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spikes again (with pics!) analysis? updated
    #5082646 - 12/19/05 04:34 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, my GT spikes are still growing, some are up to an inch tall now, AND, they're developing caps! I was told they might be primordia, looking for nutrients, but why the heck would they have caps? Are these mushrooms???



Edit: Perhaps they started as nutrient "feelers" and are now trying to convert into shrooms???

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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Rahz]
    #5082655 - 12/19/05 04:35 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

what the hell. thats a first for this newbe


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: commosoldier]
    #5082673 - 12/19/05 04:42 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

doesnt look like GT to me

gonna need someone who knows what theyre talking about though, and thats not me


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: commosoldier]
    #5082674 - 12/19/05 04:42 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Wtf...that is the weirdest thing I have ever seen...


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Anonymous]
    #5082684 - 12/19/05 04:44 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

they are definitely not a cube, I would check with your spore supplier and try to figure out what they are.....not a cube though imho.

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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: backupwards]
    #5082700 - 12/19/05 04:49 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Those look like Pan Cyans to me. If they are, you hit the jackpot my friend.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Wronguy]
    #5082732 - 12/19/05 04:55 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Well, they came in a syringe from sporeworks. I ordered several, and in the very unlikely event that I mis-labeled something, all 3 syringes were cubies (the others were Mazapatec, and Malabar).

But I'm pretty damn sure they came from the GT syringe. I grew them in BRF jars, and it went straight to the tray with a layer of peat/verm on top.

Now, I have other trays of GT from the same syringe that have already fruited, so I can't say the syringe was mis-labeled.

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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Rahz]
    #5082792 - 12/19/05 05:09 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

That's really, really weird. Those are definitely not primordia. Primordia come before pins. My first guess is that they are some kind of crazy mutants. Mushrooms don't grow stems first without caps. The stems and the caps grow at the same time, though the caps don't open up until they're mature.

Also, mushrooms don't start growing looking for nutrients. Remember, they are the "fruit" and the mycelium are the "roots".

Keep us posted! This is most unusual.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Land_Crab]
    #5082820 - 12/19/05 05:14 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I really wouldn't think this is all that uncommon. I have another small casing that hasn't really done anything, but it has 2-3 of these spikes as well. It came from a syringe (from sporeworks) labled PF Albino.

I wasn't suggesting that they started out as shrooms, but perhaps since any part of the mushroom is just a type of mycelium, it was trying to convert this growth into mushrooms. I don't know, but it's hard to believe this is very rare. Surely someone has some XP with them.

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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? *DELETED* [Re: Rahz]
    #5082895 - 12/19/05 05:29 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Rahz]
    #5082902 - 12/19/05 05:30 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Not to contradict you wronguy, but it can't be a cyan since they require dung to fruit (or woodchips).

Looks like some funky mutants to me.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Sudafeds]
    #5082903 - 12/19/05 05:30 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

but if it is pan CYANS, thats good.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Rahz]
    #5082914 - 12/19/05 05:34 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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It came from a syringe (from sporeworks) labled PF Albino.




That makes a little more sense. They do look like albinos as well. Not sure why the caps aren't growing at the same rate. If you have other grows doing the same, you may take a look at your cultivating steps. You may be inadvertently causing mutations through excessive sterilization, such as spraying Lysol, or some other condition causing your problem.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Rahz]
    #5082919 - 12/19/05 05:35 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Those are extremely weird, and like someone else said, I would bet its just some mutation. I had a casing where every mushroom grew with the cap attached to the casing and the stem in the air, so casing wide mutations aren't that rare. If you used lysol or some other products for sterilization, either of your grow/prep area or anything you used in the process, that could be the cause for the mutation. It could also just be the product of a strange genetic variation. You might want to read up on cloning and try that to see if its a genetic oddity or something else. If you've got any other pictures they could be helpful in trying to diagnose the problem


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: coda]
    #5082924 - 12/19/05 05:38 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Not to contradict you wronguy, but it can't be a cyan since they require dung to fruit (or woodchips).

Looks like some funky mutants to me.




I know. He didn't mention that they were grown on BRF until after I posted my comment. It looked like a small bulk attempt from the photos.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Wronguy]
    #5082929 - 12/19/05 05:39 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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It came from a syringe (from sporeworks) labled PF Albino.




