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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #4583147 - 08/26/05 05:48 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Good to see your plants reviving.

Mine arent in good shape still,i have the same problem althought it MIGHT have slowed down a bit. I live near a botanist so i will show him my plant and ask him for advice.

There is something seriously wrong with my plant,but i havent got the faintest clue what it is. It keeps forming new growth at VERY slow pace from lateral meristems and the apical one's but the leaves are yellowing and getting destroyed...


Also i would like to see an update from Tinkal,he has proven himself to be quite of a greenthumb!
You have very healthy growth there,be sure to take all the measures during winter to keep it alive!

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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4583279 - 08/26/05 08:44 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

You asked for it!









There are 7 pots totaly. I guess the secret behind theyr health is that in my balcony i always have a wind blowing them. I guess.

Two of them will go indoors during winter. This is a nice project. To see what will survive. The Indoors or the Outdoors.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4629652 - 09/07/05 11:43 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

And my plants won the battle! Vigorous growth observed and the sickness has gone away!

Thanks to Ytse and his flour solution.

Now my pereskiopsis has some short of caterpillar ,very thin having only two "parts" on the end that looks like "mouths"/"claws" (nothing on the midsection) that bites with one and raises itself on the air with the other part,they arent very sensitive to the touch...I searched oisat.org in caterpillars but it isnt in there...

Oh well,hand squashing~!

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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4630666 - 09/07/05 04:11 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

my pegs are balancing on the edge of forever still...
i have them under some 36 watt florescant tubes and that seems to
be working but now i gave them to little water and what im letf with is some high stems (where the leafs have fallen off) and prettymuch a seedling on top of it...

there like little harmaline pimps on high heels...


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #4744410 - 10/02/05 05:48 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Update OCT 2005 :





Come on, this is a critical season. Let me see you pics.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4788877 - 10/11/05 07:53 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I think im finaly getting the hang of this u guys :laugh:


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #4900362 - 11/06/05 12:34 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Funny you had low germination rates. I plants a bunch of different seeds and I had left them in extremely bad conditions for a few days, no light, no heat, after about 5 days the only seeds that popped up were p. harmala. They were pretty badly elongated though. Most likely due to the insufficient light.

I put them under a fluorescent yesterday, the seedlings still arent looking too good but hopefully the fluorescent will pick them back up.

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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: El_Presidente]
    #4900816 - 11/06/05 03:29 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

actualy another 2 seeds have sprouted since that pic.
the tubes are definetly helping my plants.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #4912022 - 11/08/05 11:47 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I have this in my mind. To put some pots indoors, some leave them outdoors and some in sand and leave them in dry and dark place until next spring.

Any ideas on how will I put them in sandy soil ? I don't remember where I have heard that, but it works.



This is one of the indoors plants. It turned brown and grey. I'll try keeping it alive.

I also see that germinating and growing Harmala indoors makes them very weak. Better do it outdoors and mother nature will help.

Any of you have harmala planted in the ground ? I would like to see pics from that.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4912864 - 11/09/05 09:48 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Dont toss anything away if the harmala "phenomenically " dies....It tends to grow back from its roots next spring ,summer.


Transfering in sand ,in my opinion, is tottaly uncalled for. You quite propably damage the root system this way .Just keep those outdoor pots away from rain...

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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4916554 - 11/10/05 03:55 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

This is from someone that is growing P. harmala. See what he says about the flowers :

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I never had problems both with Harmala and Ephedra seeds.
I planted them indoor in late winter/early spring.I simply took care to water them only when they really needed since both plants seedlings are prone to root rot. Sometime add a litthe copper sulphate to the water you use. I never used artificial light with them.
Once they are estabilished they are hardy plants. I kept them indoor for the first two winters. Now they are 3 years old and I left them outside. Only avoid to leave P. harmala in the rain. It doesn't like its feet wet. P. harmala will set flowers and seeds in its third year.




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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4916642 - 11/10/05 06:18 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Hmmm i hear either about two years or three years.M<aybe flowering has something even to do with if the plant is in a pot or free in the nature to spread its roots as it please.

As an update for me : Something is officially suckign the juices of my plant.Lower leaves go dead mmostly. I accidentaly made a diagnostic which worked for me ,Tinkal you might want to check it with your plants as well http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...b30#Post4916626

My catch was very very small whitish/creamish bugs that the closer they look like is spidermites.They are nto red though.Also,their dimensions are very small to the point that details cannot be seen with naked eye.t the moment i have no magnifying glass or microscope but from some "magnifying patents" i devised (necessity ,mother of invention) i concluded they look like spidermites,with their bulbuous body...

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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #5013711 - 12/04/05 12:24 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

The pot i had indoors almost dried. I noticed these green sticks though.
I only water them 2-3 times a month.



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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #5013750 - 12/04/05 12:35 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

ive had spider ites also, but i noticed them early and sprayed them with some MDK and its still going good under my florescant tubes.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #5018265 - 12/05/05 02:54 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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The pot i had indoors almost dried. I noticed these green sticks though.
I only water them 2-3 times a month.






These "Green sticks" is peganum harmala coming back straight from the root! Good job! If you have reached this stages it more or less means that you have well develop roots that will keep on "pumping" new harmala plants! Even if the part above the soil dies you will still have plants sprouting.

Also note how characteristically different are from seedlings!

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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #5023157 - 12/06/05 12:01 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Yes I noticed the difference. These ones don't have leaves yet. I'll try photographed them again to see how they develop.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #5049225 - 12/11/05 05:54 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

if you get a few moments, can you address the following items for the plant in question (Peganum harmala)?

1. Climate zone (zone 1, etc)
2. Is the plant an Annual, Perennial, Biennial, etc
3. Best way to start from seeds
4. Frost - will it survive a heavy/light/long frost?
5. How much shade/sun?
6. How often does it get watered?
7. How long from the time you plant the seed til its ready for (partial or full?) harvest?
8. Dormancy
9. Ideal soil mix
10. Ideal fertilizer if any
11. Container growing tips
12. Common pests and diseases to watch out for. Also any other sensitivities the plant may have.
13. Health warnings (IE: wear gloves when harvesting tobacco)
14. Ideal propagation methods
15. If indoors, what type of lighting should be used?

Any other notes would also be helpful.

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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: World Spirit]
    #5092577 - 12/22/05 03:39 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

These little men are growing very fast. The bad thing is that by their look, it seems that if i put them outdoors eaven for 1 hour, they will die.



And the formation, is a bit strange. They look like big seedlings and not like growned ones.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #5092801 - 12/22/05 06:01 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Excellent grow! Mine follow the same trent as well.

Dont put them outside with that cold ,tried and failed,the cold can certainly damage the sensitive growth tips. Also note their phototropism!Thet turn towards light coming from the window.Try puting them under some fluoros for some time to see if it speeds up growth

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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #5312913 - 02/18/06 08:45 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

UPDATE :

I've had some excelent resaults from the 6 speciments that I had left outdoors. After 2 months of low temperature (up to -5C) and strong winds, I figured out that the speciments never died. Instead they started growing again. I only water them once a month with Maxicrop/GRO-Greeen/geo-BIOSTAR.



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