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Throwing curveballs!
    #5066068 - 12/15/05 09:16 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

These stories come from the Oct. 2005 issue of the readers digest. According to the article 2,344 of the 7,574 three-strikers in the states?s penal system got their third strike for property offenses. ??Scott Benscoter struck out after stealing a pair of running shoes, and is serving 25 years to life! His prior offenses were for residential burglaries that, according to the public defenders office, did not involve violence.

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Gregory Taylor was trying to jimmy a screen door open to get into the kitchen of a church where he had previously been given food. But he had two prior offenses from more than a decade before: One for snatching a purse and the other for attempted robbery without a weapon. He?s also doing 25 years to life.

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There was nothing honorable about it, nothing particularly heinous, either, when Leandro Andrade, a 37 year-old Army veteran with three kids and a drug habit, walked into a Kmart store in Ontario, California, stuffed five videos into his waistband and tried to leave without paying. Security guards stopped him, but two weeks later, Andrade went to another Kmart and tried to steal four more videos. The police were called, and he was tried and convicted.

That was ten years ago, and Leandro Andrade is still behind bars. He figures to be there a lot longer. He came out of the courtroom with a sentence of 50 years to life!

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A Florida mom, Clyburn accompanied her boyfriend to a pawn-shop to sell his .22-caliber pistol. She provided her ID because her boyfriend didn?t bring his own, and the couple got thirty dollars for the gun. But Clyburn had a previous criminal record for minor drug charges, and when federal authorities ran a routine check of the pawnshop?s records, they produced a ?hit?- a felon in possession of a fire-arm. That?s automatically 15 years in federal prison, which is exactly what Clyburn got. ?I never even held the gun,? she noted in an interview from prison.

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These are just four out of 2,344 examples of how crazy this shit is. It?s hard to sleep at night knowing that there are people who could be spending the rest of their lives in a cage for things like stealing a pair of shoes from Nike or trying to get into a church kitchen for a cold bowl of soup.

Gotta do something.


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: sirreal]
    #5066087 - 12/15/05 09:27 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah it's nothing new that the US gov't is pretty messed up. Violent criminals get off all the time because of how their cards played out while other criminals get screwed because they play their hand wrong in court. That's why it's so scary awaiting trial because you never know what kind of judge and jury you're going to get. You think you might just get off with a slap on the wrist. Maybe some probabtion. Then you get slapped with several years in prison. Then I read about people that get busted for violent crimes like assault and battery all the time and just keep getting more and more probation. Messed up huh?  :confused: :thumbdown:


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: cookeman]
    #5066102 - 12/15/05 09:42 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

How can reasonable people allow this to happen? Is it that we really do not give a fuck about each other. Don't get me wrong, I am not into all that free love shit, it just doesn't make that much sense to me.But what about empathy? What about common sense? These laws are absurd!

The point you made about the inconsistencies in the judicial system is a big one. We have lost our great big, collective mind!


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: sirreal]
    #5069362 - 12/16/05 12:33 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Does this disturb anyone else? Does anyone agree with these laws? Anyone? Any emotion stirred by this news or am I just overreacting?


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: sirreal]
    #5070246 - 12/16/05 08:42 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Its sick. I cant understand how these sentneces can be justified.


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: sirreal]
    #5070274 - 12/16/05 08:59 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Don't do the crime.....


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5070279 - 12/16/05 09:03 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Don't do the crime.....


OF course that would be the best thing. But the fact that these people are stupid does not give us the right to be so cruel, does it? The punishment should fit the crime. If not, why not just execute them.


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: GazzBut]
    #5070362 - 12/16/05 09:58 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

> Its sick. I cant understand how these sentneces can be justified.

Although I agree with you, often such examples are distorted. There is always another side to the argument, and it is usually just as valid.

The real problem is that people have given up on rehabilitation and instead decided that punishment is the only way to deal with the problems. When we take away hope from prisoners, what do we expect? The entire judicial system needs a good swift kick in the ...


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: Seuss]
    #5070402 - 12/16/05 10:12 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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often such examples are distorted. There is always another side to the argument, and it is usually just as valid.