That makes a little more sense. They do look like albinos as well. Not sure why the caps aren't growing at the same rate. If you have other grows doing the same, you may take a look at your cultivating steps. You may be inadvertently causing mutations through excessive sterilization, such as spraying Lysol, or some other condition causing your problem.




He said that this casing is supposed to be GT, and another one he has that is doing the same thing is Albino.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Sudafeds]
    #5082931 - 12/19/05 05:40 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not saying that. This came from the same syringe that another case, which fruited, came from, as far as I know. I did one syringe per day and labled the jars as I went. I think it's GT, just not sure what it's doing.

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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Wronguy]
    #5082936 - 12/19/05 05:41 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Those look like Pan Cyans to me. 




just what i thought, those dont look like cubes AT ALL.
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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Wronguy]
    #5082938 - 12/19/05 05:42 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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this guy took a month for my kit. by this time i made my own kit and I'm about to fruit. sucks really


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: commosoldier]
    #5082975 - 12/19/05 05:53 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

man that picture is disturbing. it is really haunting. i'm so freaked out by the way it looks i'm afraid of the nightmares i'll have later tonight :freakybirdthing: :eaglekitty: :penguindog: :penguinmonkey: :angrydog: :evildog:


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Shnezbit]
    #5082983 - 12/19/05 05:55 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Sr man. my post was really about how much i was phucked when i didn't use a sponsor. so i learned the hard way. it wont happen again


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: commosoldier]
    #5083212 - 12/19/05 06:52 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

wow man, that's weird, i'd post that into the Advanced forums..


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Wronguy]
    #5083976 - 12/19/05 10:23 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I couldn't find anything useing the search function, but intrestingly enough, at the bottom of this thread in the Related Threads section, several of those links are related to these spikes. There were no pics though. After googling, it seems other types of mushrooms form these spikes, which eventually grow into fruit. I'll take more pics in a couple days if they keep growing.

Here are my grow conditions, and keep in mind, I'm growing other trays of normal looking shrooms in the same FC as we speak. I mist with a 10% (3%) peroxide solution. I cleaned the trays and FC with alcohol only. From jars to misting, I use spring water, but tap water goes in my Vics humidifier. The tap water is clorinated, but it's not noticably strong. I also use the same 10% peroxide in the Vics. It runs 24/7. The FC get's natural light and a few minutes of light at night when I'm viewing them. The cakes went straight to the casing with a layer of peat/verm (10% oyster, 5% calcium carbonate sand). Since the tray is narrow, I've been watering by running the water down the sides of the tray.

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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Rahz]
    #5084815 - 12/20/05 05:07 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

i am going to repeat it,
what u aer growing in there is panaeolus cyanescens, not any psilocybe cubensis.

due to, prolly grain sub, they develop that small as they need dung/straw in
order to really bloom.

still snap some pics of them :smile:
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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Rahz]
    #5084999 - 12/20/05 07:16 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

do the spikes bruise blue?


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5085134 - 12/20/05 08:31 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

If he says he bought all cube syringes, I believe it.... but is it possible Sporeworks just has so many spores in their lab that a cross-contamination occured? And if so, it'd have to be a very small amount if they're using sterile technique to fill those things. which bring up another question... would that cyan spore potentially beat out the cube spores in colonizing to produce fruit?? (i thought cyans were slower...  :confused:)

Still, that's the wierdest tray of "cubes" I've ever seen in 6 years of growing. I've NEVER seen any one of my cubes go spikey.... very strange!!


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Rahz]
    #5085149 - 12/20/05 08:38 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Someone had a thread a while back that had a mix up with a syringe from another vendor. He too grew from pf cakes and his fruits looked exactly like that.

There was even argument that they may be oysters in that thread, but I don't think they are.

They are, on the other hand, definitely NOT cubensis. I'm going to stick with pan cyans as well. I think the reason for the "weird" looking fruits is due to the fact that they are growing off of cased BRF cakes.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: srgtm1a]
    #5085240 - 12/20/05 09:11 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Someone had a thread a while back that had a mix up with a syringe from another vendor.



was that they guy who bought from ebay?
Sporeworks have a good rep, was this a free syringe by any chance?


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5085277 - 12/20/05 09:24 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

They do not bruise blue at all.

