently living in "Heaven", as such literalist is unable to seperate the personality that was Jesus and the Divine Nature that grew in him.

I also became a Christian (Gnostic) through an extensive philosophical journey. As a teenager I was ardently an atheist and a Nietzchite bully until eventually, right after finishing high school, I began experimenting with LSD and mushrooms. This brought me to a sudden, dramatic, and legalistic conversion to the Islamic faith. For about one year I remained an Islamic counterpart of a typical evangelical, literalist Christian. I believed staunchly for sometime that Islam, and direct submission to God alone (thus exempting any reverence or understanding of Jesus) was required unconditionally for "souls" to be saved, although I had little conception of what a soul was at the time other than ideas of celestial bodies, or re-created flesh after death.

My legalistic interpretation of Islam however was in contradiction with mystical experiences I had encountered while experiencing shifts in consciousness under the influence of psychedelics. I eventually gradually began to ease up in how I understood Mysteries, until eventually abandoning Orthodox Islam in favor of Islamic mysticism, or more commonly known as Sufism.

My transition from Sunni to Sufi will always be an important one, as it highlights a greater understanding I came unto of metaphysics and Mystery. Through Sufism I began to embrace virtually all esoteric traditions, from Christian Gnosticism to Hindu mysticism, as well as Platonist and Jungian metaphysics. From a philosophical point of view, I became disillusioned with the Islamic backdrop: the insistancy on the Arabic language, and its deep seated literalism is what specifically contradicted my mystical understandings. I also felt that Islamic mysticism failed to fully articulate the divine experience, as much as esoteric Islam is not expressed through symbols, but rather poetry and verse, likely stemming from the literal tradition and nature of the Holy Qur'an, which failed produce divine symbols of intercourse as is the case with Jesus and Christians. I also felt that Islam misunderstood Tertullian's Trinity theology.

As such, and as of late in a matter of fact, I have moved on from my Islamic backdrop to fully immerse myself in the Mystery that is Christ. I have never gotten the chance to have been a literalist Christian through my spiritual growth, but today I describe myself as Christian Gnostic, whilst still combining the inner traditions of all faiths - Islam included, as there are spiritual methods in mystical Islam that I will always hold dear and treasure, such various practices of using the body itself to allow divinity to illuminate (rememberance - gnosis).

While certainly no Holy Writ is absolute and infallible (pricesly the reason I "apostated" from Islam, for its reliance on literalism), in the man Jesus I see Truth and a taste of Mystery personified. He is more than just some compassionate guy with "good teachings" (only a fool would deny these attributes in Jesus), but also the touchstone of inter-course between the Divine Reality, the Ground of Being, and the manifestation of material existence. Jesus' was pure Love and Compassion for the simple reason that the personality of God flourished in totality in Jesus, and God Herself is pure Love and Compassion.

The example of Jesus is there, I believe, to allow one to become exactly like Jesus in every sense (again the Saint Valentinus quote), to allow the Divinity within to flourish. In that sense, I am a Christian.

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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Basilides]
    #5530524 - 04/18/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

blaze2 - very well put, and yes I do believe that the majority of jesus's teachings are right.


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    #5539107 - 04/20/06 08:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Revelations is my fav part too, if only it would happen...




it happens every time history repeats itself
it happens every time a child is born
it happens every time a person dies
it happens every time you admit you are wrong
it happens every time you fall asleep
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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5549767 - 04/24/06 12:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Wow, for once I was in the majority of a responce. All my answers were. Creepy...


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5554226 - 04/25/06 07:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

no, no, no, not sure, no


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
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There are evil forces at work right now that are trying to trick us into thinking Jesus is not the son of God so we cannot find God within us.





What if those evil forces are trying to trick us into thinking Jesus IS the son of God? What if the Bible was made to trick us so that we wont find God?


