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Anybody else on Zyprexa?
#5067129 - 12/15/05 12:53 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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just wondering if anybody else here takes Zyprexa, and how does it work for you?
ever since i started taking it about a year ago my depression is completely gone..
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Re: Anybody else on Zyprexa? [Re: GGreatOne234]
#5067226 - 12/15/05 01:29 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Serious side effects have been associated with Zyprexa use. Zyprexa litigation may involve a person or persons who have developed diabetes or related complications as a result of Zyprexa use. In a 2002 study conducted by Duke University, researchers found nearly three hundred cases of Zyprexa-emergent diabetes. Most of these people developed diabetes within the first six months of Zyprexa use with moderate weight gain, another side effect of Zyprexa.
Of these 289 cases of Zyprexa related diabetes, 100 patients also developed ketoacidosis, a serious complication of diabetes. Twenty two people also developed pancreatitis, a life threatening condition causing inflammation of the pancreas. In the Duke University study alone, twenty three people died as a result of Zyprexa related complications. Many clinical trial patients have been unable to complete Zyprexa studies because of serious complications associated with this drug.
so , you have been taking a drug for an entire year and done no study on it whatsoever? That is pretty careless. well, i hope that this post has been informative and maybe you will realize that the drug hasnt cured your depression just drugged you into being "comfortably numb".
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Re: Anybody else on Zyprexa? [Re: GGreatOne234]
#5067345 - 12/15/05 02:01 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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It made me feel a little zombie like and gained about 15 lbs which soon went away after I stopped taking the shit. Didn't help to much.
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Serious side effects have been associated with Zyprexa use. Zyprexa litigation may involve a person or persons who have developed diabetes or related complications as a result of Zyprexa use. In a 2002 study conducted by Duke University, researchers found nearly three hundred cases of Zyprexa-emergent diabetes. Most of these people developed diabetes within the first six months of Zyprexa use with moderate weight gain, another side effect of Zyprexa.
Of these 289 cases of Zyprexa related diabetes, 100 patients also developed ketoacidosis, a serious complication of diabetes. Twenty two people also developed pancreatitis, a life threatening condition causing inflammation of the pancreas. In the Duke University study alone, twenty three people died as a result of Zyprexa related complications. Many clinical trial patients have been unable to complete Zyprexa studies because of serious complications associated with this drug.
so , you have been taking a drug for an entire year and done no study on it whatsoever? That is pretty careless. well, i hope that this post has been informative and maybe you will realize that the drug hasnt cured your depression just drugged you into being "comfortably numb".
i understand your position on things - but i'd really like to see a little less close-mindedness about this type of shit. obviously the drugs DO work for some people. like myself. i do not feel like a zombie, nor do i feel comfortably numb. i'm just not inexplicably breaking down constantly anymore.
so please, have a little consideration before you shun off chemical help in EVERY case. that's just reckless.
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Re: Anybody else on Zyprexa? [Re: GGreatOne234]
#5068654 - 12/15/05 07:19 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I tried it for a bit, but it wasn't for depression. I didn't like it - it made me feel like crap, but I guess everyone's different.....
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Re: Anybody else on Zyprexa? [Re: Le_Canard]
#5069080 - 12/15/05 08:59 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Zyprexa (olanzapine) was initially classified as an atypical antipsychotic although its indications have been revised to include treatment of bipolar disorder.
The increase in diabetes is KNOWN and included on the label. The label revision was mandated by guess whom? That evil FDA. Damn them for mandating warnings and precautions.
So, the options would be:
1. Use no drugs, and be depressed and/or psychotic. 2. Use the drug and feel better?
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Re: Anybody else on Zyprexa? [Re: badchad]
#5070740 - 12/16/05 10:00 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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badchad said: Zyprexa (olanzapine) was initially classified as an atypical antipsychotic although its indications have been revised to include treatment of bipolar disorder.
The increase in diabetes is KNOWN and included on the label. The label revision was mandated by guess whom? That evil FDA. Damn them for mandating warnings and precautions.
