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Icelander
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I do not see spiritual evolution
#5095131 - 12/22/05 06:40 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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The spiritual truths we know today are the same that were known by the ancients.
My guess is the same small numbers proportionally will always become spiritually awakened.
Spirituality is not going to "save" the human race.
Everything is exactly as it is supposed to be, always.
Have a happy holiday.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Droz
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: Icelander]
#5095230 - 12/22/05 07:06 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Then why does one eat a mushroom?
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Droz
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: Droz]
#5095235 - 12/22/05 07:07 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Could not the mushroom be at the core of the brain?
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Icelander
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: Droz]
#5095238 - 12/22/05 07:07 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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To be one of the lucky few.
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: Icelander]
#5095325 - 12/22/05 07:29 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Have a happy holiday.
You too, brother.
Perhaps in the distant future, mankind as a whole will wake up to his divinity.
-------------------- "What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?" "Belief is a beautiful armor But makes for the heaviest sword" - John Mayer Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin. "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: Icelander]
#5095365 - 12/22/05 07:35 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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something to keep the crazies entertained?
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: Icelander]
#5095377 - 12/22/05 07:36 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Icelander said: My guess is the same small numbers proportionally will always become spiritually awakened.
The number or proportion means nothing without influence. The power of one.
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: Icelander]
#5095426 - 12/22/05 07:43 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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The secrets are always out in the open, it takes a proper nervous system to accept them and a properly evolved brain to interpret them.
I have to agree everything must be how it is else it would be something else, right?
Happy HO HO HOliday
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: Sclorch]
#5095431 - 12/22/05 07:44 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Something to keep the crazies entertained? Yeah right, if we didn't have spirits, which there are spirits. Then what would we be?
When we die, we become a spirit, ever play World of Warcraft.
When we die we must find our bodies to be reborn, or go to a church where they will revive you?
DUH! It's easy to understand.
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: Droz]
#5095479 - 12/22/05 07:52 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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I said we didn't have spirits? You're making some big assumptions, man.
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: Cherk]
#5095515 - 12/22/05 07:59 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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So you don't have a spirit? What happens when you die?
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Swami
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: Droz]
#5095626 - 12/22/05 08:21 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nothing at all. What happens when you turn your computer off?
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: Swami]
#5095684 - 12/22/05 08:34 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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When I turn my computer off its spirit leaves it; when I turn it back on its spirit returns, of course! It's a belief just as unprovable as your own that 'nothing at all' happens when you die.
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: Swami]
#5095688 - 12/22/05 08:35 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Swami said: Nothing at all. What happens when you turn your computer off?
It stops using energy. Then, when I turn it back on, it's got all my information still saved on it.
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: Silversoul]
#5095774 - 12/22/05 09:00 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Little Bela Fleck...
So Arjuna and Krishna, you know, they're hanging out on the battlefield. Arjuna is like, tired of war, he's trying to get out of this battle. So Krishna drops a little science on him, he says: "You know, it's the way of spiritual growth. A man must go forth from where he stands. He cannot jump to the absolute, he must evolve toward it." Krishna says: "At any given moment in time we are what we are. Arjuna, we have to accept the consequences of being ourselves, And only through this acceptence can we begin to evolve further. We may select the battleground but we cannot avoid the battle."
So Krishna tells Arjuna: "It follows therefore that every action under certain circumstances And for certain people may actually be a stepping stone to spiritual growth."
Arjuna is to do the best he knows In order to pass beyond that best to better How can we prescribe our neighbors to be perfect When it is so hard to know our own heart The pacifist must respect Arjuna Arjuna must respect the pacifist. Both are going toward the same goal If they are really sincere There's an underlying solidarity between them Which can be expressed Each one follows without compromise the path upon which he finds himself For we can only help others to do their duty By doing what we ourselves believe to be right It is the one supremely social act.
So Kirshna's reply to Arjuna occupies the rest of the story It deals not only with Arjuna's immediate personal problem But the whole nature of action The meaning of life And the aims for which man must struggle here on earth At the end of the conversation Arjuna has changed his mind He's ready to fight, he's ready to go ahead on It is the way of spiritual growth A man must go forward from where he stands He cannot jump to the absolute And the battle begins...
