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my schizofrenic friend (who got it from doing hallucinogens) is going to smoke salvia
    #5081555 - 12/19/05 11:44 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

so I know this kid, whos mom had severe schizofrenia, and when he was 12 or so he dropped lots of acid, did ether and pcp and shrooms and salvia, now he has really really severe schizofrenia, and is a pretty fucked up person who cant function well nad has paranoid thoughts. he also drinks alcohol every day to self medicate.

he smoked some salvia extract but he didnt break thru, and he said he loved it and it made hinm feel unschizofrenic.. hes going to break thru on 20x again he says... is this a bad idea? i mean, i told him thats a really bad idea, but he says hes still going to do it... if he didnt have a bad experiance when he smoked a littleb it maybe he wont have a bad trip?


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Re: my schizofrenic friend (who got it from doing hallucinogens) is going to smoke salvia [Re: dubbyah]
    #5081581 - 12/19/05 11:53 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Yes this is a bad idea, you can't physically stop him but you should try to dissuade him. Just because he smoked a little and didn't have a bad trip means nothing, 20x can be very strong.


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Re: my schizofrenic friend (who got it from doing hallucinogens) is going to smoke salvia [Re: abrad84]
    #5081634 - 12/19/05 12:15 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

i don't think schizo is caused by psychodelics. if his mom has it i'd say he got it from genetics. seriously, if psycho's caused schizo's i'd be locked up.


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Re: my schizofrenic friend (who got it from doing hallucinogens) is going to smoke salvia [Re: iateshaggy]
    #5081643 - 12/19/05 12:17 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

it's very well known that if one is genetically predisposed, hallucinogens can trigger latent schizo.


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Re: my schizofrenic friend (who got it from doing hallucinogens) is going to smoke salvia [Re: iateshaggy]
    #5081728 - 12/19/05 12:43 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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i don't think schizo is caused by psychodelics. if his mom has it i'd say he got it from genetics. seriously, if psycho's caused schizo's i'd be locked up.




its not the "cause" its a "trigger" he already had a problem and it just took that one "thing" to push him over the "edge". alright i admit i went crazy with the whole "thing"


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Re: my schizofrenic friend (who got it from doing hallucinogens) is going to smoke salvia [Re: lemon_lw]
    #5082402 - 12/19/05 03:28 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

he may be on a quest
let him go
let him be


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Re: my schizofrenic friend (who got it from doing hallucinogens) is going to smoke salvia [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5082473 - 12/19/05 03:47 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Well, you could try to dissuade him from it but by the sounds of it I doubt that'll work. In the end it's his choice, who knows maybe it'll help him somehow. At least it's salvia, a bad trip lasts all of 10 minutes or so. Although it could still be damaging for him at least he's not risking a 5 hour nightmare.

I'm not sure how you'd trip sit a schitzophrenic but it'd probably be a good idea to do this at least the first few times.


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    #5082881 - 12/19/05 05:26 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: my schizofrenic friend (who got it from doing hallucinogens) is going to smoke salvia [Re: Psilicubes]
    #5083023 - 12/19/05 06:06 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

You've warned him, warn him again, make sure he understands the risks, if he decides to go ahead anyways and ends up screwing himself up even more than he already is well... Natural selection is somewhat self inflicted...


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Re: my schizofrenic friend (who got it from doing hallucinogens) is going to smoke salvia [Re: StickyWater]
    #5259259 - 02/03/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

From reading Terrance mckeena and listening to schizophrenic people talk it seems like schizophrenics are just people on a different level of consciousness than everyone Else they just don't understand what is happening to them and our way of living doesn't help.when you are surrouned by people who tell you that your sick you are and certainly if your mind in such a diffrent place and you dont know what is happening. but Terrance mckeena points out that some shamans are schizophrenic. so i just don't think people with schizophrenia are at all messed up and shouldn't refrain from doing anything just because some person says they have a mental disorder. If you think about it the only reason schizophrenic people are schizophrenic is because the majority of people feel how they feel and can tell that "schizophrenics" feel and think differently. You can call people "schizophrenic" but they are really just people who feel different from you IE everyone. mental disorders are defined but the culture not the person them self. and i feel like people telling people who are schizophrenic that they are that just makes them think they are sick forever instead of having them just work out the way they feel and put there reality back in working order. mental disorders are just another barrir created by people that is unnessary and places you father from reality.


