Home | Community | Message Board

MagicBag Grow Bags
Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale, Red Vein Kratom

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | Next >  [ show all ]
InvisibleAlex213
Stranger
Registered: 08/22/05
Posts: 1,839
Castro, Chavez and Operation Miracle
    #5077605 - 12/18/05 11:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Sure sounds better than Operation Enduring Freedom...


Castro's 'miracle' cures the poor of blindness
By Tom Fawthrop in Havana
Published: 18 December 2005

The rich tourists whose luxury yachts once crowded the idyllic Marina Hemingway complex on the outskirts of the Cuban capital are shocked to find all Havana's hotel rooms fully booked until mid-2006. More than a dozen hotels have been temporarily closed to tourists to make way for a different kind of visitor. Most of them arrive nearly blind; but all will be able to see perfectly before they leave.

A remarkable humanitarian programme is under way here, which aims to restore the sight of six million people through free eye surgery. Launched in July by the 79-year-old Cuban President, Fidel Castro, and Venezuela's Socialist leader, President Hugo Chavez, Operation Miracle has brought daily planeloads of the poor from across Latin America and the Caribbean to Havana for surgery. Cuba provides the medical skills, Venezuela the petro-dollars.

People suffering from cataracts and other eye conditions that can be quickly remedied are candidates.

Cuba's comprehensive, free healthcare system has a ratio of one doctor for every 170 Cubans, compared with 188 in the US and 250 in the UK.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article333837.ece


Extras: Filter Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator Top
OfflineDivided_Sky
Ten ThousandThings

Registered: 11/02/03
Posts: 3,171
Loc: The Shining Void
Last seen: 13 years, 7 months
Re: Castro, Chavez and Operation Miracle [Re: Alex213]
    #5078088 - 12/18/05 02:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If only he could give a few miracles to all the political prisoners he's got locked away and tortured. Real humanitarian.


--------------------
1. "After an hour I wasn't feeling anything so I decided to take another..."
2. "We were feeling pretty good so we decided to smoke a few bowls..."
3. "I had to be real quiet because my parents were asleep upstairs..."


Extras: Filter Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator Top
InvisibleAlex213
Stranger
Registered: 08/22/05
Posts: 1,839
Re: Castro, Chavez and Operation Miracle [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #5078411 - 12/18/05 04:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Is there any chance that Bush would help these blind people see? Thank God these guys have managed to reject the "free-market" and actually help people who need it.


Extras: Filter Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator Top
OfflineAncalagon
AgnosticLibertarian

Registered: 07/30/02
Posts: 1,364
Last seen: 12 years, 11 months
Re: Castro, Chavez and Operation Miracle [Re: Alex213]
    #5078443 - 12/18/05 04:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Is there any chance that Bush would help these blind people see?



If it were politically opportune I'm sure he would find it in his heart to direct my money to this end. As I can't see how it would be, no, he won't 'help these blind people see.' Don't make the mistake of thinking Bush would make this as champion of the laissez-faire society -- he is a statist of the same ilk as Castro and Chavez.

Quote:

Thank God these guys have managed to reject the "free-market" and actually help people who need it.



I wonder if you asked some Venezuelan slave-laborer (you know, the ones you are so sympathetic towards) whether, given the choice, he would rather:

    (a) keep a little more of his meager earnings to better provide for his destitute family

    -or-

    (b) have his meager earnings forcibly taken from him and given to some other unfortunate individuals

he would choose option (b). For some reason I doubt it.


--------------------
?When Alexander the Great visted the philosopher Diogenes and asked whether he could do anything for him, Diogenes is said to have replied: 'Yes, stand a little less between me and the sun.' It is what every citizen is entitled to ask of his government.?
-Henry Hazlitt in 'Economics in One Lesson'


Extras: Filter Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator Top
InvisibleAlex213
Stranger
Registered: 08/22/05
Posts: 1,839
Re: Castro, Chavez and Operation Miracle [Re: Ancalagon]
    #5078508 - 12/18/05 04:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

he is a statist of the same ilk as Castro and Chavez.


