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OfflineDemotriton
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Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God?
    #5095610 - 12/22/05 08:19 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Do you believe Jesus was the son of God?
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Do you believe Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus?
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Do you believe you will go to heaven if you believe Jesus was the Son of God?
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Do you believe Jesus was secretly Married and had offspring?
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Do you believe the new testament is a deception created so you can be controlled?
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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5095649 - 12/22/05 08:26 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Do you believe you will go to heaven if you believe Jesus was the Son of God?

Believing isn't enough. If you believe that he is the son of God and refuse his gift of salvation, then you won't go to heaven.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: shroomydan]
    #5095797 - 12/22/05 09:06 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

OK shroomerydan I knew this would happen, I retyped this poll 3 times knowing someone would find a flaw but I am assuming that if you believe Jesus is the son of God that you will go to heaven. After all is it not written that believing in the son of God also qualifies you for salvation?

03/28/06 After reading the bible and converting: Yes you are right your do have to accept his gift of salvation, for even the demons believe he is the son of God yet they are not saved.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5095872 - 12/22/05 09:22 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Srirachi]
    #5095970 - 12/22/05 10:02 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you Screenprinter! I was so hoping I would get posts like that!
Bible quotes or any thoughts on this are welcome!!!

By the way, I am not Religious yet, but love to hear ANY opinion.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5096912 - 12/23/05 04:31 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Jesus was the David Blane of his day JK


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5108353 - 12/26/05 06:39 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

  • He was a "Son of God" in the sense that we are all children of God. What really made him special was his full attainment of Christ Consciousness.

  • As for the virgin birth, I have my doubts, but would not discount the idea entirely.

  • I do not believe salvation is a matter of what you believe, nor do I believe salvation is on an individual basis. Rather, I believe that salvation is for all mankind, and that it can only occur when we collectively attain Chist Consciousness, and awaken to the Christ within.

  • I neither know nor care whether or not Jesus had offspring. What is important is his gift of salvation through his teachings.

  • The synoptic gospels are an informative but incomplete view of Jesus. As for the control factor, no. The books of the New Testament were not written with the intention to decieve or control. However, the Church did organize the New Testament in the way it is with the intention of promoting its perspective and censoring alternative views of Christ. So in this way, its organization is control-oriented, but that was not the original intention in its authorship.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5112084 - 12/27/05 05:19 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

i only believe jesus was the son of god because i believe we all are 'children of god', because i believe we are all one with god, no different from jesus but that many of us are not aware of the truth of love as he was.  I believe he simply represents unconditional love(i believe this is why he just took the torture, because he loved them unconditionally, he would not fight back(which would be negative, he stayed positive throughout it all).

i dont believe anyone is sent to hell for any reason because i believe god is unconditional love, nothing you can do is so horrible that youd be sent to 'hell'. i believe we ourselves go by choice into a hellish state of mind because of fear/guilt(which is the hell) of anything so bad that we have done in our lives that we cant forgive OURSELVES. the hell is being consumed with ego, void of love(which is this heaven they speak on)

i dont believe god forgives anyone, because i believe he does not have an ego to hold a grudge against us to have to forgive in the first place.

i dont believe that christianity is meant to control us, but control what we believe, yes. to have to use fear tactics to get someone to believe in something, should raise a red flag right there to show it is bullshit.  love is what i believe is important and needed to get people to believe. telling someone that a loving god would burn someone forever with no remorse is just ridiculous. i believe there is a lot of truth hidden in metaphors in the christian religion, but i also believe it is overlooked or misunderstood by many(because of the doom and gloom fear tactic!).

i believe there is truth in all religions and lies in all religions. because we are human we have ego's and of course not everything will be perfect, as claimed by the christians and their holy bible(another red flag to me, aint nobody perfect and dont nobody know everything, not even jesus knew EVERYTHING, i do not believe this. i believe he was very very advanced soul though. very advanced)

that is my piece. and i wont be back to comment further, i had too many people hate on my beliefs here in the past to even want to discuss anything, i just drop a line and bye bye. take it how you want to. :heart:


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5115442 - 12/28/05 01:41 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

He was or could have been an incarnation of I AM. It doesn't mater if he was real or not. If the idea leads people back to Truth then it's all good. Be still and know that I AM is where all of this comes from........ it's the bridge to the UNKNOWN


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Srirachi]
    #5115804 - 12/28/05 03:52 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

screenprinter said:





Just reading that makes me cringe...