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Re: my schizofrenic friend (who got it from doing hallucinogens) is going to smoke salvia [Re: so_me_tuo]
    #5259468 - 02/03/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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From reading Terrance mckeena and listening to schizophrenic people talk it seems like schizophrenics are just people on a different level of consciousness than everyone Else they just don't understand what is happening to them and our way of living doesn't help.when you are surrouned by people who tell you that your sick you are and certainly if your mind in such a diffrent place and you dont know what is happening. but Terrance mckeena points out that some shamans are schizophrenic. so i just don't think people with schizophrenia are at all messed up and shouldn't refrain from doing anything just because some person says they have a mental disorder. If you think about it the only reason schizophrenic people are schizophrenic is because the majority of people feel how they feel and can tell that "schizophrenics" feel and think differently. You can call people "schizophrenic" but they are really just people who feel different from you IE everyone. mental disorders are defined but the culture not the person them self. and i feel like people telling people who are schizophrenic that they are that just makes them think they are sick forever instead of having them just work out the way they feel and put there reality back in working order. mental disorders are just another barrir created by people that is unnessary and places you father from reality.




Ya thats pretty deep and this probably does apply for some other sublte Mental disorders but Schizophrenics, no. THe yardstick of sanity can only be measured in funtionality..Shizoids are for the most part not functionalable without receiving proper treatment. Have you ever been around severe manic Schizoids? THe ones that spend they're whole life in lock-down asylums. I guess perhaps in some type of reality they could symbiotically exist but Im not gonna consider the thought until then.


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Re: my schizofrenic friend (who got it from doing hallucinogens) is going to smoke salvia [Re: so_me_tuo]
    #5259493 - 02/03/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Give us an update after he smokes the stuff. It'd be interesting to know if salvia could possibly help schizophrenics. I'd say let him do it for science.


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Re: my schizofrenic friend (who got it from doing hallucinogens) is going to smoke salvia [Re: Jackattack]
    #5259506 - 02/03/06 02:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Is terrence mckenna shizofrenic? you would have thought so after reading some of his ideas, but i got the impression he was alrite?


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Re: my schizofrenic friend (who got it from doing hallucinogens) is going to smoke salvia [Re: Mushy_face]
    #5259654 - 02/03/06 03:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

terrence was very indulged
I am not happy with the trail he left and how it is so pumped up
dmturner was more scientific, but not a good swimmer when it came to the last dunk.
anyway
the thing about schizophrenics (and drug experimenters) is that you can't really generalize.
often schizophrenics will dicard entire social and consensual rulesets exhibiting a great deal of fluidity in almost any mental activity.
in a way habit is less of a controling factor, and will itself is exposed as a primal mover, accessible, naked and raw.


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Re: my schizofrenic friend (who got it from doing hallucinogens) is going to smoke salvia [Re: Mushy_face]
    #5259655 - 02/03/06 03:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The brief way you described him described me when i was 16 and started doing looots of psychedelic drugs. Now that im older, i see other young kids doing what i did and i perceive them as extremely strange.


I guess what im saying is - kids will be kids, and im glad i did the experimentation i did when i was young. I still have a strange mindset but am reasonably functional. It took a couple years to flatten out..

Concern is great - redefine normal, hopefully he succeeds. You wont change him.


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Re: my schizofrenic friend (who got it from doing hallucinogens) is going to smoke salvia [Re: so_me_tuo]
    #5259951 - 02/03/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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From reading Terrance mckeena and listening to schizophrenic people talk it seems like schizophrenics are just people on a different level of consciousness than everyone Else they just don't understand what is happening to them and our way of living doesn't help.when you are surrouned by people who tell you that your sick you are and certainly if your mind in such a diffrent place and you dont know what is happening. but Terrance mckeena points out that some shamans are schizophrenic. so i just don't think people with schizophrenia are at all messed up and shouldn't refrain from doing anything just because some person says they have a mental disorder. If you think about it the only reason schizophrenic people are schizophrenic is because the majority of people feel how they feel and can tell that "schizophrenics" feel and think differently. You can call people "schizophrenic" but they are really just people who feel different from you IE everyone. mental disorders are defined but the culture not the person them self. and i feel like people telling people who are schizophrenic that they are that just makes them think they are sick forever instead of having them just work out the way they feel and put there reality back in working order. mental disorders are just another barrir created by people that is unnessary and places you father from reality.




Ah yes...Terrence talks about this phenomenon in his book "The Invisible Landscape". He talks about the connections between the shamanic mindset and the schizophrenic, and how western culture MAY have writen these people off.

