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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: blaze2]
    #5296735 - 02/13/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

What little faith we have. Guess most of us here aren't ready...........yet


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5449896 - 03/28/06 03:01 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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What little faith we have. Guess most of us here aren't ready...........yet




Whenever this discussion comes up, which is a lot, there's someone like you. I'm not saying having faith is a bad thing. but to me, you devote your life to having faith in God, so you will go to heaven, because you're scared of death. The thought of death haunts you so you rely on a fantasy afterlife. The more facts are thrown at you, the more fearful you get, the more faithful you get. I hate telling people how to live there life, because I hate people telling me how to live mine, so if this faith that you will go to heaven when you die gets you through life, then so be it.. more power to you.. But don't play the "people don't have faith anymore" card. It's bs. Live your life, have an opinion, but don't force your opinion on people, and don't look down upon people who don't share your opinion.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: hoboblues]
    #5452050 - 03/28/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Actually I'm not afraid of all of Death. Sorry if I gave you the indication that I was telling you how to live your life, but I am just stating what I believe in.

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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5452855 - 03/28/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

more my fault.. i read it when I was already a bit angry for other reasons. Sorry for judging you like i did.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: hoboblues]
    #5452877 - 03/28/06 08:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i hate religion, invented by man to control man.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: sunit]
    #5452941 - 03/28/06 08:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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i hate religion, invented by man to control man.




I doubt thats what it's main intent was. It may seem like that now, only because so many people are for it. I'd say it's main intent was to preserve what's good in people. But, what they didn't know was you don't have to believe in God, or follow a religion to be a good person. That's just one small reason, though, i'm sure there's many, many others.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5453336 - 03/28/06 10:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hi,
First off let me note all of what im about to say has been greatly influenced by my journeys with our mushrooms friends. anyways lets get to the nonsense. :smile:

I for one dont believe most of whats been taught to me in church. Because of this i've been working on my own ideas. If im going to believe in a story i'd rather it be my own because lets be honest, none of us know wtf happend/is happening/will happen.

I do believe in a higher power, a big eyeball in the sky(<3 claypool), a taco grande. Be it the conventional God or whatever you wish. Though i like to believe God is in fact just a part of our own being. Something on the lines of our higher consciousness, or even perhaps an alternate of our form. When i say alternate i mean a future\past more evolved form of ourselves which has maybe gone into hiding or simply moved along the conveyer belt to the next step of assembly.

Building on the idea of a higher evolved human spirit/mind i want to say maybe god doesnt exist, yet. Maybe we create god in the future. Allow me to use this definition from dictionary.com
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# God

  1A. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.
  1B. The force, effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being.

2. A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.

3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol.
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I'm particularly fond of 1B but i think they all hold truth. God is simply what we percieve ourselves to be if we were perfect. (i use the word perfect loosly btw. who are we to define perfection)

My ideas are loosely compiled at this point but it all ties together. Hopefully it all makes sense to you guys. But for now lets leave god and move to the subject of Mary's virginity. Do i believe she was virgin when she gave birth to jesus? yes its definetly possible. What if...Jesus was simply a man, a human, of the future(or the past) sent to that point in time to accomplish something. he wasnt supernatural, he was just superhuman, wired in a way we cant understand. Jesus is the result of an evolutionary technology, Born in a time far from his  own.
Anyways, how did the baby get in the belly? Lets imagine our planet on the verge of destruction, an apocalypse of some kind. Something so great that human life as we know it is at risk of being lost. As a last ditch effort of hope we unleash a technology so powerfull it could be as/more damaging as the imminent destruction. the technology is the act of time travel(please disgard any silly notions you may have regarding time travel and take this for what it is). We send a small devise, a seed, something like this. Sent back as a grain, a drop of water, a mushroom in the field, anything. We send it back to a time when the human race was still pure enough to be repaired. A time when we could still prevent the skew which brought us to the current position. This device makes its way to a woman named Mary and she becomes pregnant. Pregnant with a child from another stage in human evolution.