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: daba]
    #5174567 - 01/12/06 10:13 PM (18 years, 19 days ago)

I don't believe in god.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5174952 - 01/13/06 12:36 AM (18 years, 19 days ago)

So more people believe in the virgin birth than the idea that jesus is the son of god?  That makes sense  :ohwell:


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: DieCommie]
    #5177984 - 01/13/06 06:22 PM (18 years, 18 days ago)

Depends on your definition as such. Medically, it is a possibility that if you ejaculate on a woman's labia, she can become pregnant while not being penetrated and therefore retaining her virginity. Perhaps Mary had guys relieve themselves as such multiple times a day, and it finally caught up with her?

Just kidding, of course. I doubt she was a virgin; after all, if random men were masturbating on her, chances are she wouldn't care much about her virginity to begin with.

Obviously, it's all bullshit obscured and mystified by the passing of time.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Ravus]
    #5188938 - 01/16/06 09:08 PM (18 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

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Obviously, it's all bullshit obscured and mystified by the passing of time.



Now this is truth at its best.
I agree completely.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5213591 - 01/23/06 09:40 AM (18 years, 9 days ago)

This is the reason I don't believe one word out of the bible. First off the bible has been recompiled multiple times. Sometimes by unknown people. It has been translated from aramaic to greek. Then from greek to latin. Then from latin to English. Anyone who speaks another language knows that translations never convey the true meaning of the original text. This is due to cultural diferrencs and the fact that one language might not even have a suitable word to match the other language. Of course it's quite easy to translate something and add your own bias. *cough* King James *cough* Does anyone here realize how diferrently Hebrews or even Greeks thought than us. In Hebrew most words had double or triple meanings. I don't mean like slight diferrences. In Hebrew, love and light are the same word for example, so they considered love and light to be the samething. Also every number was a letter. 1=aleph 2=beth so on. They had an entire branch of their mystical system devoted to changing letters and numbers around to encode symbolism. The fact is you can't study the bible unless you have a Hebrew copy and know how to use Notarikon. The King James bible is a sad, miscronstrued, spectre of its original self. (If you haven't noticed I feel strongly about this issue) Ok now that I've babbled, if there really is am omnipotent God, he would know how misunderstood his scriptures were. If God is up there and it expects me to devote my life to it, living suppressed and in fear, because of a book that was written almost 2,000, he can go to hell. Jesus attended the mystery schools in Egypt. That means he had to go through an initiation which involved MAGIC MUSHROOMS. In my opinion Jesus and his disciples were running around tripping trying to enlighten people and the old jews started get worried. People were starting to question authority. So they crucified him. Damn. I knew I shouldn't have gotten started. I'll let you guys chew on that for a while.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5214016 - 01/23/06 01:02 PM (18 years, 9 days ago)