I don't think so. He wouldn't dream of putting any money into helping poor blind people see again. Imagine how many people blind people he could have helped with the money pissed away on Iraq for example.

wonder if you asked some Venezuelan slave-laborer

I didn't know western corporations operated many sweatshops in Venezuela.

For some reason I doubt it.

Any evidence for this? Chavez is wildly popular and wins every election. Clearly someone supports him. Spending money helping poor blind people to see is the antithesis of the free-market philosophy but I think you'd find most reasonable people would support it.

Didn't you even feel the slightest flash of happiness at reading a story like this? You'd honestly prefer these blind people were left to suffer?


Extras: Filter Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator Top
InvisibleAlex213
Stranger
Registered: 08/22/05
Posts: 1,839
Re: Castro, Chavez and Operation Miracle [Re: Alex213]
    #5078516 - 12/18/05 04:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

THE upmarket tourists and their luxury yachts that once swarmed the idyllic Marina Hemingway complex in Havana now find everything is booked out for months ahead. More than a dozen Havana hotels have been temporarily closed to tourists.

The reason is not a political crisis but a massive influx of a different kind of visitor to Cuba as Venezuela's petro-dollars fund "Operation Miracle" - a remarkable undertaking to take planeloads of the poor to Cuba for eye-surgery.


"I can see again," shouted a headline in the Jamaican Gleaner, a newspaper which carried an accompanying story about 23 poor patients from Jamaica who had just returned from successful eye operations in Cuba.

Jamaican Raymond Sterling, was elated just after his cataract was removed. "After going there [Cuba], I could see again like before," he said. "Everything was like heaven."

Since July 25, more than 3,000 people from ten Caribbean countries have had eye operations in Cuba funded by oil-rich Venezuela. Other patients from Central and South America bring the total to 100,000 free eye operations this year.

Elinor Sherlock, Jamaica's ambassador to Cuba, is impressed. "Over 500 Jamaicans have come here, some of them were blind, all of them poor. Now you see them staring with awe after the operation ...they can see again. Operation Miracle really is a miracle."

The brainchild of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and Cuban President Fidel Castro, this extraordinary humanitarian programme is offering free treatment to an estimated 4.5 million people suffering from eye-afflictions in Latin America and the Caribbean region over a ten-year period.

With its ramshackle third world economy, Cuba appears to be an unlikely rival to rich western nations in medical prowess and humanitarian aid.

But one of Castro's most respected achievements is the establishment of a comprehensive health system producing one doctor for every 170 people, compared to 188 in the US and 250 in the UK. Teams of Cuban doctors assess applicants for eye surgery before sending patients to Havana on special flights from ten Caribbean countries and more than 15 Latin American nations. On August 20, Cuba achieved what is almost certainly a world record - performing 1,648 eye operations at 20 hospitals in a single day.

Cuban eye surgeons are normally paid about 25 euros a month by the state, but five tourist hotels have been put at their disposal to ensure more comfort and facilities than they would get in their own homes.

All flights, accommodation and food are funded by the Venezuelan government as a result of various trade agreements. Cuba has been paying for vital shipments of 90,000 barrels of Venezuelan oil a day by helping President Chavez establish a free national health service in his country with the aid of 17,000 Cuban health professionals.

Under this agreement all Venezuelans - not only eye-patients - get free medical treatment in Havana's hospitals as part-payment for oil.

Cuba fields medical teams in 69 developing countries including 200 doctors and nurses in Pakistan's earthquake zone, and Castro offered to send the Henry Reeve Brigade of 1,500 doctors to aid Hurricane Katrina victims, an offer that was not taken up by the US government.

If more doctors and hospitals can be found outside Cuba, "Operation Miracle" will expand to 500,000 operations a year in 2006.

http://news.scotsman.com/health.cfm?id=2305142005


Extras: Filter Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator Top
Offlinelonestar2004
Live to party,work to affordit.
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/03/04
Posts: 8,978
Loc: South Texas
Last seen: 10 years, 9 months
Re: Castro, Chavez and Operation Miracle [Re: Alex213]
    #5078585 - 12/18/05 05:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http:/...MrDCPwQ25uAdQ5D

Tensions Rise as More Flee Cuba for U.S.
BY ABBY GOODNOUGH
Published: December 18, 2005

Coast Guard data show that 2,683 Cubans have been intercepted at sea this year, nearly double the amount for all of 2004.