So, the options would be:
1. Use no drugs, and be depressed and/or psychotic. 2. Use the drug and feel better?
im not trying to judge anyone, or anything, but isnt that what drugs are supposed to do? make you feel better for a certain period of time? both physically and mentally? can you really thumb your nose at the crack or heroin addict as you pop your really cool, hip, designer drugs that are legally prescribed by "doctors"? because the greater part of street drugs used today were at one time prescribed.
when you use drugs to mask your problems so you dont have to confront them, then what exactly separates you from a heroin addict?
oh yeah..... forgot.... anyone heard about Mercks most recent screw-up? this would be the third one in 6 months... right? and when people die, no one goes to jail, they just pay lots of money. But lets say you or I sold some random guy some xanax and he kills himself by mixing it with some other drug, chances are we could go to jail for manslaughter, even though the people that die from taking only one drug manufactured by Merck, as well as the recommended dose must have committed suicide or something.... right?
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Re: Anybody else on Zyprexa? [Re: lukeboots]
#5070803 - 12/16/05 10:14 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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i understand your position on things - but i'd really like to see a little less close-mindedness about this type of shit. obviously the drugs DO work for some people. like myself. i do not feel like a zombie, nor do i feel comfortably numb. i'm just not inexplicably breaking down constantly anymore.
so please, have a little consideration before you shun off chemical help in EVERY case. that's just reckless.
1) Im glad that my view is being known around here. 2) what is more close-minded? taking drugs for years without questions and research? or someone who is challenging the modern theory of mental illness which for the last few decades has become so ingrained into our culture? which one? 3)yes, drugs work. no doubt about that. please see above post of mine that deals with this very subject. 4) inexplicably.... thats a great word. I think it describes the user of the word rather than the subject said user was describing as inexplicable. When you tell me that your depression is inexplicable, it means that it is completely beyond your reasoning or knowledge as to how that came to be.... does it mean that there is no reason for it?
5) id be more than happy to discuss how you feel that you are genetically predisposed to enjoying life less than everyone else, and how your case of depression is INEXPLICABLY the genuine article.
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Re: Anybody else on Zyprexa? [Re: badchad]
#5071048 - 12/16/05 11:15 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm on Risperdal, which I find is much more efficacious and less hard on me.
psilocyberin: Trust me, being without meds would make me 10X worse. At least I can function better whilst on them......
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Re: Anybody else on Zyprexa? [Re: Le_Canard]
#5072143 - 12/16/05 03:58 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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ToiletDuk - plenty of heroin, cocaine and other drug addicts say the same thing. obviously they are taking the drugs to compensate for some problem and no one is denying that drugs do work to some degree. rather, what people like psilocyberin and i are asking is "are drugs the best way to deal with psychological problems?" as of yet, i remain very unconvinced of this claim. i am not forming this opinion out of close mindedness, it's based on personal experience with psychiatric medications, experiences with other forms of healing, observations of friends, relatives and other people who use psychiatric medications and scientific data.
id also like to add that while im not claiming this is relevant to this pariticular discussion, the rate of recovery from mental illness in the united states has gone down 50% since the introduction of psychiatric medications and in countries that cannot afford these medications, the rate of recovery is twice as high as in countries that use them. does it make sense that a patient living in a 3rd world country with very poor medical care has a better chance of recovering from schizophrenia than someone living in the united states? i personally feel that these issues deserve serious consideration and no matter what your stance is on psychiatric medications is, you cannot deny that they way they are being used today is wrong. ive talked to a number of people who were suffering from some psychological issue, went to see a doctor and were diagnosed and prescribed psychiatric medication within 10 minutes. it's ridiculous in my opinion.
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Re: Anybody else on Zyprexa? [Re: Deviate]
#5072204 - 12/16/05 04:11 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree.
Do you have any links to those claims though?
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Re: Anybody else on Zyprexa? [Re: barfightlard]
#5072232 - 12/16/05 04:16 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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they are from robert witaker's book mad in america.