This is the reason I don't believe one word out of the bible. First off the bible has been recompiled multiple times. Sometimes by unknown people. It has been translated from aramaic to greek. Then from greek to latin. Then from latin to English. Anyone who speaks another language knows that translations never convey the true meaning of the original text. This is due to cultural diferrencs and the fact that one language might not even have a suitable word to match the other language. Of course it's quite easy totranslate something and add your own bias. *cough* King James *cough* Does anyone here realize how diferrently Hebrews or even Greeks thought than us. In Hebrew most words had double or triple meanings. I don't mean like slight diferrences. In Hebrew, love and light are the same word for example. Also every number was a letter. 1=aleph 2=beth so on. They had an entire branch of their mystical system devoted to changing letters and numbers around to encode symbolism. The fact is you can't study the bible unless you have a Hebrew copy and know how to use Notarikon. The King James bible is a sad, miscronstrued, spectre of its original self. (If you haven't noticed I feel strongly about this issue) Ok now that I've babbled, if there really is am omnipotent God, he would know how misunderstood his scriptures were. If God is up there and it expects me to devote my life to it, living suppressed and in fear, because of a book that was written almost 2,000, he can go to hell. Jesus attended the mystery schools in Egypt. That means he had to go through an initiation which involved MAGIC MUSHROOMS. In my opinion Jesus and his disciples were running around tripping trying to enlighten peole and the old jews started get worried. People were starting to question authority. So they crucified him. Damn. I knew I shouldn't have gotten started. I'll let you guys chew on that for a while.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Sinthetic]
    #5219838 - 01/24/06 10:06 PM (18 years, 7 days ago)

Even if the Bible was a completely accurate copy of the original writings with no errors, biases or purposeful omissions, it'd still just be another book in my eyes.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Ravus]
    #5220539 - 01/25/06 02:46 AM (18 years, 7 days ago)

the important parts of the bible are teh secret codes sinthetic its the themes and ideas that run throughout it. All the paranormal stuff means nothing ot me even if it is real. God may have started out making people believe him through fear, but My thoughts on the whole new testament was that he wanted people to get along and follow him for love of each other and all things he created for us. So yes Jesus was a nature lovin hippy(didnt know about those mushroom rituals but ive always had a hunch that most "divine revelations and visions" were accidental doses various phychedelics). I think he smoked hella hash from afganistan too but thast just a hunch. And your damn right thats why the jews killed him he would have destroyed everything that they had built for themselves cant have that now can we?

and ravus have you actually read the bible?

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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: blaze2]
    #5222256 - 01/25/06 03:44 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

I've read the majority of the Bible, though not the entire thing.

As I said, the Bible is just another book to me- sometimes it's long-winded and boring, other times it's well-written and awesome. Revelations is my favorite part, but I find Genesis, for example, to be extremely dull. Why exactly do I need to read a page-long list of all these people it never mentions again and how many years they lived?

I've read most of the New Testament, but parts of the Old Testament just couldn't hold my attention.

I'd still pick Hunter S. Thompson as a better writer than the ancient Christians/ Jews any day.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Ravus]
    #5224747 - 01/26/06 02:45 AM (18 years, 6 days ago)

I agree Ravus the geneoligies in the old testament are quite boring, but you must understand that we are not the original audience. Back in teh day your lineage was mucho importante, and led credence to the rest of the story. Its alot like how in a science fiction novel, an auther might use actual science to support some crazy new invention.

I find the first few chapters of Genesis quite good if you read them metaphoricly and not literaly they are surprisingly close to how the scientists say things went, if you ignore the whole he made the world in a week thing. People just read it wrong alot its not saying "and he made birds exactly as we see them, and they have never changed" Its just saying he made birds and here they are, for instance.

I have never been to chuch(my parents didnt believe in it), so when i started reading the bible last year(im 21 now) I think i came at with a clean slate that most people dont get to experiance. I had never been told "this means this and that means that, adn dammit thats the way it is son". So i didnt have to unlearn the mistakes and predijuces of others, i just have to worry about my own mistakes. I still havent finished it, and i pretty much start skipping when it gets to those long ass lists of names too dont feel bad. Revelations is my fav part too, if only it would happen...

All that said i was a complete agnostic if not atheist before i read the Bible, now I consider myself a christian(a real one not one of the phoneys that go to church)

I cant figure out for the life of me why people think church is great when more than once in the book they say is Gods Word he explicity says that you should worship by yourself. Not to mention all churches are based on money ("money is the root of all evil" and all that jazz) and power ("power allways currupts").

As Jesus had a habit of saying "Oh ye hippocrites"...

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