They've been growing for about 3 weeks now, the tiny caps didn't show up until 4-5 days ago.

They're very firm.

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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: blackout]
    #5085286 - 12/20/05 09:27 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

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Someone had a thread a while back that had a mix up with a syringe from another vendor.



was that they guy who bought from ebay?
Sporeworks have a good rep, was this a free syringe by any chance?




No, I believe he got his syringe from spores 101...but no doubt...both are very good vendors. Althought not often, they are human, and can make mistakes.

Hell, if they do turn out to be Pan Cyans, that's not exactly a bad thing....that's a mistake I'd be very happy with.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: srgtm1a]
    #5085319 - 12/20/05 09:37 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

The spores are from sporeworks. I also ordered PF albino a few weeks later, I inoculated 6 jars, and only one matured. The one jar of PF albino is also producing spikes. As I mentioned, I'm not the only one to have this problem with cubies, check the "Related Threads" at the bottom of this page and you'll see that others have encountered the same spikey occurance with cubies. I'm not doubting that they look like stunted pans, but I still don't think they are pans.

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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: srgtm1a]
    #5085321 - 12/20/05 09:38 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

They don't bruise? And they're already firm? hmm...... not cubies. Maybe not trippy either... wierd.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Rahz]
    #5085342 - 12/20/05 09:48 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

The person you may want to PM about this is Workman. He, if anybody, would have a better idea of what you have there. He knows a thing or two about the albino and could probably give you a good answer as to why it is happening.

The only other reason I could see that would cause weird fruits like that is the use of certain "cleaners".


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: coda]
    #5085348 - 12/20/05 09:53 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

well that's not necisarily true.
it is possible to grow shiitake mushrooms ons wbs cakes, but alot of the time the fruits get all mutated. I believe the same concept could be applied here... maybe.
i dunno, i guess we are gonna have to wait for more pics. althought i definately think that Rhaz shouold read up on live cultures and cloning, and attempt to clone the largest (and mature) fruit from this batch, then transfer onto more cakes to see if the same thing happens. one cake should be spawned to poo, also.
this is the only way we could be certain about whether or not this is a mutation or if it is a cyan.

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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: srgtm1a]
    #5085383 - 12/20/05 10:09 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

haha, I just did about an hour ago. If I thought this post would be so unresolved, I would have contacted him first :smile:

As I said, the pics are from what I believe are GTs, it's also happening to what I believe is PF Albino. I need to grab some batteries and will get more pics.

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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: blackout]
    #5085385 - 12/20/05 10:10 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

ah man, black out your right. I have deleted my previous post about spore works. It was negative and I never meant to aim at THAT company. Similar names kinda blob together sometimes. Just had to clear that up. My mistake. Good luck with your grow.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Rahz]
    #5085419 - 12/20/05 10:31 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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haha, I just did about an hour ago. If I thought this post would be so unresolved, I would have contacted him first :smile:

As I said, the pics are from what I believe are GTs, it's also happening to what I believe is PF Albino. I need to grab some batteries and will get more pics.

Rahz




Well if it is happening to two different syringes with two different strains, there is something else going on.  Did you use any cleaning products like lysol etc?  Happening with one syringe and one strain is one thing....happening to multiple is another.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Rahz]
    #5085605 - 12/20/05 11:53 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Dude!

I don't post here much, but felt I must on this occasion.
DO NOT EAT THEM!!!!!!!!!!

If they are not bruising blue then they aren't even a psilocybe,Or a pan cyan and they are deff not hallucinogenic. My best guess is that they are stray spores introduced by you of some foreign/weed shroom from your local area. Do u use a glove box?? If not make one cheap and easy. Don't bother bout attaching the gloves, just wear new disposables and wipe your hands and arms in 100% isopropyl. I've only heard of mutations from diesel/petroleum contaminants(from limestone processing,etc)Sporeworks are far too reputable, so I'm guessing it's a problem on your end.

Remember Blue bruising = Psilocin/psilocybin!!!!

No blue bruise = Chuck it in the bin before it sporulates!!!!!!!

I'd chuck em, a trip ain't worth your life!!!!


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: naja]
    #5086060 - 12/20/05 02:16 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

this thread is like a really good scary movie. i don't wanna know, but i have to know! every time i click on it to read recent posts i quickly scroll down so i don't have to see that picture. but still its memory is so clear.ugh it's so creapy!


