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Psilocybe cubensis "B+" on straw
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Here is a B+ hay tray. The straw was pasteurized on 12/30 and inoculated w/ 3/4 pt B+ on PF BRF cake blended in a blender.



Close-up

Joshua

Edited by Annom (12/21/04 09:20 AM)

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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Joshua]
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Looking very good!


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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Joshua]
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nice! maybe its just that B+ is slower than KS but my KS straw casing looks a little bigger than that but it was fully brick-like colonized in 4 or 5 days and was pulling away from the sides before i cased it. like i said it also was a little bigger but i used about 2 1/2 pints of cakes. straw is rocking ass the way i see it. very; VERY easy.

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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Joshua]
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Thanks for posting that.

My friends are seriously considering that TEK and have been awaiting just such a post. The other straw tek posts didnt seem as promising.


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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Joshua]
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Looks good! Dude is in the process of trying this too. Keep us posted and good luck!!


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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Olgualion]
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Is that really HAY???

? looks like straw from here.


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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Jammer]
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It is straw. What?s the difference? Is it that hay has grain mixed in? This straw does have a bit of grain heads mixed in. I think I liked the sound of hay tray. I couldn?t think of anything catchy to go with straw.

Joshua


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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: BeppoMarx]
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Can you tell me what conditions the straw was colonised under. I have my straw kept with a layer of plastic wrap over it at about 85 deg C. I think also that I used a small ratio of spawn to straw. Have you any fruits yet?

I will be trying to post updates daily.

Joshua


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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Joshua]
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UPDATE(1/2/02 10PM)-I love my camera, except for the fact that it is a AA battery eater.





Joshua


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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Joshua]
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>It is straw. What?s the difference?
Hay is dried grass.
Straw are the stalks from grain plants, usually wheat.



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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Anno]
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THANK YOU SIR.

(I forgot what the diference was)


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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Joshua]
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How did you prepare your straw ?
I?m also going into this.

Peace,
MAIA


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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: MAIA]
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Straw is HIGHLY RECOMENDED HERE.

(others do disagree)


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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Joshua]
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So how did you pasterize the straw? Did you soak for 24 hours then cook at 160 for an hour?


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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: MAIA]
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I cut the straw w/ scissors into 2-3 inch pieces. Placed the straw in a collander and ran hot water over it while mixing it for 5 minutes. Then I placed the straw in a pillow case in a large pot. I placed a heavy plate over the straw to keep it submerged. I pasteurized for 1 hr @ 170 Deg C. Afterpasteurizing it I squeezed all excess water out and placed into clean collander to drain and cool. Once the straw was cool I blended 1.5 cakes in a blender and mixed it into the straw.

Keep in mind that this is my first attempt. My methods are far from perfect.

Joshua


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Edited by Joshua (01/03/02 03:12 PM)

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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Joshua]
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Well it all looks FINE from here. I find it intersting how nobody agrees on a standard for pasterizing straw. Some say NOT to use a PC... Some say that you have to SOAK for 24 hours etc..



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Edited by Jammer (01/03/02 08:24 PM)

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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Joshua]
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Excatly how can you tell the tempature? I?m guessing your useing a cooking thermonitor... But dont you have to take the lid off of it to check it? Is there anyway of safely guessing the temp without haveing to buy a cooking thermonitor? Like maybe a high setting? Also how much H20 are you useing when you cook it?

- BTW: Regarding your cammera- The battery eater- Get an alkaline recharger, there only like $10.00 @ Radio Shack. (Charges four AA?s)


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Edited by Jammer (01/03/02 08:26 PM)

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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Jammer]
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I modified this post. Originaly my blunder stated PCing, I in fact only pasteurized in an open pot.

I submerged the straw and used a cooking thermo. I bet you could find one at Goodwill for cheap.

Joshua


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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Joshua]
    #509248 -

UPDATE: 1/3/02









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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Joshua]
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I my God!

Please tell me that I?m NOT seeing a pin in that bottom pic! My eyes are not the best.... but that bottom pic makes me think that I?m seeing a pin....

No way.... it cant be already.

Am I seeing shit?


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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Joshua]
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Ok, so you weighted down a pillow case holding straw (that was rinsed for 5 minutes) and placed this in an OPEN pot (with a cooking thermonitor in it) and cooked at 170 degrees F for an hour...

Then you took 3/4 of one PF style pint jar (fully colinized) of B+ and grounded them up in the blender... you then mixed this with the cooled drained pasterized straw.....

How sterile were you when you were mixing the straw and PF cake spawn?

