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Re: If you fail to act are you a criminal? [Re: Swami]
    #5089869 - 12/21/05 12:57 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

"Where is Huehue with a relevant Don Juan quote on fate and death?"

I am sorry, but Castaneda's works did not empower notions like fate. They ecouraged proactivity...taking the bull by the horns...and they encouraged taking responsibility (the most important aspect of Castaneda's books) for one's action.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


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Re: If you fail to act are you a criminal? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5090021 - 12/21/05 01:32 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

:grin:  Oh Yeah. That's why i couldn't think of a revelant quote. :wink:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Edited by Icelander (12/21/05 04:29 PM)


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Re: If you fail to act are you a criminal? [Re: Icelander]
    #5090566 - 12/21/05 04:18 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

fireworks :wink: I would love less words with saying more, what is so quite hard for me, too :smile:

"It might be very obvious to you, but if the person could entirely have subjective reasons for not participating in an attempt to rescue."
Hehe, let's show our subjective hinderances and let it compare to 'reality'. Sometimes someone should not let make a fool out of oneself :lol:

"The fact that a an experienced rescue assistant in this forum has cautioned us of the severe danger of attempting to save someone who is such a life-threatening situation without proper training would suggest that a law that demands one attempts to rescue another is foolish and is going to create more problems than it will solve. "
The fool will not be encouraged, because he will be punished by his own misery.


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Here, we have base law, that, for example, material possessions obligates to share them (for a part).
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"And how is this law acted upon? Do police officers come into your home, assess the value of your possessions, and demand that you pay a certain percentage of that value to some other person? What right does law have to interfere in matters such as this?"
Huh ? Does it sound so strange to you ? It is just done by taxes and social-payment every month of my salary. What keeps the danger that people close their door in front of the 'social poor' because they did pay their 'social-part' with their tax and salary...


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Here, you can retrieve a part of your tax back, if you support charities.
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"There is a marked difference between that of a tax break if you claim the amount you have donated to charities, churches, etc., and that of an enforced tax that requires you to donate to charitiable organizations. There is a reason we offer tax-break incentives instead of enforcing a tax - we wish to positively encourage such behavior instead of legislating it. We do, for the most, feel that we have rights of free choice. "
If I understand you right, we are on the same side here... Noone can 'enforce' someone to do 'good' in a altruistc way, but can do some 'encouraging'.

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If the old person is disabled, there are laws for special seats in public transfer, here.
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"No doubt. Regulations on public transportation ensure that the public can access such transporation if they are fully able or not. Handicapped parking spots make sense as well. They ensure that weaker elements of our genetic pool can carry on when they would be destroyed by an unabated survival of the fittest. "
You did not notice my distinction between disabled and old what makes up all explosives :grin:


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Finding something, what belongs to someone and not giving it back is called 'theft'.
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"If I distribute gold watches throughout the city, dropping them in random spots all along the sidewalks, and then monitor them, will I be able to have everyone who picks these watches up arrested and charged as thieves? "
First, you should give them some time.
Second, I am no lawyer, but I would say there will dominate the case of (your) 'mal intend' over (their) 'theft'.
Third, it surely is interesting for some experimental scientific surveys :laugh:


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Ah and yes, here we have a law, that says that the finder may keep 20% of the value of the left stuff.
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"If someone stole my car and ditched it, and a farmer finds it later in his field, I would rather sit in jail than pay him 20% of the value of that car. Seems like an unjust law to me. "
Hehehe, no if you can prove someone stole the car, the case walks different than if you lost your car :lol:


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Therefor there are 'fast lines' for 'few-itemers'
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"Which is exactly what she is referring to. People will commonly enter such lines with more items than allotted for them to have in order to check out in such a line. "
Then it would be sufficient to send them back to the long line, exposing them to public anger :lol:

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If I am sitting on the side of a lake and someone is off on the horizon drowning, I shouldn't be punished by a law if I sit there and casually observe the situation while smoking a cigarette. "
No one will know that you sat there smoking a cigarette and watching him drown. Our law only enforces to help, as you have nothing to risk by law, despite ther risks you personally get into by nature.
IF someone comes along, seeing you watching him drown, then the story continues and you have to think again (MANY possibilities arise) :grin:


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'


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Re: If you fail to act are you a criminal? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5090597 - 12/21/05 04:31 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I am sorry, but Castaneda's works did not empower notions like fate.

You certainly don't want to bet me a dinner on that.


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The proof is in the pudding.


Edited by Swami (12/21/05 04:46 PM)


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Re: If you fail to act are you a criminal? [Re: Swami]
    #5090629 - 12/21/05 04:44 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I am starting to see you make many spelling errors lately, Veritas and I have counted 3 in the last 2 or three days. Are you cracking up. :grin:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: If you fail to act are you a criminal? [Re: Icelander]
    #5090651 - 12/21/05 04:51 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

*cough cough* I caught that flu going around - maybe from you. *wheeze* Am not in tip-top condition. My eyes are bleary and - *Achoo!*

Actually this last error was from a different feeling keyboard. I typed the letter, but it failed to register. Needs a heavier touch. Yeah - that's it. That's my story!

*Swami collapses in tears* I am imperfect! *Gets a gun*


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Re: If you fail to act are you a criminal? [Re: Swami]
    #5090688 - 12/21/05 05:01 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Hmmm...now, if I walk by this post and don't try to talk you down, get the gun away from you, and take you to the all-you-can-eat buffet, would I be held criminally liable?

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Re: If you fail to act are you a criminal? [Re: Veritas]
    #5090721 - 12/21/05 05:11 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

:rofl2:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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