The real problem is that people have given up on rehabilitation and instead decided that punishment is the only way to deal with the problems. When we take away hope from prisoners, what do we expect? The entire judicial system needs a good swift kick in the ...




The crimes they were convicted of are pretty cut and dry. The facts are pretty straight. What kind of information could change the fact that these sentences are insane?


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: sirreal]
    #5071154 - 12/16/05 01:39 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Career criminals deserve career sentences. Those examples include a career burglar, a purse-snatching church robber, a drug addict klepto, and an armed felon. Why should they be let back out in the public to do more harm?


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: sirreal]
    #5071184 - 12/16/05 01:49 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

The problem that I have with mandatory sentencing is I think it gives to much power to the legislative branch of government where these powers were meant to be with the judicial branch.


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5074209 - 12/17/05 03:58 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Don't do the crime.....




Surely the punishment should fit the crime.


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: sirreal]
    #5075588 - 12/17/05 05:09 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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What about common sense? These laws are absurd!


From a humane point of view, they are. But from a cynical-economical point of view, not at all.

They combine several advantages. If you put as many poors away as you can, there are many economical benefits. One, it makes the unemployment statistics drop dramatically. More than 2 million is not a small number. Two, the whole prison-industrial complex mechanism. A large private prison industry started to evolve some years ago. If higher numbers of inmates boost private interests, that number is very unlikely to drop anytime soon, and you can count on politicians to see to it. Besides, an industry means employment, once more. The poor are simply cheap fuel for a perverted system based on bucks, once again.

The other option would be social security, education etc. resulting in less poverty and low imprisonment rates (ever looked at the figures in European countries?), but who is going to benefit from that? Society as a whole, not Wackenhut or some other corporation. As long as politicians will get bucks from the industry, the industry will get (public!) bucks from imprisoning the underclass. Once again, profits are privatized and costs are socialized. This negation of democracy has spread to about all areas of public life (think Defense!) and to many other countries. It's what makes the US and it's influence in the world so disgusting (there are good things about the US too).

But I don't see anything absurd here. Nor do those who benefit.


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: daimyo]
    #5075698 - 12/17/05 06:01 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Career criminals deserve career sentences. Those examples include a career burglar, a purse-snatching church robber, a drug addict klepto, and an armed felon. Why should they be let back out in the public to do more harm?




You know, it ain't that black and white. Many here are among are probably felons, few here among us are probably a real threat to society. I mean, 15 years for a gun she sold for her boyfriend. That shit does't make sense. They arrested her for getting rid of the thing she was culpable for.

A hungry man serving twenty five years to life for trying to steal some food from a chuch. What the fuck, atleast he had the decency to steal from a place that gains most of its stores and supllies from donations and not people who work for a living. they probably were going to give that food to some hungry poor guy anywayz. Guess he won't be hungry now, he won't be free either.

The drug addict klepto guy is surer than hell dumb as hell. Life sentnece though, wow. Maybe like a year or two would have been better suited to the crime.

I am not advocating a weakening of the stance we take on laws. I only wish to see a more responsible and little better thought out execution of our laws. This shit is just common sense. Fucking judges and law makers.


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: gregorio]
    #5075703 - 12/17/05 06:03 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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The problem that I have with mandatory sentencing is I think it gives to much power to the legislative branch of government where these powers were meant to be with the judicial branch.




thats is a damn good point. briliance i say.


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #5077091 - 12/18/05 02:15 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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The problem that I have with mandatory sentencing is I think it gives to much power to the legislative branch of government where these powers were meant to be with the judicial branch.




thats is a damn good point. briliance i say.



But the judical branch takes part in its own share of "legislating from the bench", so it all evens out in the end.


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: DieCommie]
    #5077115 - 12/18/05 02:26 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

goddamn thats no good either.

your observation is duly noted, but I wouldn't say it "evens" out. It more or less is just as fuct as the what the legislation is doing. I mean a minimum sentnece is a minimum sentence. its no negotiable if the defendent is found guilty.


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: DieCommie]
    #5078328 - 12/18/05 03:57 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I like nakers_junk_bag opinion of my post more better.