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: srgtm1a]
    #5086707 - 12/20/05 05:56 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Final post before I let this thread fade away (unless they grow into something interesting)

I'm beginning to accept the possibility that the odd shrooms A- aren't cubies and B- that I mislabeled something. It's very hard for me to accept that I did mislabel, as I was fairly meticulous about it. It's possible that I mislabeled the casing trays...

Anyway, looking closely, I have another mini casing of GT that's showing spikes. They are small (about 1/3 inch) and there are only a handful. And as I said, also a mini casing of PF Albino showing spikes. So perhaps I mislabeled, but I'm pretty sure I only had one jar of PFA mature. I took some pics, but my camera doesn't do well up close and the spikes in the other 2 trays are so small they don't show up well and aren't worth posting.

To put to rest the chance that it's procedure, here's a pic of a bulk grow, tray cleaned in the same manner as the others, misted with the same solution, from BRF jars prepared in the same manner, fruiting in the same chamber as the spikes. The only difference is that this was spawned to straw, whereas the spikes were crumbled and cased.



I'll let them keep growing (spores don't float around do they?) and see what happens. They are quite tough, like rubber, until you squeeze them and break the cellular structure. No bluing whatsoever. This is what's making me think a syringe was mislabeled, and I subsequently mislabeled, as I already have GT fruits from another casing, and I only ordered cubies. All syringes were saved and looking over them (as if I would miss that) they are all labeled as cubies.

I PMed Workman earlier today, hopefully he'll post with some ideas.

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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Rahz]
    #5086778 - 12/20/05 06:14 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Spores do float around. I've been reading this off and on. It's intriguing. I'd still like to see what some of the more experienced members have to say, seeing as how few have posted in here.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: demiu5]
    #5087231 - 12/20/05 08:27 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Spores are so small, they are airfloat. That's how (one way) fungi propagate.

As mentioned, DO NOT go eating those without first identifying them with 100% certainty. You may have gotten a novelty spore that produces mycotoxins.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Rahz]
    #5087284 - 12/20/05 08:39 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Those are nothing familiar to me. Apparently it is some sort of contaminate either in your environment or from the syringes. Contact customer service at Spore Works for replacements.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Workman]
    #5087469 - 12/20/05 09:32 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

never seen anything like that before...

but im sure someone with more experience will come through here soon and learn us all.

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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: jsmits]
    #5088069 - 12/20/05 11:57 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

if workman hasnt see it you know you stumbled onto something pretty cool. 

Workman- Any chance on you using your 31337 14b h4x0rin6 skills to ID this contam?  Id really love to know what the hell this is so if it does come up again we can give a definitive answer.  Plus i hate not being able to figure shit out, it drives me NUTS.  Plus if it did truly turn out to be cubensis.... :laugh: 

Either way this is a really neat looking contam/mutant/whatever the fuck it is :smile: From one mycologist to another i think you should totally let these things fruit to "maturity", at least let them sit long enough to see if they do anything else nifty.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Rahz]
    #5088098 - 12/21/05 12:04 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Final thoughts:

I'm chucking the spikes, it's too cold to move them out of the house so, in the garbage they go.

These aren't any type of magic mushroom, and since I have GT fruits from another casing, the syringe couldn't be at fault. I'm declining the offer of a replacement syringe, thanks Workman  :thumbup:

I used the PF tek without a PC (boiled), and flipped my jars halfway through (thus disrupting the top verm layer). I can only assume that the offending mushroom entered my jars, or was in the brown rice or verm, and boiling didn't kill it.

I'm now using a PC, and tyvek covered jars with injection ports. Just goes to show that sterility and proper equipment makes a difference.

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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Rahz]
    #5088106 - 12/21/05 12:06 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

booo :wink:


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: coda]
    #5088652 - 12/21/05 06:42 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

yah man, you should let them grow, and try to get some spores. hell, i'd trade you a syringe for a few prints of the wierdo mutant.
i'd love to investigate this more.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: NESpores]
    #5089526 - 12/21/05 11:33 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Seriously, don't toss them out. I'm sure there are plenty of people on this board who would love to experiment with them. If anything, just seperate them from the rest of your casings and let them fruit out one go around. Maybe take some tissue samples or something if prints aren't an option. I'd suggest going to the advanced forums if you decide not to chuck them, you'll get better responses.