Also I would think that much water would evaporate with a hot boling pot of water... at anytime during the 1 hour of pasterization did you have to add water?

Thanks for your time man! There looking awesome. (so.. ah, naturally I had to ask you 20,000 questions!)

hehe


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Edited by Jammer (01/03/02 11:10 PM)

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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Jammer]
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No pins yet..I wish there were though.

You have my method correct. I used alcohol to wipe everything down with. I used my hands which were washed w/ antimicrobial soap to mix the mixture. I would advise anyone to take no chances when it comes to sterility. There was no need to add additional water. Not much steam is given off at 170 degrees, it?s 42 degrees lower than boiling.

Joshua


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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Joshua]
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so when are you going to give them light and start the pinning? it looks to be about that time...

looking great bro

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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Snobrdr311]
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I?m not sure of the correct timing for casing the straw. I am going to post a couple pics under cultivation. I would think that The substrate should be fully colonised. I figure my current tray is 75-85% colonised. I am also curious of the best depth for my substrate layer. I may just pack down the straw and add a second substrate layer of additional straw.

Joshua


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Edited by Joshua (01/04/02 01:50 AM)

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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Joshua]
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Before I cased my straw it was that colonized:




Read this link to learn about the depth of the substrate and casing layer.
http://annonymer.members.easyspace.com/CHAPTER_VIII_THE_CASING_LAYER.htm


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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Anno]
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Looks like I've still got a couple days left. It appears your brick was nice and sturdy, could you feel the additional biomass?

Joshua


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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Joshua]
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> It appears your brick was nice and sturdy
Yes.

>could you feel the additional biomass?
Additional? There is no additional biomass since the straw is converted to mycelium setting free CO2 and heat.


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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Anno]
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Anno do you have any further pics of that substrate after casing?

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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Snobrdr311]
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Indeed.





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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Anno]
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Cool.

If I may ask a dumb question? What exactly do use for the cassing? Anything special in that top layer?


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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Jammer]
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In the past
10 parts peat based potting soil
10 parts vermiculite
1 part ground limestone
1 part oyster shells
water

now
20 parts rehydrated coco coir
1 part ground limestone
1 part oyster shells
water

Pateurized.

I?m still not convinced what?s better though.
I tend to go back to the first recipe at the moment, or perhaps a mixture of the both.

The straw casing is with the later recipe.


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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Anno]
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Anno why is it that in all your pics of rye or birdseed you get massive even flushes with large fruits but with this picture there aren?t as many fruits? Does the size of these fruits make up for the lesser amount?


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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: SumGuy]
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More or less, yes.


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Update 1/4!!! [Re: Anno]
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Here they are!






Stay posted for additional pics.

Joshua


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Re: Update 1/4!!! [Re: Joshua]
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Very cool,

Thanks Josh and Anno for the great pictures and info.
I'm gonna be watching this thread closely.
:smile:


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Re: B+ hay tray via blender tek. [Re: Anno]
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it would be nice to see if you could keep that thing standing up like in the pic of it in your hand... If you could get both sides to fruit you could possibly double your yeald on that....


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Re: Update 1/4!!! [Re: Joshua]
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Man, this tek is the way to go!!

Who needs sterlized rye berrys? Based on these pics, this method is quicker!!

It kills me when the critics act as if straw is only a cassing material, or that it dosent have enough nutrients etc..

Hey, why not make a video like Rychie Hawk and Ralphster did? (*grin*) - Ok, perhaps thats over kill for a non-vendor. hehe.

Any udates comming soon??


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Re: Update 1/4!!! [Re: Joshua]
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Josh,

Anymore fast growth ?


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Brainiac said:
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Update 1/7!!! [Re: Joshua]
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These are my most recent pics from 11pm on 1/6. I am planning on casing tonight. Notice the excess humidity on the mycelium. It looks as if the surface of Anno's straw brick was matted by excess moisture being unable to be reabsorbed due to full colonisation. I am very hopeful of this procedure. This is my first try with this tek. I will keep posting updates. I go back to school tomorrow, I will be busier and may only be able to update every 2-3 days.

I will post MPEG movies if someone will tell me how.







Joshua


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Re: Update 1/4!!! [Re: Jammer]
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I will try rye berries soon. The berries provide more of a dense substrate than hay and may allow fruiting to proceed for longer periods of time. Don't let the mycelium fool you. It is truely the nutrients and the density of nutrients that give the mushies their quality. IMO, of course.

