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theBRINK
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loss in potency
#5083192 - 12/19/05 06:49 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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hi everyone.. i haven't posted in a while but i have been very busy with my cultivation..
i have a few quarts of rye spawned to poo with a fully automated pmp, i recently harvested my first flush on about half of my casings (i have nine aluminum baking dishes) and i had to leave on a family emergency and was gone for 4 days. i was in the middle of my harvest and i came back to lots of large, fully mature mushies, some even on the brink of rotting, but not quite there yet.
i picked all that were ready and immediately threw them in the deyhdrator (approx. 550g wet)
my question is: how much loss in potency should i expect from the ones that are fully mature? also, they dropped spores everywhere... will that effect my next flush? thanks guys!
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Cray
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Re: loss in potency [Re: theBRINK]
#5083222 - 12/19/05 06:55 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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no offence to the ladies out there....
think of it this way, what's better, fucking a 18 hot girl, or fucking a mature 40 year old?
as for the spores, just makes a mess...
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rygo796
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Re: loss in potency [Re: Cray]
#5083276 - 12/19/05 07:06 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've heard many times tehre is no loss in potency from mature mushrooms, however I havent tested the theory out.
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Wronguy
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Re: loss in potency [Re: rygo796]
#5083318 - 12/19/05 07:12 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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I believe there is some truth to this story, rumor, legend, or what ever you want to call it. I don't know about maturity, but I think size plays a role. I have done numerous grows and have found that my larger mushrooms seem less potent than my smaller shrooms. I'm not sure if maturity plays a part though. My larger Puerto Rican shrooms were 50% less potent than my smaller Cambodians.
Coincidence? I don't think so, but could be.
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musher_420
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Re: loss in potency [Re: Wronguy]
#5083351 - 12/19/05 07:17 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah but couldn't it also be more like a concentration type thing.
What I'm saying is that your mushrooms wont be any LESS potent per mushrooms then when they were smaller. I don't think you lost anything.
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Wronguy
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Re: loss in potency [Re: musher_420]
#5083529 - 12/19/05 08:03 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Concentration thing? I used to do double doses of 3.5 grams each dose on my PRs but couldn't handle a single dose of 4 grams on my Cambodians. Both were cultivated using the same horse manure, same brand WBS, using the same fruiting methods. While there will certainly be variables, this is way too much of a variance.
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musher_420
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Re: loss in potency [Re: Wronguy]
#5083625 - 12/19/05 08:27 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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What I mean by concentration is. By letting the mushrooms grow larger (gain mass) they may not be as potent for every gram you eat.
However. If they grow larger you will be getting more dry grams of mushrooms then you did before. So you may have to eat more weight to get the same amount magic. But you HAVE more weight so it's gravy. All you have lost really is the a CONCENTRATION of the magic threw out the total mushroom mass. Just a theory.
I hope that makes sense.
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Re: loss in potency [Re: Wronguy]
#5083703 - 12/19/05 08:47 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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I personally do find that, over a certain size they seem weaker. My big aussie's sucked! Next time i picked b4 (or just as) the veil broke and everyone agreed they were much better. Same everything used in the 2 grows.
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coda
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Re: loss in potency [Re: JaRRn]
#5083945 - 12/19/05 10:08 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yah this is a huge debate and one that can only be settled by a lab with the proper equipment. Some believe this is why aborts are more potent, since they contain all the actives a mature mushroom has you need less of them to feel the full effect. Conversely with larger mushies you have more matter and the same amount of actives. Meaning your 7 gram monster contains as much actives as a 1.5 gram normal shroom.
Keep in mind that this is just theory and speculation. People use their personal experiences (which are not to be dismissed) to base their opinions on the matter. Until we can get a nice gas spec of the different maturity levels to alkaloid content we'll never truly know.
I personally like letting them flatten out to almost horizontal and then pick them, i like the way the caps look more that way Out of all the trips ive had off of homegrown shrooms ive never noticed much of a difference in eating bigger or small mushrooms. They only small matter i have is dealing with aborts, but even then, the setting i was in i believe was much more of a contributing factor to the heavy trip then the actual mushrooms.
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Re: loss in potency [Re: Cray]
#5084492 - 12/20/05 12:57 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Cray said: think of it this way, what's better, fucking a 18 hot girl, or fucking a mature 40 year old?
Well, depends. If the hot 18yr old lies there like a starfish, it can be pretty boring. While a 40yr old woman knows what she wants, and is often a lot better in bed. You dont fuck them - they fuck you........
Had to get that off my chest.
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theBRINK
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Re: loss in potency [Re: musher_420]
#5084770 - 12/20/05 04:35 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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thanks for the input guys... i guess i will put those mature ones to the test myself soon enough and compare them to the smaller ones... i'll let ya kno what my own personal findings bring
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theBRINK
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Re: loss in potency [Re: theBRINK]
#5085666 - 12/20/05 12:18 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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another question...
some of you have said that the size of the larger mature mushrooms will contain the same amount of actives as a similar one whose veil has just broken. i have grown monsters outdoors that are several grams dried before the veil is broken. could this be true about those as well? they seemed to be less potent and i could not figure out why.
i harvested them at the optimal stage, but the mass did not equal the akaloid content. any opinions on why this would occur?
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theBRINK
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Re: loss in potency [Re: theBRINK]
#5086232 - 12/20/05 03:07 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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