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    #5089545 - 12/21/05 11:39 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

alright, I'm keeping them in an unvented back room. It's about 65 in there, so we'll see how they do. The caps are tiny, so I personally don't have the skill to obtain spores, but I'll read up on collecting tissue samples, and see what I can do.

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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Rahz]
    #5090057 - 12/21/05 01:42 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

If you could keep this updated with pics, I would certainly be among the appreciative. :smile:


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: coda]
    #5090067 - 12/21/05 01:44 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I'd give it a go at an ID. It would be helpful to classify these things when they do occur.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Workman]
    #5090170 - 12/21/05 02:13 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Could have you accidentally inoculated a jar with 2 different strains? They indeed look like mushrooms and not a slime mold or something in that range. None that i've seen anyways. I'd harvest one to see how it reacts....


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Hotnuts]
    #5090192 - 12/21/05 02:18 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Whatever it is, it is not a contam. That spore syringe was made with spores for that mushroom. There is no way that a contamination is going to give that good of a pin set. Apparently they are not an active though, because they don't bruise. And I have a hard time believing its a mutant, because mutants are not that consistent.


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    #5090213 - 12/21/05 02:23 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Psychoslut said:

Whatever it is, it is not a contam. That spore syringe was made with spores for that mushroom. There is no way that a contamination is going to give that good of a pin set. Apparently they are not an active though, because they don't bruise. And I have a hard time believing its a mutant, because mutants are not that consistent.




I tend to agree with you bro.

Looks like a different species of mushroom...than a contam or a mutant strain of Cubensis to me.

They almost look like a Pan Cyan...to me.


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    #5090286 - 12/21/05 02:45 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

No bruising huh? Very odd! Well one things for certain, they're albino. lol! Pretty too, but i'm sure you could care less aye? Well, good luck man...


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Rahz]
    #5091806 - 12/21/05 10:38 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Here's a new pic of them. It's hard to see, but the more mature caps are forming flying saucer like nipples. The gills are visible on the underside. I don't have anything to view them with, but there appears to be only about 15-20 primary gills, and others which don't reach the center. They also don't appear to run directly twards the center as some of them seem to run parallel with each other.



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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Rahz]
    #5091868 - 12/21/05 10:52 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Please get some samples to workman asap, i cant wait to hear the verdict.


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    #5092017 - 12/21/05 11:24 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

yah man, holy shit, wtf is that lol.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: coda]
    #5092034 - 12/21/05 11:29 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

It wouldn't have me so puzzled if it wasn't for the fact that they don't bruise blue.


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    #5092045 - 12/21/05 11:32 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: baraka]
    #5092927 - 12/22/05 07:34 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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but there appears to be only about 15-20 primary gills, and others which don't reach the center. They also don't appear to run directly twards the center as some of them seem to run parallel with each other.




Concerning what these "are supposed to be", even though that is not known fully...this statement sounds like a mutation, does it not?


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: demiu5]
    #5093010 - 12/22/05 08:25 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

i said earlier before they were probably mutant cubes. But the thing is he said he had two trays of them. So either something funky is in your air, or it was cross contam'ed.


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    #5093014 - 12/22/05 08:26 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

It really does sound like that....and I'm pretty sure that is what it is. As I said in a previous post.....I have seen a thread a while back with another user that had fruits that looked 100% the same as those.

The grayish white stems all the way up to the really small caps. That users fruits did not bruise either, and it was from a dif vendor.

I've been trying to find that thread, but that was at least 4mo ago..hard for me to locate.

Either way...it would still be cool to get a proper id on it. I don't think anyone ever found out what that other users mushrooms were.

I don't think that it is just a random spore that got into the mix, the pin set is far too even for that to be the case.

IMO, it's definitely a mutation/deformity that is caused by something else (cleaners etc)....especially since he is getting this result with other strains from dif syringes.

Something definitely going on with the grow environment.

heheh I'm sure Rahz didn't expect this thread to be this long/interesting.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: srgtm1a]
    #5093044 - 12/22/05 08:43 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I got little (1 cm) spikes when I tried cakes. It was vegatative growth from a lack of pinning triggers. Lack of FAE is known to cause long, thin stems and underdeveloped caps. I bet it's an albino strain with poor fruiting abilities that's genetically wired to need an inordinate amount of fresh air.


