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Total Acceptance = Total Inertia
    #5089118 - 12/21/05 11:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

So what my house is freezing? If I am not uncomfortable, there is no need to chop wood or buy more heating oil.

So what if I am starving? If I am not uncomfortable, there is no need to hunt, grow, or work to buy food.

Yup, that chick over there is mega-hot, but I accept things as they are, so no need to 'make a play'.

Think I will just sit here in Zazen and never move...


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The proof is in the pudding.


Edited by Swami (12/21/05 12:03 PM)


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Re: Total Acceptance = Total Inertia [Re: Swami]
    #5089132 - 12/21/05 11:59 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:rolleyes:

My house is freezing. If I wish to be warm, I will need to chop wood or buy more heating oil.

I am starving. If I wish to survive, I will need to hunt, grow, or work to buy food.

That chick over there is mega-hot, AND I accept things as they are, which includes my being interested in seeking a partner, and the fact that I do not yet know her, so I will 'make a play' and perhaps there will be a connection between us.


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Re: Total Acceptance = Total Inertia [Re: Swami]
    #5089144 - 12/21/05 12:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

That's not how life works.  :grin:


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Re: Total Acceptance = Total Inertia [Re: Swami]
    #5089151 - 12/21/05 12:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Total acceptance makes me uncomfortable. If I'm uncomfortable about total acceptance I'm not going to accept everything.


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Re: Total Acceptance = Total Inertia [Re: Veritas]
    #5089176 - 12/21/05 12:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You are looking into starting your own business because your current work situation is not SATISFACTORY. If everything was totally acceptable, you would make no effort to change anything.

TRUE or FALSE?


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Re: Total Acceptance = Total Inertia [Re: Icelander]
    #5089193 - 12/21/05 12:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

That's not how life works.

It isn't? Name one invention that came about through total acceptance of the way things are.


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Re: Total Acceptance = Total Inertia [Re: Swami]
    #5089222 - 12/21/05 12:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
That's not how life works.

It isn't? Name one invention that came about through total acceptance of the way things are.




That's what I'm saying. Your senerio of total acceptance dosen't apply to life IMO. Not to rational life anyway, even on the most basic level.


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Re: Total Acceptance Taken out of context - it means zip. [Re: Icelander]
    #5089303 - 12/21/05 12:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

the thing a shaman or a tripper may have been trying to articulate, was to take in a 360 degree, global gestalt sensorium, i.e. to accept all sensory feeds into the conscious mind for the rush, the sense of the now, a rest from "egoic" mentation.

this is the essence of mind exapnsion, the opening up of the flower of mind, the 1000 petalled lotus etc.

i.e. filters off, sensors on. (some might interpret that as "total acceptance" and may carry that particular verbal souvenir out of dream land, where it quickly disintegrates and means less than nothing to swamis around the world)

hopefully you put yourself into a tranquil place when you do try this (i.e. zazen style setting) so that you don't blow your senses off.

anyway, this is what they talk about, non-reacting for a time, not filtering it down to perceptions and responses, to appreciate the more universal life rush. It really shifts the perspective to a more humble and environmentally sensible place.

to get anything done however, do get dressed again and do put on what filters and what armour you need to get around. (it may be less filters than you put on automatically after getting up in the morning.)


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Re: Total Acceptance Taken out of context - it means zip. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5089313 - 12/21/05 12:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

We cannot change anything until we accept it. Condemnation does not liberate, it presses.
--C.G. Jung





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Re: Total Acceptance Taken out of context - it means zip. [Re: Veritas]
    #5089335 - 12/21/05 12:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

this is about apprehension
in which case accepting is translated to taking into grip.

the abused phrase "total acceptance" is not about control, it is about the timeout that refreshes. the other place we can go.


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Re: Total Acceptance Taken out of context - it means zip. [Re: Veritas]
    #5089339 - 12/21/05 12:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Huh?

Only when a man fully embraces his masculinity does he then go in for a transsexual operation? Doesn't make sense to this reader.

In the study of electricity, voltage is a measurement of the difference between two poles and is a main variable in the power equation. Likewise, the difference between curent reality and desired reality is the driving force to act.


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Re: Total Acceptance = Total Inertia [Re: Swami]
    #5089346 - 12/21/05 12:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
You are looking into starting your own business because your current work situation is not SATISFACTORY. If everything was totally acceptable, you would make no effort to change anything.

TRUE or FALSE?




When was it stated that acceptance meant never changing anything?

In this particular situation, I am dissatisfied with my work. I would like very much to start my own business, yet have not accumulated the $$ to manage the start-up expenses.

If I chose to resist my current situation, i.e. staying in my job through tax season in order to save all my overtime pay for start-up expenses, I would create suffering every day I worked here.

I do not wish to suffer, so I accept that I need to be here now. Some mornings I whine a little about going to work, but I do not grump around all day once I'm here.

Perhaps you'd call this acceptance "making the best of it"?


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Re: Total Acceptance = Total Inertia [Re: Swami]
    #5089355 - 12/21/05 12:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

if the world was perfect already, then nothing would ever happen.


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Re: Total Acceptance Taken out of context - it means zip. [Re: Swami]
    #5089360 - 12/21/05 12:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Huh?

Only when a man fully embraces his masculinity does he then go in for a transsexual operation? Doesn't make sense to this reader.





The point is that denying reality is ineffective and painful. Changing your emerging reality is discrete from accepting your current reality as it emerges.


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Re: Total Acceptance Taken out of context - it means zip. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5089392 - 12/21/05 01:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

the thing a shaman or a tripper may have been trying to articulate,

:confused: Maybe not.


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Re: Total Acceptance Taken out of context - it means zip. [Re: Swami]
    #5089468 - 12/21/05 01:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

One should only strive for total acceptance of those things that one cannot change. Then work to change those things that you can improve. And hope that you have the wisdom to know the difference.


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Re: Total Acceptance Taken out of context - it means zip. [Re: Icelander]
    #5089518 - 12/21/05 01:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

unbeliveable how twisted up things can get,
an experiential insight turns into
an instruction which is deformed into
a partly understandable aphorism which becomes
an old wive's tale and then
a complete misunderstanding
applied to the wrong things altogether.

then smart web persons look at it and become a box of silly monkeys trying to take a misunderstood old wives saying which was derived from an aphorism that may have been a yogic instruction from an experiential context, and then they take it seriously as if a guide to the perplexed (and it is not that).

this is when it really seems to be a wank


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Re: Total Acceptance Taken out of context - it means zip. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5089544 - 12/21/05 01:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Hmmm...I guess I must be the silliest monkey, then, because this technique, however twisted and "old wifey" it may be, works well for me.  :shrug:

Any other "orientation" toward reality is pure neurosis, IMO.  But then, we don't see many neurotic monkeys.  :grin:

Still, I'd prefer to be a bonobo.  :wink:


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Re: Total Acceptance = Total Inertia [Re: Swami]
    #5089555 - 12/21/05 01:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You have acheived happiness and I congratulate you. I, myself, have greater needs.


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Re: Total Acceptance = Total Inertia [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5089560 - 12/21/05 01:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What evidence do you have for your claim?  :wink:


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