Joshua


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Case/Update 1/8!!! [Re: Joshua]
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I finally cased my hay tray. I used the following casing recipe ala Joshua:

10 parts verm
10 parts peat
2 parts crushed oyster shell
1 part gypsum








Joshua





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Re: Case/Update 1/8!!! [Re: Joshua]
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waaay too much peat moss, as it tends to be acitic, you need some lime in there to balance it out. But i guess it worked, didn?t it?


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Re: Case/Update 1/8!!! [Re: rommstein2001]
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I didn?t take the pH of this mix yet. I just got some indicator paper, I will post the pH soon. The crushed oyster shell is to moderate the pH. If you believe that the peat content of my mix is too high why is there such an acceptance of the 50/50 casing tek?

Joshua


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Re: Case/Update 1/8!!! [Re: Joshua]
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When using pure peat, you want 10% lime by mass to neutralize the acid and buffer the pH or keep it constantly at 7.0. Since the vermiculite is pH neutral, you don?t need to add lime to neutralize it. YOu should only add 1 part lime to your mixture, since you have ten parts peat moss(1/10=10%). Because oyster shells have a pH of about 8, you might be alright(cubensis=weeds), but it could be too basic...

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Re: Case/Update 1/8!!! [Re: Azure]
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The pH measured neutral (7). I will have pics of the first mycelium poking through my cased tray soon.

Joshua


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Re: Case/Update 1/8!!! [Re: Joshua]
    #516093 -

oooooh. that's nice.


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Re: Case/Update 1/10!!! [Re: Joshua]
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The mycelium started poking through earlier today. I estimate the casing layer to vary between 3/4 in to 1 in. Right after I took these pics I dropped my tray. The casing layer shifted to one side disturbing all mycelial growth. I redistributed the layer. Unfortunately it will delay mycelial infiltration of the casing layer for a couple days.




Stay posted for more pic updates.


Joshua


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Re: Case/Update 1/10!!! [Re: Joshua]
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You dropped what arggggggg..ach.......fuckkk

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Re: Case/Update 1/10!!! [Re: Joshua]
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I hate it when that shit happens.. Just yesterday I was carring some jars of rye and some cakes into the other room to case them, and the bottom of the damn tray that I was carrying them on just fell out.. Two jars of rye smashed and glass was all over my carpet.. It was a bitch to clean up.. I got my casings done though.. :-)

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Re: Case/Update 1/10!!! [Re: NeonBlack]
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This shot makes me a little nervous. . .



I?d guess you had the tray covered in saran wrap? For me, straw regularly fails using plastic wrap, the condensation is likely to blame. Seems to work better just putting the colonizing tray into a closed rubbermaid.

Anyway, I think there?s a chance your mycelium has a little friend in there. . .I wouldn?t bet one way or the other, it just looks a LITTLE fungi imperfecti-ish ;)

Great pics, very nice close ups. Can you tell us what kind of camera you?re using?

I hope it blooms perfectly.

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Re: Case/Update 1/10!!! [Re: Suntzu]
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What kind of problems did you have that are related to extra condensation? At first the straw reabsorbed any excess humidity. Once the straw became fully colonised I began to see moisture forming on the surface of the mycelium. I inspected the straw very closely and found no visual signs of contamination. Please post any other advise you have on straw growing. This is my first shot at the attempt.

These pics were taken with a Sony Cybershot DSC-P30. It is available at most camera stores for $300.00, plan on spending another $100 to get a charger and battery and memory stick. I am using AA batteries now and go through a pair in about 5-10 shots using the flash. The camera produces very high quality pics from 1.3 Mpixels. I have yet to print any shots but if they look as good as they do on my screen then they will look fine. For an extra $100 one could buy the DSC-P50 which has 2.1 Mpixels. The camera has very nice features I purchased mine through Ritz Camera

Joshua


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Re: Case/Update 1/10!!! [Re: Joshua]
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What is the ratio of spawn:straw?? My troll is very interested in this since he has never tried this tek.

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Re: Case/Update 1/10!!! [Re: Suntzu]
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Word has it that the transparent Tupperware like containers with the lids allow just enough air to breath in to not have that much condesation.


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Re: Case/Update 1/10!!! [Re: Joshua]
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I don?t use straw much anymore, but the times it has worked best I used a tray just like yours w/o wrap and put it into a larger rubbermaid. This seemed to really cut down on the condensation. . .I guess it?s going to be more of a problem as more of the substrate gets digested--producing CO2 and water as primary by-products.
The larger rubbermaid volume seems to let this dissipate sufficiently w/o drying things out too much. [as opposed to the wrap, which constrains it to a small volume, favoring droplet formation].