Jesus is born. His sole reason for existing is to save the human race.  Not to save the people who were about to die in an unimaginable cotastrophy, but to save the race, to give humanity a second chance, a near fresh start at becoming something great. This event brings us to where we are now. living history version 2.

welp thats my idea. sounds kind of outrageous but it is quite plausable.

allow me to emphasise that is not my belief of the truth. it is just a story that i came up with that seems to make good sense.
any critisism positive or negative appreciated.

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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: waixingren]
    #5468003 - 04/01/06 03:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't need to believe in Jesus. I just believe in myself. I think religion is usually meaningless and controlling


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: lovethemush]
    #5474670 - 04/03/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

first off nice avatar lovethemush Jimmy Page is one of my favorites.

But I must dissagree with what you said. "religion" isnt the problem, its "organized religions" which are both "controlling and meaningless". I worship God everyday by myself I interperet the Bible for myself. God does not belong to churches.

"lift a stone and you will find me, turn a leaf and I am there" or soemthing like that. its one of my favorite lines of the bible, not one of the churches of course.

Religion for me isnt rules I must follow. To me its like the path that guides you through a forest at times it dissapears completely, it crosses streams, and all around is life to distract you. There is nothing wrong with leaving the path and exploring new places as long as you return to the trail and your journey through life. stray too far and you risk losing the path altogether. Although in actuality I'm pretty sure the path is never really that far from you, because it IS you. Its your baseline, your self and soul in its most natural state.

I dont know if that makes much sense to you, but someday it might. The point is that to worship God one needs only to walk the path. And your right you dont need to believe in Jesus, but you do need to believe his teachings.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: waixingren]
    #5478846 - 04/04/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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My ideas are loosely compiled at this point but it all ties together. Hopefully it all makes sense to you guys. But for now lets leave god and move to the subject of Mary's virginity. Do i believe she was virgin when she gave birth to Jesus? yes its definitely possible. What if...Jesus was simply a man, a human, of the future(or the past) sent to that point in time to accomplish something. he wasn't supernatural, he was just superhuman, wired in a way we cant understand. Jesus is the result of an evolutionary technology, Born in a time far from his own.
Anyways, how did the baby get in the belly? Lets imagine our planet on the verge of destruction, an apocalypse of some kind. Something so great that human life as we know it is at risk of being lost. As a last ditch effort of hope we unleash a technology so powerful it could be as/more damaging as the imminent destruction. the technology is the act of time travel(please discard any silly notions you may have regarding time travel and take this for what it is). We send a small devise, a seed, something like this. Sent back as a grain, a drop of water, a mushroom in the field, anything. We send it back to a time when the human race was still pure enough to be repaired. A time when we could still prevent the skew which brought us to the current position. This device makes its way to a woman named Mary and she becomes pregnant. Pregnant with a child from another stage in human evolution.

Jesus is born. His sole reason for existing is to save the human race. Not to save the people who were about to die in an unimaginable catastrophe, but to save the race, to give humanity a second chance, a near fresh start at becoming something great. This event brings us to where we are now. living history version 2.

whelp thats my idea. sounds kind of outrageous but it is quite plausible.

allow me to emphasise that is not my belief of the truth. it is just a story that i came up with that seems to make good sense.
any criticism positive or negative appreciated.

--waixingren




This is one example of something I see too much of today. Someone taking something based on fact and turning it into something that is not true & something they want you to believe, or they themselves want to believe. I am not saying you are doing this waixingren, I am just using your post as an example of something I see to much of today. Many people do it without even knowing, I used to, until I saw the light when I found God. He showed me the truth.

Jesus did come here to save the world. He just isn't doing in the way waixingren, described.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5479124 - 04/04/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Can you post why you believe in Jesus? Make it good.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Sinthetic]
    #5479406 - 04/04/06 02:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Can you post why you believe in Jesus? Make it good.





Before I was born my mother had 3 miscarriages (she was childless before I was born) and was afraid she couldn't carry a child to full term. She wanted to have kids, and wasn't sure who to pray to so she prayed to the Virgin Mary, since she being a mother would understand.
The Virgin Mary appeared to my mother and said that she would be blessed many times. The next day she went to the doctor and found out she was pregnant (with me).