The Cuban Government claims to have 99% literacy rate, best hospitals in the world, best schools, etc. Cuba is a paradise!!! Why would they want leave.

They are just being misled by Bush.....


--------------------
America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama


Extras: Filter Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator Top
OfflineAncalagon
AgnosticLibertarian

Registered: 07/30/02
Posts: 1,364
Last seen: 12 years, 11 months
Re: Castro, Chavez and Operation Miracle [Re: Alex213]
    #5078600 - 12/18/05 05:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Spending money helping poor blind people to see is the antithesis of the free-market philosophy but I think you'd find most reasonable people would support it.



How could it be that after all these years arguing with supporters of 'the free-martket philosophy' you still don't get it? Are you legally retarded? (I don't mean that as a flame so don't take it as such, I'm genuinely curious) For perhaps the fiftieth time, HELPING PEOPLE IS PERFECTLY IN LINE WITH THE FREE MARKET. What is not in line with the free market is STEALING from some people to help other people. Christ.


--------------------
?When Alexander the Great visted the philosopher Diogenes and asked whether he could do anything for him, Diogenes is said to have replied: 'Yes, stand a little less between me and the sun.' It is what every citizen is entitled to ask of his government.?
-Henry Hazlitt in 'Economics in One Lesson'


Extras: Filter Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator Top
OfflineAncalagon
AgnosticLibertarian

Registered: 07/30/02
Posts: 1,364
Last seen: 12 years, 11 months
Re: Castro, Chavez and Operation Miracle [Re: Alex213]
    #5078657 - 12/18/05 05:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

I don't think so. He wouldn't dream of putting any money into helping poor blind people see again.



If such a bill came to him he would almost certainly pass it. You realize, of course, that by and large the President does not make law, right Alex?

Quote:

Imagine how many people blind people he could have helped with the money pissed away on Iraq for example.



I'd rather not. The image of Americans with some more of their money in their own pockets is as far as I'll imagine. If they choose to direct it towards helping the blind then more power to them -- it is certainly a noble endeavor.

Quote:

I didn't know western corporations operated many sweatshops in Venezuela.



Are there no poor at all in Venezuela or has Chavez achieved the mythical Socialist utopia?

Quote:


Any evidence for this? Chavez is wildly popular and wins every election. Clearly someone supports him.



I never said he wasn't popular Alex. I never said he didn't win every election Alex. I never said people didn't support him Alex. What I said was, if you posed the question of whether you'd rather give your family a warm meal on Christmas, or have you money taken from you to finance a blind man's surgergy, to an (amendment -->) impoverished Venezuelan, by and large he would choose the former. No I cannot provide empirical evidence to back this up to you Alex, if you want to claim victory on account of that congratulations.

Quote:

Didn't you even feel the slightest flash of happiness at reading a story like this?



Nothing paradoxical about being happy for these fortunate people while at the same time being sad for those who were stolen from.

Quote:

You'd honestly prefer these blind people were left to suffer?



Lovely lefist emotional horseshit. Yes Alex, I would prefer these blind people were left to suffer. Not only that but I'm pissed off that these blind people were getting life-changing surgery instead of in a factory making my next pair of Nike Lebrons. Fucking slackers.


--------------------
?When Alexander the Great visted the philosopher Diogenes and asked whether he could do anything for him, Diogenes is said to have replied: 'Yes, stand a little less between me and the sun.' It is what every citizen is entitled to ask of his government.?
-Henry Hazlitt in 'Economics in One Lesson'


Extras: Filter Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator Top
InvisibleAlex213
Stranger
Registered: 08/22/05
Posts: 1,839
Re: Castro, Chavez and Operation Miracle [Re: Ancalagon]
    #5080432 - 12/19/05 01:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

HELPING PEOPLE IS PERFECTLY IN LINE WITH THE FREE MARKET. What is not in line with the free market is STEALING from some people to help other people

How many times are you going to repeat this idiocy? If people thought they were being stolen from they wouldn't keep voting the thiefs back into power. Get it? Jesus.