I?ll check out that camera model, that?s right in my price range :)

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Re: Case/Update 1/10!!! [Re: Suntzu]
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Oh, as far as the specific problems with condensation, I can only give my experiences---each and every time I had a tray of straw that had condensation on the surface, it contaminated with mold. General rule of thumb is that visible droplets are a little ocean of bacteria etc. especially on a bulk substrate like straw. Not necesssarily a deal-breaker, though, depends on if it changes the surface conditions sufficiently to give a contam [e.g. mold] enough of a foothold.

You?re probably fine, but you?ll know one way or another pretty soon, right?

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Re: Case/Update 1/10!!! [Re: Joshua]
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Say, on the subject of STRAW TEKS:

I was wondering what the readers of this thread would think about this little "brain-fart" that I posted at this URL address-

(copy/paste):

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum2&Number=517282&Forum=All_Forums&Words=&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=1day&Main=516393

I havent gotten many opinions about it yet, and in seeing that I have a friend that is seriously considering trying it, we would love some input. (it?s a simple idea, almost too simple)

Joshua: Thanks for this thread man! It?s looking quit awesome, I must say. We all have learned a lot by keeping up on your constant updates with pics. Thanks man.


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Re: Case/Update 1/10!!! [Re: Cubies]
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I?m not sure of my exact ratio. I would estimate 1 cubic foot of loose straw to a minimum of 1 pint BRF spawn. The more you use the faster your colonisation.

Joshua


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Edited by Joshua (01/12/02 06:05 PM)

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Re: Case/Update 1/10!!! [Re: Joshua]
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I am selling a brand new Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-P50 digital camera. Good camera, new, never used only thing is that some stuff that comes with the camera is in Japanese but manual and other neeeded info is in English. If interested e-mail me, thinking of selling it as low as $300. Great camera for taking mushroom pictures.

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Re: Case/Update 1/10!!! [Re: rezin]
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The P50 retails for $400 brand new. I would have bought one if I had the funds.

I will be posting updates later tonight. I again have mycelial growth coming through my casing layer.

Joshua


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Re: Case/Update 1/13!!! [Re: Joshua]
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Here are my most recent pics from 1/12 and 1/13. As you can see my mycelium is once again penetrating my casing layer. It's too bad I was set back by my little blunder a couple of days ago.

Enjoy!!!


1/12








1/13








Stay posted for more pics, w/i a day or two.


Joshua


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Re: Case/Update 1/13!!! [Re: Joshua]
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Damn josh your gonna have some monsters on that casing lookin mmmm..mmmm GOOD!

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Re: Case/Update 1/13!!! [Re: Joshua]
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These are from 1/14.




I was concerned with the slowness of growth on the right side of my tray. The substrate depth was lower and the casing layer was deeper. I felt it necessary to remove part of the casing layer so that I would get mycelial penetration on the right side of the tray. The following pic was taken after part of the layer was removed. I hope to show you all pics w/ better mycelial growth very soon.



Joshua


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Re: Case/Update 1/14!!! [Re: Joshua]
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I placed this tray into my fruiting chamber. All that I have in the chamber is a quart jar aquarium heater. I may add a bubbler later depending on humidity levels.


I need feedback from experienced straw straw substrate cultivators.

Here are some ?'s that I have.

1) Do I have enough surface growth to warrant initiating the fruiting cycle?

My thoughts are no. I have placed this tray in my chamber because the surface humidity on the casing looked too high. Keep in mind that I have it covered w/ plastic wrap. I don't figure it will hurt my casing as long as it doesn't dry out.

2) How should I initiate my pinning strategy and at what point?


Here are the pics:

Full shot


Left side


Right side


Close-up


Close-up



Thanks for all of the advise and help!

Joshua


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Re: Case/Update 1/14!!! [Re: Joshua]
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Damn that looks awesome its gonna make some huge mushies.

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Re: Case/Update 1/14!!! [Re: Joshua]
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1. Yes.
2. Basicaly provide a very high humidity and keep the casing moist. Fan from time to time or hook up a bubbler, maybe on a timer so it doesn?t provide too much(drier) air.

Then wait and the things will happen by themselves.
Hopefully ;).


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Re: Case/Update 1/14!!! [Re: Anno]
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Let the fruiting begin!!!

Joshua

I imagine that in unison we all say amen.


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Re: Case/Update 1/14!!! [Re: Anno]
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If you let the bubbler go through a tank,
it will probably be moist enough.

zilch

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Re: Case/Update 1/19!!! [Re: Joshua]
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I need help, my tray is not doing well. I will contrast a pic from 3 days ago to a pic from today.