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    #5093166 - 12/22/05 09:30 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

FAE is not the problem. I'm running a Vics cool mist 24/7. I use chlorinated tap water (otherwise I'd be carting in cases of water). RH is 99% (I decided to leave them in the pre-fruiting chamber since you guys are enjoying this). I'm going to send Workman spore prints if I can get them, and some tissue samples. They don't seem to be mature enough yet, and they're going on week 4, so it will probably be several days to a week before spores start dropping. Another observation, no veils, unless I'm just missing them.

This also grew in the pre-fruiting chamber (now in 90% humidity), so the environment is good. *rubs hands* I'll probably be picking tomorrow, my first respectable haul!



Other than the chlorinated tap water in the Vics (which is the only place I use it) I don't know what I could do to make them any happier.

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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Rahz]
    #5093249 - 12/22/05 10:02 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Did you use anything to disinfect the air or the tubs? The disinfectant chems are the most likely culprit for a mutation like that, especially if its seen in another tray.


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    #5093304 - 12/22/05 10:20 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

No, I cleaned the tubs with alcohol, and they had plenty of time to dry before anything went in them. The aluminum trays, I rinsed and stuck them in the oven @ 400 for a few minutes. The only time I used lysol was pre-inoculation, and of course, didn't rain lysol down onto the jars, they came out of the tub after the lysol settled.

If it is a mutation, I have 3 containers of them, making the mutation pretty consistant, but I don't think chems got in through procedure.

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    #5093363 - 12/22/05 10:35 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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    #5093367 - 12/22/05 10:38 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)




oh yeah....and:



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    #5117097 - 12/28/05 10:02 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Well, here's my contam mushrooms again. It looks like I can get a print now. The largest caps are about a centimeter in diameter and they've got a wavy thing going on.



And here's a closeup:



I'll send the prints and a sample to Workman. I've been advised that the spores will likely be white, so I'm going to take a card, and place a strip of electrical tape on it, place in the oven @ 300, let it cool, place caps on the tape, and cover with a glass, let sit for 24 hours, remove glass, fold the card and tape the edges. Once I have some prints and some dry samples, I'm chunking it, so this will be the last pic (not much more to see anyway). I hope everyone has enjoyed my contam mushrooms!

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    #5117222 - 12/28/05 10:43 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Suggest you make a print on side by side sanitized glass slides. Then, once layed & dry, cover those with sanitized glass slides, then tape them togather. That will make things a little more easy for workman.


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    #5117224 - 12/28/05 10:44 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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    #5117226 - 12/28/05 10:45 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

you know what the really shitty part about that casing is? That was a really nice pinset that went to semi-waste.


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    #5117252 - 12/28/05 10:56 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

>>>>Suggest you make a print on side by side sanitized glass slides.

Doh, I think I've misplaced the slides that came with my spores  :blush: I could order some if it would make things that much better...

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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? updated [Re: Rahz]
    #5117386 - 12/28/05 11:55 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Spore prints on GLASS slides are the BOMB.
They go under a scope EASY. You can remove spores with your Excato knife scalpel, with ease.

They are not spendy to mail, either.
Simple small bubble wrap envelope does the trick.

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LOL, I picked out a 2X4 sheet of single strength & had the clerk cut it ALL into 4 inch squares. He was sort of miffed about it. So, as he was cutting it all, I went next door to a liquor store, bought a 5th of whiskey & gave it to him, for a job WELL DONE.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? updated [Re: agar]
    #5117403 - 12/29/05 12:01 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Thats luck, are they still having the deal.


Id buy some aquares from you.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? updated [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5117666 - 12/29/05 01:57 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Oh come on Rhaz, please send me a print!
Id be amazed if those bastards dropped any spores at all, but if they do, please for the love of all that is holy to anybody SEND ME A PRINT!
I have ethno seeds (including HBWR) pm me if your interested in anything like that...

thanks man!