Extras: Filter Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator Top
InvisibleAlex213
Stranger
Registered: 08/22/05
Posts: 1,839
Re: Castro, Chavez and Operation Miracle [Re: Ancalagon]
    #5080440 - 12/19/05 01:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If such a bill came to him he would almost certainly pass it.

You misunderstand. I'm talking about Bush doing this of his own accord.

BTW, what makes you so sure he'd pass such a bill? Why didn't he already do it? Why did it take such poor countries as Venezuala and Cuba to do this?

I never said he wasn't popular Alex. I never said he didn't win every election Alex. I never said people didn't support him Alex. What I said was, if you posed the question of whether you'd rather give your family a warm meal on Christmas, or have you money taken from you to finance a blind man's surgergy, to an (amendment -->) impoverished Venezuelan, by and large he would choose the former

What I'd like is EVIDENCE to support your guess. If, as you claim, people wouldn't want to help the blind they would vote for one of the US funded opposition parties who would no doubt stop Operation Miracle immediately and make sure the money went to rich western corporations during privatisation instead. The choice is there.

Nothing paradoxical about being happy for these fortunate people while at the same time being sad for those who were stolen from.


Only you believe it is "stolen". Most reasonable people understand it isn't.

Lovely lefist emotional horseshit. Yes Alex, I would prefer these blind people were left to sufferNot only that but I'm pissed off that these blind people were getting life-changing surgery instead of in a factory making my next pair of Nike Lebrons. Fucking slackers.

Yawn...are you finished? So would you prefer they were left to suffer or not?


Extras: Filter Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator Top
OfflineAncalagon
AgnosticLibertarian

Registered: 07/30/02
Posts: 1,364
Last seen: 12 years, 11 months
Re: Castro, Chavez and Operation Miracle [Re: Alex213]
    #5081048 - 12/19/05 09:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

How many times are you going to repeat this idiocy? If people thought they were being stolen from they wouldn't keep voting the thiefs back into power. Get it? Jesus.



How *aren't* they being stolen from Alex? What would happen if they didn't pay their taxes? I'm sure some slaves in antebellum America were deluded into thinking that their masters rendered them a valuable service -- that without their masters they would be unable to survive. Perhaps if given the opportunity they would readily vote to keep their masters. That does not mean they are not slaves, Alex.


--------------------
?When Alexander the Great visted the philosopher Diogenes and asked whether he could do anything for him, Diogenes is said to have replied: 'Yes, stand a little less between me and the sun.' It is what every citizen is entitled to ask of his government.?
-Henry Hazlitt in 'Economics in One Lesson'


Extras: Filter Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator Top
OfflineAncalagon
AgnosticLibertarian

Registered: 07/30/02
Posts: 1,364
Last seen: 12 years, 11 months
Re: Castro, Chavez and Operation Miracle [Re: Alex213]
    #5081078 - 12/19/05 09:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

You misunderstand. I'm talking about Bush doing this of his own accord.



As I said, the President, by and large, does not create law. If Congress sent something to his desk to that effect I am sure he would pass it. If they didn't I'm sure that he wouldn't clamor for it. The reason for this is not because he is a heartless free-market capitalist, but because it would not be politically opportune.

Quote:

BTW, what makes you so sure he'd pass such a bill?



Because the bill would not make it to him in the first place if it did not have support in Congress, and it would almost certainly not have had the support of Congressmen and Senators if the constituents of those representatives loathed it, and if the American people by and large approved of it, President Bush would almost certainly sign it into law (he's yet to veto a single bill to my knowledge). That's how this stupid game works in America Alex.

Quote:

Why didn't he already do it?



Again, the President, by and large, does not make law. As to why this isn't something he's clamored for -- probably because he does not feel it to be as important as the other stupid things he is busy clamoring for.

Quote:

Why did it take such poor countries as Venezuala and Cuba to do this?



Because the leaders of those nations, for whatever reasons, felt it was something that was worth doing. Whether as PR stunts, to show up Washington and its allies, as a genuinely humanitarian gesture, or whatever.

Quote:


What I'd like is EVIDENCE to support your guess. If, as you claim, people wouldn't want to help the blind they would vote for one of the US funded opposition parties who would no doubt stop Operation Miracle immediately and make sure the money went to rich western corporations during privatisation instead. The choice is there.