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: Icelander]
#5095868 - 12/22/05 09:22 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Very true.
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: SilentSeed]
#5095954 - 12/22/05 09:54 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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yes
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: GulGen]
#5096069 - 12/22/05 10:39 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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"When I turn my computer off its spirit leaves it; when I turn it back on its spirit returns"
I shut my computer off one night and returned to find it had reincarnated as a Falcon-Northwest Mach 5.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#5096101 - 12/22/05 10:51 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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were you alive thousands of years ago? it seems to me that the collective consciousness is advancing. humans have moved into a more rational state of consciousness.
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Swami
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: Deviate]
#5096118 - 12/22/05 10:55 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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As evidenced by the Bush Administration.
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: Icelander]
#5096821 - 12/23/05 03:06 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Icelander said: The spiritual truths we know today are the same that were known by the ancients.
The spiritual truths have always been the same! What hasn't always been the same is our awakening to them.
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My guess is the same small numbers proportionally will always become spiritually awakened.
Why is that? Isn't it more logical to think that once a few have been delivered from the daily illusions of existence, then these few can share their wisdom with a greater number of people? Can't we be talking about some kind of domino effect, where the number of spiritually awakened exponentially increases?
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Spirituality is not going to "save" the human race.
What is needed to save the human race is a major change in the way people think. I think spirituality could fit in this picture...
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: exclusive58]
#5098078 - 12/23/05 02:06 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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exclusive58 said:
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Icelander said: The spiritual truths we know today are the same that were known by the ancients.
The spiritual truths have always been the same! What hasn't always been the same is our awakening to them.
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My guess is the same small numbers proportionally will always become spiritually awakened.
Why is that? Isn't it more logical to think that once a few have been delivered from the daily illusions of existence, then these few can share their wisdom with a greater number of people? Can't we be talking about some kind of domino effect, where the number of spiritually awakened exponentially increases?
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Spirituality is not going to "save" the human race.
What is needed to save the human race is a major change in the way people think. I think spirituality could fit in this picture...
People have always awoken to spiritual truths. This age is no different except that because of media word spreads fast and goes farther about but we have no more awakened souls (proportionally) then at any other time IMO.
Once again, people have always dropped out and proclaimed spiritual truths. It has little effect on society then and now. ( I'm talking about spiritual awakening and not simple religion)
While I agree that what is "needed" is a major change in the way people think. It won't happen because a few people have genuine spiritual awakenings.
So, as Mr. Natural Sez: "TWAS EVER THUS"
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: exclusive58]
#5098151 - 12/23/05 02:30 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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exclusive58 said: Why is that? Isn't it more logical to think that once a few have been delivered from the daily illusions of existence, then these few can share their wisdom with a greater number of people?
No, I would not wager that it is more logical to consider. For instance, such "spiritual wisdom" is not easily conveyed. It would seem to me that it requires oneself to focus inwardly on oneself in a manner that will dissolve mental barriers and increase one's state of awareness. No matter which manner one interacts with another, nothing will do this for another person. It is one's own responsibility and one's greatest responsibility to oneself and one's environment. You can lead someone to the Well of Rememberance, but you can't make them drink, as it were.
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Can't we be talking about some kind of domino effect, where the number of spiritually awakened exponentially increases?
I wouldn't deem it to be likely that we would be speaking of such a domino effect. If you have a very minute proportion of the population that is "spiritually awakened", it would seem possible that they could have such an effect on the civilization as a whole by increasing the amount of "spiritually awakened" people, but the truth of the matter is that the far more considerable aspect of the population would have an increasingly strong domino effect on those "spiritually awakened" people. Perhaps not on these people themselves, but at least on their effect with the portion of the people that are not "spiritually awakened".
Science can be compared to this spirituality as being similar in that there would be a large base of ignorance that would be challenged by the new insight produced by either. The only difference is that science can be demonstrated and it can be utilized to create technology that will benefit the civilization as a whole, which will effectively serve to undercut such ignorance they possess. The evidence that is produced by science and the manner in which it is applied speak for itself.
I am not proposing that spirituality does not contain its very profound truth. The marked difference between it and that of science (which practically use the same methods of arriving at a conclusion, by the way) is that spirituality pertains only to the self-contained system represented as an individual, and the natural boundaries between this individual and that of the rest of its environment (which it is not actually seperate or distinct from ) make it very difficult to demonstrate the truth and evidence that is produced by this spirituality to the rest of its environment.