1/15 aprox. 11:30 PM


1/18 aprox 11:30 PM


After taking the first pic, I placed the tray in my terrarium. I have been misting the tray to keep it moist. I am thinking that the misting is knocking the mycelium down. I am worried and want this project to succeed. PLEASE HELP ME!

Here are some close-up pics from today.




This next area has zero visible colonisation.


I currently have this tray in a styrofoam cooler. Nothing on the bottom. An open quart jar w/ bubbler and heater. Temp is at 83 deg. F, humidity is at %93. I mist 1-3 times per day. I think my mist may be mixed with water droplets which might be hurting the mycelium. I cased this 10 days ago. I expect my mycelial penetration should have been more extensive by now.

Thanks for your help,

Joshua



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Re: Case/Update 1/19!!! [Re: Joshua]
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The casing surface shouldn?t be colonized idealy. So the fact you don?t see any mycelium isn?t necessary a bad thing. The promordia can form under the surface of the casing layer.
Now as I said that the casing looks dry on the previous pictures, I have a feeling now that you?re misting it a bit too much.
The casing should ne MOIST, not WET.

I think you would greatly benefit from buying The Mushroom Cultivator, as it cover such problems in great detail.

Here?s where you can get the book cheaply:
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Re: Case/Update 1/19!!! [Re: Joshua]
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Anno is right buy TMC .. you?re doing an amazing job anyway man but with TMC you could do even better... it?s very helpful has many pictures, shows you what mycellium should look like coming through a casin with optimum moisture and has very good descriptions about casings that are too dry and too wet .. you wont regret spending the money on it at all


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Re: Case/Update 1/19!!! [Re: Anno]
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ive been following this thread closely and was inspired to follow the same procedure using my pan cyan cake on birdseed. its about 85-90% colonized now and im about ready to take it out, can you anybody tell me how they broke up the sttraw brick? blender? hands? anything specific? later.


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Re: Case/Update 1/19!!! [Re: jihead]
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I didn?t break up the straw. Once the straw was colonised I just cased it. Good luck, I look forward to seeing your results.

Joshua

I just realised you may be getting your uncolonised straw in bricks. If so it doesn?t really matter how you break it up. I cut my straw w/ scissors into 2-3 inch lengths.


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Re: Case/Update 1/19!!! [Re: Joshua]
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no no, you were right the first time, but do you think it would make a difference if i broke it up to put it in another casing tray? i dont think pan cyans are going to fit in the small container im colonizing the straw in.


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Re: Case/Update 1/19!!! [Re: jihead]
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I'm sorry, I can't follow you.


If your straw is colonising, why are you adding more pan cyans?


It doesn't matter what you do with your substrate before you case it. Keep in mind you need to allow recovery of a day or two after you break it apart before you case it. Just be careful in your transfer process not to induce contams.

Joshua

I have no idea why I am writing in italics when I used no markup?

I guess I'm tripping now!


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Re: Case/Update 1/19!!! [Re: Joshua]
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Pics of my recently performed tricheotomy.






Joshua


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Re: Case/Update 1/19!!! [Re: Joshua]
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damn wonder where that would come from did you nuke/sterilize/pasturize your casing soil or add a ph buffer?


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Re: Case/Update 1/19!!! [Re: SumGuy]
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It?s just one of those things when one uses a soil based casing. I opened the casing to contams every time I took a picture. I used oyster shell and gypsum to help w/ pH. I baked @ 300 for 1 hr and microed for 10 min.

Joshua


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Case/Update 1/23!!! [Re: Joshua]
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Here are recent hay tray pics. 1/23




Joshua


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Edited by Joshua (01/23/02 12:31 AM)

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Re: Case/Update 1/23!!! [Re: Joshua]
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Looks af if they will fruit soon, nice disection. Too bad u lost all that straw to the DAMN GREEN STUFF!!!!!!!!

Edited by Azurepower (01/23/02 12:38 AM)

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Re: Case/Update 1/23!!! [Re: Joshua]
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I layed my hay tray to rest today. Cause of death: acute trichodermy

These are the mistakes I made:

1) I did not initiated pinning aggresive enough.

2) I did not monitor and establish correct moisture content.

3) I did not have adequate air exchange.


Joshua


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Re: Case/Update 1/23!!! [Re: Joshua]
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aww shoot i was hoping to see some sick flush .. R.I.P


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Re: Case/Update 1/23!!! [Re: Joshua]
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Plays taps in honor of fallen casing

////////////////// R I P \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ 


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