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Shrooms, Anxiety and Xanax.
    #4924288 - 11/11/05 10:25 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

ok, so, over the last several years i have developed an anxiety disorder. its not a tremendous problem, i'm not prescribed anything (although it would make certain things easier...) but i DO have panic attacks that range in severity. unfortunately, i know what happens when you have an uncontrollable anxiety attack while on a STRONG dose of hallucinogens. its a very terrible thing. i'm an experienced tripper but the older i get the more my anxiety keeps me from tripping (which is confusing when you have a grower's stash)

point being:

What is your experience with tripping and taking pharmys like Xanax, Valium, Ativan, etc... i ALREADY know the benefits of these grounding, mentally calming drugs while on LSD. but what about shrooms? i know i can be having a decently intense trip on shrooms and still get sleepy-eyed, so would xanax just knock you out or would it help here too?


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Re: Shrooms, Anxiety and Xanax. [Re: krill]
    #4924347 - 11/11/05 10:37 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I think it will cause your trip not to be as good.


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Re: Shrooms, Anxiety and Xanax. [Re: krill]
    #4925305 - 11/12/05 08:42 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I understand your pain.I have anxiety attacks while trippin too
hard trips do this.On a note of killing the anixety I eat 1-2  500mg vicodin before my trips gets me in the mellow mood.I never found it hurting the trip,but people body chemistry is different and may effect you differntly. some people can't handle all that in your stomach.
xanax is diffent it does put you in a happy mood so if you lookin for a good start to a trip there you go.valium this drug never works for me I take it nothin happens so I just avoid them althoghter.
well this is what works for me so enjoy :thumbup:


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Re: Shrooms, Anxiety and Xanax. [Re: superbob57]
    #4926761 - 11/12/05 07:23 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Anxiety drugs make you worse then you started from what I hear. Deal with anxiety or conteplate suicide when you stop taking the drugs... or get used to them.... that is why people kill themselves after taking some drugs......You might be next seriously.


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Re: Shrooms, Anxiety and Xanax. [Re: Fluxburn]
    #4927973 - 11/13/05 02:19 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

why not make the focus of your trip to reveal the underlying issues behind your anxiety? I certainly don't want to be a slave to pharmaceuticals and have found shrooms to be good for therapy. If you delve into these suppressed emotions and memories, make sure you have a good friend to sit you and ensure you don't harm yourself.

Anxiety is often the result of suppressed experiences that we associate with current activities, states or environments on a subconscious level. The subconscious mind will attempt to push these down, but the closer to the surface they rise the more intense your anxiety will become until you are capable of working through these issues. Xanax does not resolve anxiety although it can make the feeling worse over time as your subconscious mind and conscious mind are further disconnected and dissociated. Mushrooms can help you achieve the same affect without depdency.

Set aside a weekend for yourself to begin the ritual healing process. Begin by cleaning the area you reside in so that everything has a place, is orderly and clean. This will help eliminate distractions. When our physical environment is pleasant, our mental state will be enhanced. Take a hot bath, allow your muscles to relax and when you're done put on something you're comfortable wearing. Put on some soothing music while you brew some weak mushroom tea, just enough to give you a slight sensation. Talk with your sitter until you feel it comming on. At this point you can decide whether you'd like to take more. By dosing in stages you will help prevent anxiety or going into emotional and psychological shock. If you were to come up too fast, the mind/body could become alarmed, this state of distress is experienced as anxiety and can be manifested as a bad trip. Slowing the process down gives your being time to adjust and welcome the healing process. If you decide to delve deeper, take more. Have tools around that will assist in expression. Paper, pencils, pens, pastels, crayons, paints, potting soil and baby plants are all good things. These can assist you in focusing your mental energy to 'act out' physically what was once contained in your mind and muscles. Potting plants, doing yoga or even dancing are all good grounding activities that will reconnect your mind and body and assist you in feeling safe and at one with the world around you.

I wish you the best. Kick the Xanax.


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Re: Shrooms, Anxiety and Xanax. [Re: krill]
    #4927997 - 11/13/05 02:32 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Dood maybe your just gay? Lots of aniexty can build up from being a closet homosexual man.