I didn't say they don't want to help the blind Alex. I didn't even say they don't support 'Operation Miracle' Alex. In fact, I'm sure most of them support it greatly. What I said was, if you presented the choice that I outlined to an impoverished Venezuelan or an impoverished Cuban, and if that person had no political ramifications to fear for his choice, he would almost certainly choose a few more hot meals for his family over helping a blind person see. Again, this does not mean the person is heartless and thinks blind people don't deserve to see.

As to why they keep voting people like Chavez into office? Because, aside from the fact that the choice I outlined above is not the choice that's presented to these people in elections, one issue does not a candidate make (or break). Even if the people did disagree with Operation Miracle in the terms it's presented to them, and I'm sure they don't, that doesn't mean Chavez seems worse to them than his opponents. Perhaps they love everything else about him but hate this one thing. Or perhaps they hate almost everything about him but think the other guy would be worse (this is how American politics works). You'll note that I'm not bringing up strongarm tactics or election rigging at all -- I know hardly anything about the politics of Venezuela and am in no position to make allegations as such.

Quote:

Only you believe it is "stolen". Most reasonable people understand it isn't.



Say rather that only I and some others understand that it is stolen and most reasonable (being wrong on this account does not make them unreasonable) people believe that it isn't. When I use the drive-through of a McDonalds, the drive-through operator does not put a knife to my throat and say GIVE ME 49 CENTS SO THAT YOUR MEAL WILL BE SUPERSIZED, OR DIE. The entire transaction at this McDonalds is completely voluntary. If the person FORCED me to give up my 49 cents at knifepoint, that 49 cents is stolen regardless of the fact that my accoster supersized my meal. Do you agree or disagree that what I just described is theft?

Quote:

Yawn...are you finished? So would you prefer they were left to suffer or not?



Yes I would prefer they were left to suffer. Would you? I notice you're using a computer to respond to this thread -- what gives? Whether you own the computer or are paying to use an internet cafe', you are wasting money that could be spent helping blind Carribeans get life-changing surgery. Chop chop Alex.


--------------------
?When Alexander the Great visted the philosopher Diogenes and asked whether he could do anything for him, Diogenes is said to have replied: 'Yes, stand a little less between me and the sun.' It is what every citizen is entitled to ask of his government.?
-Henry Hazlitt in 'Economics in One Lesson'


Extras: Filter Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator Top
OfflineThe_Red_Crayon
Exposer of Truth
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/13/03
Posts: 13,673
Loc: Smokey Mtns. TN Flag
Last seen: 4 years, 8 months
Re: Castro, Chavez and Operation Miracle [Re: Ancalagon]
    #5081185 - 12/19/05 10:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

State controlled oil ancalagon.


Extras: Filter Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator Top
OfflineAncalagon
AgnosticLibertarian

Registered: 07/30/02
Posts: 1,364
Last seen: 12 years, 11 months
Re: Castro, Chavez and Operation Miracle [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #5081217 - 12/19/05 11:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

The_Red_Crayon said:
State controlled oil ancalagon.



Point being?


--------------------
?When Alexander the Great visted the philosopher Diogenes and asked whether he could do anything for him, Diogenes is said to have replied: 'Yes, stand a little less between me and the sun.' It is what every citizen is entitled to ask of his government.?
-Henry Hazlitt in 'Economics in One Lesson'


Extras: Filter Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator Top
OfflineThe_Red_Crayon
Exposer of Truth
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/13/03
Posts: 13,673
Loc: Smokey Mtns. TN Flag
Last seen: 4 years, 8 months
Re: Castro, Chavez and Operation Miracle [Re: Ancalagon]
    #5081419 - 12/19/05 12:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well what i mean is these programs are paid for by state controlled oil. Ya know Citgo. Chavez's mission statement was to do wealth distribution from state owned oil.


Extras: Filter Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator Top
InvisibleAlex213
Stranger
Registered: 08/22/05
Posts: 1,839
Re: Castro, Chavez and Operation Miracle [Re: Ancalagon]
    #5081464 - 12/19/05 01:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

How *aren't* they being stolen from Alex?