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5561500 - 04/27/06 02:01 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If there really is some grand malevolent spirit dedicated to the destruction of all humanity, goodness and hope then it's greatest creation to this end was religion. The greatest divide I can think of is that between the believer and non-believer. The greatest impediment to peace and unity on this planet are the zealots shrieking to each other, "Behold my god, for he is the alpha and shall grant unto me paradise!". Pick a war, any one in history that you care to name and you will likely find religion played a part in it. Sometimes a very small part, used merely as justification or to grant some type of moral high ground to one or the other side and not really believed by either. (After all, for good or bad it's most often religions that give us our "morals".) How many leaders throughout time have said, "God is on our side." or that "This is gods will."? How many people have been slaughtered and left to rot on the field in the name of god but at the whims of politicians? Other times religion is the main focal point of the war. Almost a thousand years ago the byzantine empire initiated a crusade to take back the holy land from the heathen muslims. Later the tide of militant islam would sweep over parts of europe and as far east as the philippines. Blind faith is a powerful thing. Throughout history men have marched to the end of the earth with little more reason than, "The gods deemed it necessary." Obedience without question is the name of the game for most religions. But you don't have to be a believer to have to comply. In the USA at least, we have quite a few laws that originate from puritanical christians. IE, sodomy laws, gay marriage bans *gods hates them faerie boys*, in some states dry sundays, polygamy laws, right to die laws, bestiality *ick but..hey whatever does it for ya*, drug laws and others. That being said, just because I disapprove of religion doesn't mean I disapprove of faith. I think everyone should have faith in SOMETHING. Some ideal at least. And if believing in buddha, allah, jehova, the jesus man, eric clapton or a big fucking chartreuse umbrella creature named floyd is what helps you live your life best, go for it. I sincerely hope it works for you. But don't fuck with someone else just because they think your god, while interesting, is a fairy tale. Don't pass laws that discriminate against me because I don't buy your beliefs, then cry about intolerance when I lash out about it. You come off as a hypocrite and we both leave pissed and divided. That goes for all the folks out there who think being an atheist means telling christians that they're ignorant. Sooo, sorry if I offended anyone with my little rant there. I'm aware of the many positive aspects of organized religion, I just feel the cons outweigh the pro's. And in case anyone was wondering, I'm not an atheist. I just think it's an act of hubris to think you know anything at all of whats going on in our weird ass universe. Again though, each to his own. And all you crazy christians out there, wasn't singling you out with my examples. I just happen to live in the USA so I catch more flack from christianity, and vice versa, then from islam or shinto.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: EmpTyCLosEtSpAcE]
    #5572454 - 04/29/06 11:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'm atheist. oops let the cat out of the bag.. :thumbdown:


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Golden_Lizard]
    #5574152 - 04/30/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm atheist. oops let the cat out of the bag.. :thumbdown:




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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: whatever123]
    #5963799 - 08/14/06 07:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

we're all the sons of god


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: ShroominFL]
    #5967823 - 08/15/06 10:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I believe yes, he is, and also they are the same person/being. To try to understand everything about what god is, what he wants, how to be saved, etc, could make you go crazy. I accept that I definitally can't understand it all, and the best I can do is try to be the best person I can possibly be. I am sure that is what God wants... By being the best person you can possibly be, you are accepting jesus/god.

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she prayed to the Virgin Mary




I don't get that. Why do catholics pray to Mary? You're supposed to pray to god/jesus. And the fact that catholics call the pope "the holy father" is why I can't say I aggree with the whole catholic thing (as I consider it idolatry, or something like that). God is the holy father, not some dude who is chosen by other people.

But... If you could give me the catholic explanation of that, it would be great :P


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: shroomydan]
    #5971750 - 08/17/06 12:20 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Do you believe you will go to heaven if you believe Jesus was the Son of God?

Believing isn't enough. If you believe that he is the son of God and refuse his gift of salvation, then you won't go to heaven.





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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5974821 - 08/18/06 12:01 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I don't believe in jesus, I just believe in Smoking Baby Jesus..

heh heh...

I don't know


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: SmokenBabyJesus]
    #6073226 - 09/18/06 07:09 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Jezus was the SUN of god, not the son of god...

there is no proof of any person in history who matches up with the stories in the bible.

wich isnt surprising when u take into account that the whole life of jezus is one giant metafore for the behaviour of the sun relative to the horizon.

click the link in my siggy and check the 3.5hr presentation there and things will become clear...


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