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Re: Shrooms, Anxiety and Xanax. [Re: krill]
    #4928138 - 11/13/05 04:35 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I have problems with anxiety, and used to get panic attacks. Fortunately, I've been seeing a wonderful psychiatrist and I've made a lot of progress. I no longer get panic attacks (thank god), and my anxiety overall has been greatly diminished. Therapy is of course of paramount importance, but medications can be very effective tools in dealing with psychological disorders, if they're used properly.

We tried a number of different medications until we settled on the benzodiazepines (librium, ativan, klonopin, xanax, valium, etc...). They truly are the "magic bullet" for anxiety. They've just helped me so much. Are you seeing a psychiatrist, or is it possible to see someone if you're not? That could be very helpful in the long run.

The benzodiazepines have the same efficacy in reducing anxiety on LSD as on mushrooms, (or almost every other drug for that matter). Benzodiazepines act on the neurotransmitter known as GABA, whereas the hallucinogens such as LSD and mushrooms work on serotonin--so there's no interference since they each affect different systems.

Unfortunately, as you know, the main side effect of benzos is sleepiness (as well as muscular discoordination and short-term memory loss). I don't know what kind of access you have, but my list of the benzodiazepines from least to most powerful goes: librium, ativan, klonopin, xanax, and valium. If you're going to take them while you're tripping, really you want to take the least amount possible. This will reduce the likelihood of sleepiness, and will actually train you to better manage your anxiety.

Xanax is pretty powerful stuff. I'm on klonopin right now, which stays in your system much longer than xanax. If xanax is all you can get, you could always try taking a small amount with your shrooms to start off with, and just keep some handy if you need it. Always see if you can work through the anxiety first though, before you gobble up a pill. Also, choose your shroom dose carefully.

Different people react differently to different drugs.

Feel free to send me a message if you have any questions.
Hope this helps.


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Re: Shrooms, Anxiety and Xanax. [Re: Land_Crab]
    #4928557 - 11/13/05 10:58 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Have you been seeing a therapist/psychologist in conjunction with the psychiatric care you've been recieving, Land Crab?


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Re: Shrooms, Anxiety and Xanax. [Re: terrigena]
    #4931078 - 11/14/05 01:14 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Well, my psychiatrist is the one providing the care. He provides the therapy and the brain medicine.


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Re: Shrooms, Anxiety and Xanax. [Re: Fluxburn]
    #5055627 - 12/13/05 12:16 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

shit! yeah, i bet you're right man. hey... you wanna be gay with me?


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Re: Shrooms, Anxiety and Xanax. [Re: krill]
    #5055636 - 12/13/05 12:21 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

no, i dont see a psych or anything like that. honestly, the majority of the time i take xanax is while i'm at work so i can not be a total asshole to the douche bags i work with.

basically, i just havent been able to handle the same doses of psychedelics i used to be able to ever since i had a MAJOR panic attack/extended BAD trip on LSD when someone dosed me WAY more than they intended to. ever since then i've just been trying to regain a calmness during tripping.

i figured, hey, if i can take my girl's xanax while i'm at work and cool out... maybe it could help keep me from panicking during the onset of a strong trip. word.

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Re: Shrooms, Anxiety and Xanax. [Re: krill]
    #5055644 - 12/13/05 12:24 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

anyhow, i appreciate the input from everyone.

now i just cant get over this Romeo & Juliet gay-suicide-homo-erotic fantasy i've developed for Fluxburn...

dammit.


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Re: Shrooms, Anxiety and Xanax. [Re: Land_Crab]
    #5056628 - 12/13/05 10:29 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Land_Crab said:
I have problems with anxiety, and used to get panic attacks. Fortunately, I've been seeing a wonderful psychiatrist and I've made a lot of progress. I no longer get panic attacks (thank god), and my anxiety overall has been greatly diminished. Therapy is of course of paramount importance, but medications can be very effective tools in dealing with psychological disorders, if they're used properly.

We tried a number of different medications until we settled on the benzodiazepines (librium, ativan, klonopin, xanax, valium, etc...). They truly are the "magic bullet" for anxiety. They've just helped me so much. Are you seeing a psychiatrist, or is it possible to see someone if you're not? That could be very helpful in the long run.