Because taxation is legal? Because if this money was considered "stolen" you could link me to many hundreds of thousands of cases where tax officials have been charged, prosecuted and sentenced for collecting taxes.

You may *think* it's stolen but the law doesn't agree with you. End of story.


Extras: Filter Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator Top
InvisibleAlex213
Stranger
Registered: 08/22/05
Posts: 1,839
Re: Castro, Chavez and Operation Miracle [Re: Ancalagon]
    #5081485 - 12/19/05 01:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Again, the President, by and large, does not make law

Is making funds available to help the blind see really considered "making law"?

that I outlined to an impoverished Venezuelan or an impoverished Cuban, and if that person had no political ramifications to fear for his choice, he would almost certainly choose a few more hot meals for his family over helping a blind person see

I don't think so. What are you going to do - send a cook around every family in Venezuala to cook them a "few hot meals" with this money? How far would they get? Sharing the money between every family in Venezuala isn't going to buy many hot meals.

If the person FORCED me to give up my 49 cents at knifepoint, that 49 cents is stolen regardless of the fact that my accoster supersized my meal. Do you agree or disagree that what I just described is theft?


It doesn't matter what I consider theft does it. It's what the law considers theft. And the law doesn't consider taxation to be theft. Otherwise every tax official would currently be in jail.

Yes I would prefer they were left to suffer

Ok.

Would you?

No. And if the government said it wanted to raise taxes to launch a similar program here I'd pay them gladly.

Incidentally, as Red pointed out, the money to pay for Operation Miracle is coming from petrochemical dollars rather than taxation on the impoverished anyway.


Extras: Filter Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator Top
Invisiblebukkake
LEFT WING NUT
Male

Registered: 05/28/05
Posts: 2,750
Loc: Classified
Re: Castro, Chavez and Operation Miracle [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #5081577 - 12/19/05 01:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Divided_Sky said:
If only he could give a few miracles to all the political prisoners he's got locked away and tortured. Real humanitarian.



I wonder if they got any tips from the Abu Gharib photos?


Edited by bukkake (12/19/05 01:57 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator Top
Offlinelonestar2004
Live to party,work to affordit.
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/03/04
Posts: 8,978
Loc: South Texas
Last seen: 10 years, 9 months
Re: Castro, Chavez and Operation Miracle [Re: Alex213]
    #5081593 - 12/19/05 01:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/2005/10/27/defect.shtml

MONTREAL, Canada (AFP): Over half the 40-member National Chorus of Cuba defected in Toronto and requested refugee status in the middle of a two-week tour of Canada, an official of the Canada-Cuba Foundation said Tuesday.

"More than 20 people, out of a total of 40, have deserted, including the deputy leader of the delegation," Ismael Sambra, president of the foundation, told AFP.

"They were warned that their families could face retaliation if they decided to flee," Sambra said."

Alex, did you forget to tell the defectors about "Operation Miracle"????


--------------------
America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama


Edited by lonestar2004 (12/19/05 01:58 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | Next >  [ show all ]

Shop: PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale, Red Vein Kratom


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Hugo Chavez
( 1 2 3 4 all )
Unagipie 5,007 70 08/29/05 09:53 AM
by LSDempire
* Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 all )
BrAiN 5,165 107 12/04/07 02:22 PM
by EntheogenicPeace
* Hugo Chavez can be re-elected indefinately
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 all )
lines 6,105 121 03/03/09 07:19 PM
by ScavengerType
* Castro reportedly did not want colostomy zorbman 552 1 01/18/07 12:39 PM
by zorbman
* Chavez swipes at 'assassin' Bush bukkake 1,323 15 08/29/05 09:50 AM
by LSDempire
* Chavez provides alternative for a decent society
( 1 2 all )
Alex213 2,576 34 05/16/06 12:04 PM
by Redstorm
* Chavez... gotta love the guy
( 1 2 3 4 all )
Phred 4,098 68 05/13/06 12:53 AM
by bukkake
* Good ol' Chavez KillerPicklez 656 11 09/29/08 09:50 AM
by KillerPicklez

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Enlil, ballsalsa
2,990 topic views. 0 members, 2 guests and 2 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Print Topic | ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2022 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.045 seconds spending 0.012 seconds on 20 queries.