It is very easy to show evidence and proof to others in terms of science. With spirituality, it is one's actions and state as a result of their understandings and truths that are arrived at through spirituality that display one's evidence and proof in terms of spirituality. If the person who is observing your "demonstration" is not of the right understanding to perceive this evidence for what it is, then it will simply be misinterpreted and misunderstood. Jesus, anyone?
I forsee consistent, constant spiritual evolution, but yet I do not see any considerably-paced ascension of this evolution through civilization as a whole anytime soon. Whereas science's innovations and understandings act as a rip-tide that carries civilization and its ignorance along with it, spirituality is a very subtle, gentle breeze-like flow that would be impossible to distinguish (like a fish in water) unless one specifically looked for it. Sorry!
Peace.
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: fireworks_god]
#5098159 - 12/23/05 02:32 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said: ...spirituality is a very subtle, gentle breeze-like flow that would be impossible to distinguish (like a fish in water) unless one specifically looked for it. Sorry!
By which I mean: "unless one specifically dissolved the mental obstructions that prevent one from their natural existance within and direct perception of it. "
Peace.
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: fireworks_god]
#5098167 - 12/23/05 02:35 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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What he said. Will you be my press agent?
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (12/23/05 02:36 PM)
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: Icelander]
#5098444 - 12/23/05 03:49 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Why so can I, or so can any man; but will they come when you do call for them?
Shakespeare
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Icelander
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: Schwammel]
#5098551 - 12/23/05 04:17 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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spot on as usual dude.
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: Schwammel]
#5098552 - 12/23/05 04:17 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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but to answer your question
"I do not see spiritual evolution !!!"
think of the caveman that barely lived long enought to reproduce.
the greek who for the most part was working 24/7
or the modern day factory worker.
and you know the rest
Edited by Schwammel (12/23/05 04:18 PM)
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: Schwammel]
#5098721 - 12/23/05 05:01 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ha! A wizard is a fool
who stays true to his folly.
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psyka
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: Icelander]
#5100806 - 12/24/05 04:55 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Icelander, I wonder if this would be different if people were able to force different thought processes unto themselves. Soon, we'll be able to neurologically plug-in to the internet. This means instant information storage and retrieval, and perhaps possibly downloading alternate neurological expirences (other peoples perspectives). This WILL eventually happen, and I think it will usher a pre-Utopian civilization and society, whose realized purpose is to learn, understand, and be divinely interested in life... similiar to the Greeks.
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: psyka]
#5100898 - 12/24/05 06:51 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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we wont have to screw little boys will we?
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psyka
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: Grav]
#5100986 - 12/24/05 08:05 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not unless its culturally acceptable.
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: psyka]
#5101054 - 12/24/05 08:39 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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psyka said: Icelander, I wonder if this would be different if people were able to force different thought processes unto themselves. Soon, we'll be able to neurologically plug-in to the internet. This means instant information storage and retrieval, and perhaps possibly downloading alternate neurological expirences (other peoples perspectives). This WILL eventually happen, and I think it will usher a pre-Utopian civilization and society, whose realized purpose is to learn, understand, and be divinely interested in life... similiar to the Greeks.
Interesting idea. The future rarely turns out as predicted though.
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: Icelander]
#5101079 - 12/24/05 08:53 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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What happens when you turn your computer off?
i would hate to find out
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: kotik]
#5102248 - 12/24/05 02:52 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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everything is perfect, as it always has been
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Silversoul
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: Icelander]
#5108029 - 12/26/05 04:51 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've been gone for the past couple days, so I didn't get the chance to explain why you're wrong. See, evolution should not be confused with improvement or advancement. Evolution is merely the process of adapting to a changing set of conditions. As the human condition has changed, so too has our spiritual understanding adapted to that change. It has nothing to do with being "better" than we once were. We have simply adjusted our spirituality to a new set of circumstances. Thus, spiritual evolution is a reality.
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Re: I do not see spiritual evolution [Re: Silversoul]
#5108046 - 12/26/05 05:04 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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since you put it that way.
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