:cool:

I just think that individual judges shouldn't have their hands tied by mandatory sentencing guidelines that are imposed by legislatures.

That is why we have judges for in the first place after all, to impose sentences.


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: sirreal]
    #5078388 - 12/18/05 04:13 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Don't do the crime.....


OF course that would be the best thing. But the fact that these people are stupid does not give us the right to be so cruel, does it? The punishment should fit the crime. If not, why not just execute them.



Well, if the crime involves others, I have no problem with more executions. And no problem with "Three Strikes" as well.

If the "crime" involves only yourself, then it shouldn't be a crime.


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: GazzBut]
    #5078394 - 12/18/05 04:15 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Don't do the crime.....




Surely the punishment should fit the crime.


Seems to me, it does.


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5079163 - 12/18/05 08:11 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Usually if someone has three convictions he commited 1000 crimes and only got convicted for three of them.



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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #5081232 - 12/19/05 11:25 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I mean, 15 years for a gun she sold for her boyfriend. That shit does't make sense. They arrested her for getting rid of the thing she was culpable for.



I concede that this one is rather pathetic, but it's better to have stupidity locked away in prison than reproducing on the outside.

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A hungry man serving twenty five years to life for trying to steal some food from a chuch. What the fuck, atleast he had the decency to steal



There is no decency in stealing.

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from a place that gains most of its stores and supllies from donations and not people who work for a living.



Where do you think those donations came from? Working people.

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they probably were going to give that food to some hungry poor guy anywayz.



Exactly, so why rob the place? He could have waited until morning and asked for a can of beans, or ate out of a dumpster.

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Guess he won't be hungry now, he won't be free either.



He doesn't deserve to be free. He'd just rob more. Been doing it for over a decade, why would he stop any time soon?

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The drug addict klepto guy is surer than hell dumb as hell. Life sentnece though, wow. Maybe like a year or two would have been better suited to the crime.



When you have absolutely no regard for yourself or society you don't deserve freedom. And since his drug habit was more important than his three mistakes..err children, then he doubly deserves prison.


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: daimyo]
    #5081621 - 12/19/05 02:09 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Your points are valid.

I myself have spent sometime in jail, I know first nad the politics of law are always so clear.

You conceded to the first argument, that is enough in my mind to see that you understand. That is one example of the poor judgement on behalf of the jury, legislature and judge. One is enough. I would hate to think that a man that frequents these boards can honestly say that he would rathers se stupidy locked up than breeding on the outside. How many people if you were arrested with a bag a shrooms and sentenced to fifteen yrs for would say, well good, more stupid people behind bars, not breeding. Would you agree.

I mean I hate thieves with passion bordering the maniacal, dope fiends suck too. Still they punishments are harsh.


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #5081681 - 12/19/05 02:29 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I would hate to think that a man that frequents these boards can honestly say that he would rathers se stupidy locked up than breeding on the outside. How many people if you were arrested with a bag a shrooms and sentenced to fifteen yrs for would say, well good, more stupid people behind bars, not breeding. Would you agree.




Depends on their past criminal history. If they got 15 years just for having a personal amount of drugs, then I would be appalled. If it was their third strike and their first two were heinous, then fuck em.


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: daimyo]
    #5085147 - 12/20/05 10:38 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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When you have absolutely no regard for yourself or society you don't deserve freedom. 


 

I hardly think stealing a few times and having an addiction = No regard for society. :rolleyes:


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #5085163 - 12/20/05 10:42 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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  How many people if you were arrested with a bag a shrooms and sentenced to fifteen yrs for would say, well good, more stupid people behind bars, not breeding. Would you agree.

I mean I hate thieves with passion bordering the maniacal, dope fiends suck too. Still they punishments are harsh.




The first statement is a good one! :thumbup:

The second one seems a bit misguided. I hate thievery, but to hate the thief leads to irrational thoughts and feelings. Misunderstandings also.


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: Los_Pepes]
    #5085170 - 12/20/05 10:47 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Usually if someone has three convictions he commited 1000 crimes and only got convicted for three of them.