I was born and raised catholic. Went to Church every week with my family until college. I believed in Jesus as the son of God then mostly with my mind, but not with my heart, there was some doubt.

My path to Jesus, recently was a unusual one.

From college to about 4 months ago I have been in search of the truth of what is really going on in the world as I know there is much deception.

I tried searching the internet reading books based on conspiracies, bible code, aliens, pole shifts, metaphysics, etc. I learned that many people took facts and turned them into what they wanted to believe was true, I learned this gradually after doing MUCH searching.

Then after missing Christmas mass for the first time ever in my life I felt guilty and decided to pray, and asked God if the truth is even out there, if it is possible for us (which I knew we were deceived) could know the truth. This was a very emotional & tearful pray. (Now up until that time I had discovered that some of what I used to consider thoughts or Ideas were actually angels communicating with me. They taught me many things up until then) I heard one of these angelic voices in my head speak louder than usual and told me the truth can be found, then the voice changed while speaking from a male voice to a female voice and said she was really the Virgin Mary had been speaking to me in the other voice before because that was the only one I would listen to.

A week later I tripped on shrooms to see what would happen, an angel casually told me (inside my head) the year in which the Anti Christ would appear. I was shocked and wondered why he never told me before, and couldn't believe how it could be so soon.

The next time I tripped on shrooms, at one point during the trip I was scared cause of what the angel had said, then God spoke loudly in my head and said I had nothing to be afraid of, he comforted me and begin to unveil my purpose which he had planned for me since birth.

Looking back from my earliest childhood memories until now I saw all kinds of proof, many of them little things that all hinted to my purpose. How could I be so blind I kept thinking.

Since my last shroom trip (I have quit for good now) I have been praying from the heart, Mary introduced me to God, and God introduced me to Jesus.

I begin being filled with the holy spirit (feels mostly like mescaline) little bits at a time through prayer and fasting. I was stone cold sober all of the times this happened.

I then came to realize that after having believed in my heart, and accepted Christ as the son of God and savior, the the spirit of Christ was within me. I began to find it harder and harder to sin and have been losing he desire to.

Then Jesus and Mary began talking to me more than the voice of God in my head, and told me that THEY were the voice of God in my head. They say God is far to complex for any human to understand and they communicate what God is trying to tell us, for us so we can understand. They say when they speak to other religions that don't believe in Christ they don't switch to there true selves but go on letting them believe they are the one true God. They speak to us in the language of our beliefs in the context of our thoughts.
I personally KNOW Jesus is the son of God literally,God created Jesus & Jesus created our universe.

There is much more to this story then that, but I could literally write a book on why I believe in Jesus Christ as the son of God. Hope this helps.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5479698 - 04/04/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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A week later a tripped on shrooms to see what would happen, an angel told casual told me (inside my head) the year in which the Anti Christ would appear.



What year would that be?


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5479806 - 04/04/06 04:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

He is only telling his faithful servants so we can do his will, it would interfere with God's plan if I told you. You could become one of his faithful servants if you so choose to and find out.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5479856 - 04/04/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If he tells me, can we compare notes to see if we got the same answer?


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5480238 - 04/04/06 07:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Why would you need to compare notes with me if God told you? You don't trust God?


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5480356 - 04/04/06 07:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

perhaps he doesnt trust you


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: waixingren]
    #5480880 - 04/04/06 10:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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perhaps he doesnt trust you



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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5481728 - 04/05/06 06:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You don't have to trust me, just trust God.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5481837 - 04/05/06 07:39 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I feel really sorry for you. You've been raised in an environment of fear and doubt. You knew it yourself and tried desperately to find something else to hold on to, until eventually you felt so guilty you went back. Don't you see how they use fear and guilt to make you keep coming back? i don't want to offend anyone and I'll probably get flamed, but I'm starting to think Christian faith is a mental disorder. You also describe yourself as being psycotic. You know that right?


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