The benzodiazepines have the same efficacy in reducing anxiety on LSD as on mushrooms, (or almost every other drug for that matter). Benzodiazepines act on the neurotransmitter known as GABA, whereas the hallucinogens such as LSD and mushrooms work on serotonin--so there's no interference since they each affect different systems.

Unfortunately, as you know, the main side effect of benzos is sleepiness (as well as muscular discoordination and short-term memory loss). I don't know what kind of access you have, but my list of the benzodiazepines from least to most powerful goes: librium, ativan, klonopin, xanax, and valium. If you're going to take them while you're tripping, really you want to take the least amount possible. This will reduce the likelihood of sleepiness, and will actually train you to better manage your anxiety.

Xanax is pretty powerful stuff. I'm on klonopin right now, which stays in your system much longer than xanax. If xanax is all you can get, you could always try taking a small amount with your shrooms to start off with, and just keep some handy if you need it. Always see if you can work through the anxiety first though, before you gobble up a pill. Also, choose your shroom dose carefully.

Different people react differently to different drugs.

Feel free to send me a message if you have any questions.
Hope this helps.




What dose for each benzo would u suggest. Im thinking about tryin one for my anxiousness during the come-up sometimes. so yeah what dose do u suggest? Also when should i take it before my mushroos trip. (Im making Tea.)


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Re: Shrooms, Anxiety and Xanax. [Re: krill]
    #5056898 - 12/13/05 11:35 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I completely understand what your going through, foolish mindedly this summer i made the worst decision i made in my life so far and took 2.5grams of caffeine over an hour beleiving it was harmless, i was extemely wrong, when i checked on erowid i saw teh fatal dose range saying between 1-4grams, (i think this information is wrong though) but this tipped me, i couldnt beleive how i had just made a decision which had cot me my life, and i ended up in hospital over night with extreme anxiety, a resting heart rate of 150 and an irreuglar heart beat, after the experience i developed anxiety over teh regularity of my heart as i was left with ectopic beats when the heart performs premature constractions causing it to miss beats.

i would constantly monitor my heart, and the anxiety built up ovr 3 months, to the point where i had panic disorder. My first panic attack i was unaware of, i simply beleived my heart had stopped, and an extreme mental pain, what felt like blacking out almost and going deaf with pins and needles all over my body and the worst stomach drop of my life made me think i was diing within the minute.

This was folowed by 2.5 weeks of panic disorder (an extreme version of anxiety) where i absolutely dreaded panic attacks and received 2 very minor ones, still bad though.

I then went to the doctors who told me the problems with my heart were no longer present, and the effects that remained were completely pschological- i thought how could i ever be anxious if there is no threat to me, if its all in my mind i might aswell take onboard any anxiety and almost try and enjoy the depersonalisation i always got, when i understood this, i went from panic disorder to normal within 2 weeks, i couldn't beleive it, i felt that it was too good to be true, to be back with reality i didn't quit beleive it.

I did want to take valium or xanex like you also do, but that really doesn't solve the problem, anxiety comes from pschological trouble, when you target it and accept whatever there is a problem, then let go when you understand there id nothing to be worried about that is the real meaning of conquering it,

the drugs will only make you dependant,

i still have some trouble with anxiety now, but only as its easier to bring on when its easy to get back into the feeling of threat, something my body will just naturally do,


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Re: Shrooms, Anxiety and Xanax. [Re: safe]
    #5057102 - 12/13/05 12:11 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Since nobody really answered the question of combining Benzos and psychedelics, I will relay some input. This combo has been found to be beneficiary is more cases then not but you must be very modest in the dose or you could start eliminating some of the psychedelic experience. I cant give dose advice but if you do decide to use xanax or valium, take a half or sometimes a little less of what you would typically take theropeutically***not recreationally*** and take it right when you dose or a little bit after. THe biggest benefit that benzos provide when combining with shrooms/lsd is the suppression of the negative effects the onset of a trip entails---- which is usually a clusterfuck of anxiety, nausea aprehension and excitement. And since benzos plateu for only an hour before the effects begin to slope leaves the better half of the trip impervious of benzos cancelling effects. (remember, benzos are administered in hospitals to those psychologically disturbed from psychdelics---they are also a good method to flat down bail out of a bad trip)

THe trick here is the dose


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