So everyone is a suspect then. 1000 divided by three is right around 333.That is 333 crimes per conviction. So, logicaly, A person with no convictions has committed somewhere between one and three hundred and thirty three crimes. :rolleyes:


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: Aldous]
    #5085183 - 12/20/05 10:54 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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What about common sense? These laws are absurd!


From a humane point of view, they are. But from a cynical-economical point of view, not at all.




I was speaking from a humane point of view.

If a system benefits fom this twisted sense of justice,as you suggest, Then that system is corrupt and evil, and it should be resisted.


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: daimyo]
    #5085205 - 12/20/05 11:00 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Career criminals deserve career sentences. Those examples include a career burglar, a purse-snatching church robber, a drug addict klepto, and an armed felon. Why should they be let back out in the public to do more harm?




Stealing a few times does not constitute full-time employment. Stop being so dramatic.


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: sirreal]
    #5085556 - 12/20/05 01:35 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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daimyo said:
When you have absolutely no regard for yourself or society you don't deserve freedom. 


 

I hardly think stealing a few times and having an addiction = No regard for society. :rolleyes:



So if some heroin junkie came into your store TWICE and stole merchandise you wouldn't mind?

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Usually if someone has three convictions he commited 1000 crimes and only got convicted for three of them.




So everyone is a suspect then. 1000 divided by three is right around 333.That is 333 crimes per conviction. So, logicaly, A person with no convictions has committed somewhere between one and three hundred and thirty three crimes. :rolleyes:



What is so hard to believe about that?  I doubt there is anyone over the age of 14 that hasn't commited a crime.


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Career criminals deserve career sentences.  Those examples include a career burglar, a purse-snatching church robber, a drug addict klepto, and an armed felon.  Why should they be let back out in the public to do more harm?




Stealing a few times does not constitute full-time employment. Stop being so dramatic.




Perhaps, but nobody knows how many times he stole.  Having convictions from 10+ years ago leads me to believe that the person never stopped stealing.  Just didn't get caught for a good stretch of time.

And what is with you and the :rolleyes: and calling me dramatic?  That horse must be higher than the Empire State Building.


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: daimyo]
    #5086486 - 12/20/05 06:19 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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So if some heroin junkie came into your store TWICE and stole merchandise you wouldn't mind?




Boy, you have some amazing powers of observation. That is not even close to what I said. Let me reiterate: I hardly think stealing a few times and having an addiction = no regard for society


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    #5086492 - 12/20/05 06:22 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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So everyone is a suspect then. 1000 divided by three is right around 333.That is 333 crimes per conviction. So, logicaly, A person with no convictions has committed somewhere between one and three hundred and thirty three crimes.




People with 1 conviction can commit up to 666 crimes, then youre really fucked.


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: daimyo]
    #5086496 - 12/20/05 06:23 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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What is so hard to believe about that?  I doubt there is anyone over the age of 14 that hasn't commited a crime.




Everyone has committed atleast 3 crimes, to be sure. Lock em up!

Seriously, you are NOT convicted until a trial. Would you propose convicting someone of a crime without a trial? :thumbdown:


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: Catalysis]
    #5086504 - 12/20/05 06:26 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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So everyone is a suspect then. 1000 divided by three is right around 333.That is 333 crimes per conviction. So, logicaly, A person with no convictions has committed somewhere between one and three hundred and thirty three crimes.




People with 1 conviction can commit up to 666 crimes, then youre really fucked.


 

Actually, I think the math would indicate 333. But really, what's the difference? We have all struck out.Off with their heads! :evil:


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: daimyo]
    #5086600 - 12/20/05 07:09 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Stealing a few times does not constitute full-time employment. Stop being so dramatic.
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daimyo saidPerhaps, but nobody knows how many times he stole.  Having convictions from 10+ years ago leads me to believe that the person never stopped stealing.  Just didn't get caught for a good stretch of time.

And what is with you and the :rolleyes: and calling me dramatic?  That horse must be higher than the Empire State Building.




If he wasn't convicted of, Or even arrested for a crime, he should not be punished for what he "probably" did. That is madness and totally unjust!

The rolling of the eyes is self-explanatory. I believe it is dramatic to suggest someone spend the rest of their life in prison for stated crimes.