Think about it...I feel MUCH more schizophrenic now than before I started using psychedelics.

I think that being "schizophrenic" is the ultimate goal of any indigenous shaman. It's not a sickness to them...it's a state of awareness. This state is channeled and controlled through shamanic techniques passed down from shamnan to aprentence. Children who exhibit signs of "mental illness" (like epilepsy for example) are not seen as "sick" but gifted, and are often taken under the wing of the local shaman as an apprentence.

The shaman shuns his culture and lives on the edge of the vilage in solitude, because he obviously has no interest in the every-day squabbles of his culture. His people understand are respect that relationship because they themselves are more tuned into that mindstate than we currently are.


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Re: my schizofrenic friend (who got it from doing hallucinogens) is going to smoke salvia [Re: dubbyah]
    #5260049 - 02/03/06 05:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

He should not use psychedelics and salvia.

It is prone to increase his suffering and decrease his grasp on reality. The salvia may last three minutes, but the consequences for a schizophrenic may last three years.
And it may even be a pleasant salvia experience causing all this misery.


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Re: my schizofrenic friend (who got it from doing hallucinogens) is going to smoke salvia [Re: Asante]
    #5260153 - 02/03/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

There is a chance that Salvia might be unlike serotonergic entheogens and does not pose a risk of aggravating schizophrenia, but I really don't think that this is a risk worth taking in this situation.

Kappa opioid agonists like Salvinorin A decrease dopamine levels in certain brain areas, so they are doing exactly the opposite of most other entheogens or 'drugs'. That might be a reason why your friend described an improvement of his symptoms. However, the long-term effects or possible rebound-effects are unknown, so... see the first paragraph.


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Re: my schizofrenic friend (who got it from doing hallucinogens) is going to smoke salvia [Re: so_me_tuo]
    #5260175 - 02/03/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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pheonix said:
From reading Terrance mckeena and listening to schizophrenic people talk it seems like schizophrenics are just people on a different level of consciousness than everyone Else they just don't understand what is happening to them and our way of living doesn't help.when you are surrouned by people who tell you that your sick you are and certainly if your mind in such a diffrent place and you dont know what is happening. but Terrance mckeena points out that some shamans are schizophrenic. so i just don't think people with schizophrenia are at all messed up and shouldn't refrain from doing anything just because some person says they have a mental disorder. If you think about it the only reason schizophrenic people are schizophrenic is because the majority of people feel how they feel and can tell that "schizophrenics" feel and think differently. You can call people "schizophrenic" but they are really just people who feel different from you IE everyone. mental disorders are defined but the culture not the person them self. and i feel like people telling people who are schizophrenic that they are that just makes them think they are sick forever instead of having them just work out the way they feel and put there reality back in working order. mental disorders are just another barrir created by people that is unnessary and places you father from reality.




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Re: my schizofrenic friend (who got it from doing hallucinogens) is going to smoke salvia [Re: Asante]
    #5260201 - 02/03/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Alright, since it seems your friend with schizophrenia will keep on using drugs despite your point of view on this whole thing, tell him that if he trys to do 20x again and it actually "solves" his problems, ask him if he feels alright when hes not on it because i know that less severe forms of depression can be "solved" by using empathogens such as mdma for <some> people, but then again with the use of most drugs by depressed people for "self-medication" it helps only when they are on it. Something like this is very dangerous because it ends up with addiction to the substance/s, and with mdma can even make it worse and not help anymore when using it.

Back to the "solving" of mental illnesses/ problems issue. Some spirtual experiences can lead a suicidual person in the right path, causing them to think very postively. Same with mental illnesses, an expereince "could" possibly cure their problem, but it varies with each mental illness/problem and each human. I do think that a person who is depressed by events and does not have a chemical imbalance can become happy again with a spirtual experience, though its risky. But with something more severe and harder to treat, the risks get bigger. Most likely if your friend feels "alright" on the 20x, even though if he feels alright from the 20x it might seem he likes insainty(20x is pretty intense stuff, i dont feel it could cure me of something but i enjoy the intensity to ecscape from reality for a little, but it seems for him it would probably make him even crazier, he will only feel alright on it only when he is on it. If he has a severe case one use wont "cure" it off, most likely if he did it everyday it wouldnt even help much, it could even trigger something deeper. My dearest opnion is that he should seek medical guidance with a professional in the field of pyschriatric disorders and medinical sciences; they will probably help him recover the most he can with intense mental and physical thearpy consisting of techniques and classes, with the use of anti-depressants as well.


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