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Re: Anybody else on Zyprexa? [Re: Deviate]
#5076123 - 12/17/05 06:48 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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No but certain drugs do give one breathing space so one can work out these problems. They're not the sum-all and be-all, and whilst there are doctors who are a little too free with the prescription pad, they do work, although not the exact same way in everyone.
As far as third world recovery rates, I'll take that with a grain of salt. One, they don't keep very accurate records in these countries for the most part, and two, mental illness may not be recognised as such in some cultures, or they may be strong taboos against them in some cultures.....
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Re: Anybody else on Zyprexa? [Re: Le_Canard]
#5076776 - 12/17/05 10:39 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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and that's exactly how i believe the drugs should be used toiletduck (if they are used at all), to give people who are really struggling a little relief so they can work on thier problems. however that is not how i see them being used or how they are generally looked upon by society. instead many people are of the attitude "im not enjoying my life, that must mean i have a chemical imbalance and need a drug to fix it". and many doctors are more than happy to oblidge them without even discussing other forms of treatment or attempting to uncover the source of their problems.
also, the drugs certainly do not work for everyone. many studies find they are only marginally more effective than placebo and generally only about 1/3 of people who take them experience an improvement. i took effexor xr for almost a year at varying dosages all the way up to the maximum dosage and never experienced any positive affects from it whatsoever.
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Re: Anybody else on Zyprexa? [Re: GGreatOne234]
#5076918 - 12/17/05 11:11 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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thats great that its working for you man. so youve found an antidepressant that works for your unique mind chemistry and have had no depression for an entire year now.. stick with it! duh! unless you want to go back to the way things were id suggest staying on it since its all good. ps, i hope you dont listen to the idiots that have a purely biased opinion about this stuff, like the one in here that posted like three times with the same shitty attitude.. but i wont name names peace, hope your life continues well and congrats on still abstaining from the drug that really fucked up your life before.
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Re: Anybody else on Zyprexa? [Re: Locus]
#5077253 - 12/18/05 02:01 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Locus said: thats great that its working for you man. so youve found an antidepressant that works for your unique mind chemistry and have had no depression for an entire year now.. stick with it! duh! unless you want to go back to the way things were id suggest staying on it since its all good. ps, i hope you dont listen to the idiots that have a purely biased opinion about this stuff, like the one in here that posted like three times with the same shitty attitude.. but i wont name names peace, hope your life continues well and congrats on still abstaining from the drug that really fucked up your life before.
UNIQUE MIND CHEMISTRY! thats great!
Websters dictionary defines unique as: 1) being the only one 2) being without a like or equal.
Well, im glad that those billions of research dollars done by pharmcorp X finally produced a drug that was perfectly designed for one UNIQUE person.
It would also be great for him to stay on that drug for the rest of his life! That way he wouldn't have to ever cure himself! great idea. Since it isnt in anyway his responsibility for his own happiness, and he is merely genetically predispositioned to enjoy life less than everyone else (or atleast the rapidly shrinking 79% of americans), that would be a superb idea!
PS- from the idiots with the purely biased opinion: what exactly was your post? an expert testimonial? Me nor deviate have ever told anyone to not listen to "those other guys bullshit", or dodged the point by saying "they just have shitty attitudes". I have always placed my arguments as an alternate point of view on this subject. How about you give some real input and discussion on this without pointing fingers? How about you attempt to start acknowledging my points instead of using ad hominems?
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Bump- because I am still making a point.
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how about you summarize your point then
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Re: Anybody else on Zyprexa? [Re: Jim]
#5081505 - 12/19/05 11:25 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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well, the current point being made is that not one person, while many have rabidly disagreed with me, has even attempted to refute or answer the questions and points that I have brought up- not just in this thread, but all the threads I have posted in, in this forum.
While plenty of people have flamed me, thrown ad hominems at me, or flat out ignored my post, none have attempted to refute my claims. One would think that if I was so terribly wrong, and tremendously ignorant on this subject, that someone, somewhere, could step up. That is my point....
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the crazy doctor that prescribed this to my brother called it a "tiger that eats depresion"
yeah he's a quack, but hes got the good drugs
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