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: sirreal]
    #5087482 - 12/20/05 11:38 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Would you propose convicting someone of a crime without a trial?



By definition a person cannot be convicted without a trial. Therefore, I would never propose something so nonsensical.

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If he wasn't convicted of, Or even arrested for a crime, he should not be punished for what he "probably" did. That is madness and totally unjust!



Nobody suggested a person should be. All of these cases involve people who were caught and convicted of multiple crimes.


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    #5087600 - 12/21/05 12:10 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Well then, How come you keep bringing up these supposed crimes?


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    #5087632 - 12/21/05 12:15 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I brought up possible crimes once. If you cannot follow the flow of discussion, then there is nothing further to be said.


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: sirreal]
    #5087635 - 12/21/05 12:16 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

You keep saying " he commited more crimes than that, so he deserves it" .

That is crazy!


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    #5087643 - 12/21/05 12:18 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I brought up possible crimes once. If you cannot follow the flow of discussion, then there is nothing further to be said.




Once? You need to reread your own posts.


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    #5087678 - 12/21/05 12:26 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Actually, I think the math would indicate 333.




No, because people with 1 conviction would have committed 333 crimes, therefore they could commit up to 666 crimes before the second conviction.


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: sirreal]
    #5087715 - 12/21/05 12:35 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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You keep saying " he commited more crimes than that, so he deserves it" .



Refer me to the post where you acquired that quote.

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I brought up possible crimes once.  If you cannot follow the flow of discussion, then there is nothing further to be said.




Once? You need to reread your own posts.




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Perhaps, but nobody knows how many times he stole.  Having convictions from 10+ years ago leads me to believe that the person never stopped stealing.  Just didn't get caught for a good stretch of time.




This is the only time I brought up possible crimes.

Also, you are allowed to respond with more than 2 sentences per post.  You can even address multiple posts with one response.  Little cleaner than post whoring :shrug:


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: Catalysis]
    #5091107 - 12/21/05 08:58 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Oops!

Sorry. You're right.

Wait, if you have one conviction it would be 1-333.

two then 333-666

three then 666-999

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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: daimyo]
    #5091124 - 12/21/05 09:02 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Also, you are allowed to respond with more than 2 sentences per post.  You can even address multiple posts with one response.  Little cleaner than post whoring :shrug:




First of all, I wasn't going to respond to your'e entire post. I changed my mind.

Secondly,I have been here longer than you and have nearly a third of the posts you do. I'm not the post whore.  :rolleyes:


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    #5091143 - 12/21/05 09:08 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry. I was drinking last night and kind of got your posts mixed up with someone elses. I usually pay more attention than that. :blush:

You did only say that once. Still, one time to many.


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: sirreal]
    #5091183 - 12/21/05 09:21 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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First of all, I wasn't going to respond to your'e entire post. I changed my mind.




I will not pretend to know your regular posting habits, but in this thread alone you have responded to yourself in succession about 5 times for a total of ~15 posts.

There is nothing wrong with changing your mind, but if you breathe between posts instead of attempting to be so dramatic you might be able to respond to each point in one reply.  This better facilitates the flow of discussion, and keeps the thread a reasonable size.

Also, I believe we have gotten off topic after running the course of this topic, so I humbly retire from this thread for now.  :cheers:


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Re: Throwing curveballs! [Re: daimyo]
    #5092983 - 12/22/05 10:06 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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First of all, I wasn't going to respond to your'e entire post. I changed my mind.




I will not pretend to know your regular posting habits, but in this thread alone you have responded to yourself in succession about 5 times for a total of ~15 posts.

There is nothing wrong with changing your mind, but if you breathe between posts instead of attempting to be so dramatic you might be able to respond to each point in one reply.  This better facilitates the flow of discussion, and keeps the thread a reasonable size.

Also, I believe we have gotten off topic after running the course of this topic, so I humbly retire from this thread for now.  :cheers:




I responded to myself twice. That was it. Are you the post police?

Let a mod reprimand me if I am doing something wrong. I don't think that I have violated any rules.

Also, my responses may be a little dramatic, but my thinking on this issue is not. Yours on the other hand.....Life in prison for stated(and supposed) crimes.


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