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? updated [Re: NESpores]
    #5117755 - 12/29/05 02:36 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Dude these mushrooms are some crazy shit. I am also intrested in this.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? updated [Re: stoner4life]
    #5117873 - 12/29/05 04:40 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? updated [Re: Hoss]
    #5118330 - 12/29/05 09:37 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Check around. Flammulina velutipes does not look like that, at least not from mykoweb.com pictures. Either they have that mislabeled or something. Plus, it grows on logs/trees. Also, according to my guide, they are called Enotake; granted the book says the commercial ones sold look different from the wild ones. Search mykoweb for Flammulina velutipes and look at the pics, I'm just going by what I found.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? updated [Re: demiu5]
    #5118375 - 12/29/05 09:56 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Spore print color would help us determine genus. Flammulina seems a likely candidate, spores should be white.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? updated [Re: demiu5]
    #5118377 - 12/29/05 09:59 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

There are quite a few varieties of Enoki; some look similar to the mushrooms in question.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? updated [Re: Rahz]
    #5118408 - 12/29/05 10:12 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

There was a similar post a while back.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/2950022#Post2950022

Too bad the pictures are gone. His spikes looked very similar to these and eventually developed caps. They were growing from the same tray as healthy cubes.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? updated [Re: shroomydan]
    #5118535 - 12/29/05 10:53 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

my vote is on a cube mutant, simply because he didnt spawn to wood or poo so that rules out cyans and that enoki that was brought up.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? [Re: Rahz]
    #5118563 - 12/29/05 11:02 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Rahz said:
alright, I'm keeping them in an unvented back room. It's about 65 in there, so we'll see how they do. The caps are tiny, so I personally don't have the skill to obtain spores, but I'll read up on collecting tissue samples, and see what I can do.

Rahz


YOU NEED TO KEEP THIS CULTURE AT ALL COST. If The All Mighty Workman hasn't seen this before(and you got it from him), this is worth keeping a live tissue sample and spore sample. this needs to be identified whether it is cubie, cyan or neither of the two. if none of us have ever come accross this species/mutation... it is worth some manhours of research on it. so take the spore samples and live tissue samples and mail them into workman. if he can't figure this one out i don't think we ever will.whatever you do DON'T EAT UNIDENTIFIED MUSHROOMS.


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    #5120376 - 12/29/05 08:20 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Is that coral you're growing? :wink:


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? *DELETED* [Re: r2_]
    #5120761 - 12/29/05 10:33 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

i can't believe i have been passing this thread up for the past week or so. this is interesting stuff... i would love to take a look at those under a microscope. look like pans to me.

when chopping off their caps. the stem changed no color at all??? that is wierd. would love to hear more info from workman


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? updated [Re: coda]
    #5120820 - 12/29/05 10:55 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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my vote is on a cube mutant, simply because he didnt spawn to wood or poo so that rules out cyans and that enoki that was brought up.




once again, people are forgetting about the Shiitake that grow on WBS but are almost always mutated. So why couldn't it be Cyans trying to fruit, and ending up being mutants because of the improper substrate?


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? updated [Re: Rahz]
    #5121017 - 12/30/05 12:45 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Panaeolus (Copelandia) cyanescens


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    #5121307 - 12/30/05 03:43 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

nice mmmmmmm looks gooood!


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? updated [Re: NESpores]
    #5121486 - 12/30/05 08:09 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Or mutated Enoki fruiting from grain.

Mushrooms will attempt to eat whatever their spores land on, and it's not hard to imagine, with millions of chances for variation, that some strains of wood lovers may successfully fruit from grain.

I doubt they are pans or cubes because they lack the bluing reaction. Though morphological mutations are common, it seems bio-chemistry should be pretty consistent within a species.

Of course, without a spore print, we are just speculating.


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? updated [Re: Rahz]
    #5137135 - 01/03/06 11:53 PM (18 years, 28 days ago)

Another update. I've got a spore print, that and samples going in the mail tomorrow. I printed on black card stock, and the spores are a whitish color. The mushrooms are at around 6 weeks old now, and continue to grow. The tallest are around 3 inches. Most of them have this wavy appearance going on.



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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? updated [Re: Rahz]
    #5137152 - 01/03/06 11:59 PM (18 years, 28 days ago)

Very cool, Thanks for keeping us updated!
Should be interesting to see what they turn out to be!!!


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Re: spikes again (with pics!) analysis? updated [Re: Rahz]
    #5137630 - 01/04/06 03:17 AM (18 years, 28 days ago)

The last pic you posted is fkn crazy.... These little fungus friends never cease to amaze me... Keep us posted!


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