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InvisibleLiquidkick
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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: drtyfrnk]
    #5057482 - 12/13/05 01:17 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Like everyone said, with the HD. I wouldnt just burn it. I would open it up and make sure the platters are completly incinerated. Basically to ash. A partial platter is still recoverable.

Recommendation for others...

Have a handy spare HD with an OS and it being clean laying somewhere, so in the future if shit hits the fan, you are already for a swap real quick(hotswap bay). Or, just set up some type of VMWare partitions... I am not to sure about the VMWare stuff but you can basically encrypt the whole volume of the drive. Using VMware for an OS and encrypting the whole VMware OS partition/drive. Basically when using VMware its like a virtual machine on your computer. Make sure you use some strong encryption. They'll probably send it to NSA for them to break, but if you have very strong passwords like 40 characters and encryptoion over encryption.... it will take some time for them to break it....hopefully by that time statue of limitations is up.

Yes its a bit of a hassle.... And it all depends on how the LE wants to fry you. It costs mega bucks for them to do this stuff..... So maybe if you can make it cost so much for them to do this they might not even bother.

Also, if you don't use a proxy, they can just get IP logs from your ISP to see where you are going to.

Unless you are hijacking wireless...

I suggest you maybe invest into a laptop from now on. You can just quickly ditch the lappy and say you don't even have a computer.

Also, maybe contact the admins and have your account deleted and the database purged of your posts.

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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5058571 - 12/13/05 05:00 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

when all this is said and done, do be certain that they will be watching you (assuming you will get the better half of this), i would stay clear of much illegal shit for a while.

keep us posted on your situation, the best of luck to you man.
these posts always give me a great amount of knowledge about the law.


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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5058576 - 12/13/05 05:01 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Liquidkick said:
Also, maybe contact the admins and have your account deleted and the database purged of your posts.




Agreed. also as EVERYONE has stated here, get RID of that HD.
dont need know fuck up anywhere.


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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: ShroomArtist84]
    #5059279 - 12/13/05 07:38 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Don't bother getting rid of it.
Just overwrite it a SHITLOAD of times.
Like, from now till whenever they come back.
Data leaves traces, yes.
But not after 15 overwrites.
There are proggies out there that are trusted and proven to destroy data.

Find them, use them.

Anyone participating in illegal activity should have their shit encrypted as a matter of fact. Anything else is less than acceptable.

Good luck to the poster. Get a lawyer.
and NEVER cooperate.
EVER. That shit with the cabinet opening might be a problem, but the fact that you were intimidated into allowing entry could get anything else nullified.


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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: Randolph_Carter]
    #5059830 - 12/13/05 09:33 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, I mean, they had GUNS OUT when you realized they had come in unannounced. I'd be scared shitless. Maybe tell your lawyer you cooperated to an extent because they had GUNS OUT. You were scared that they would shoot you.

If they came in without a warrant with guns out, GOD ONLY KNOWS what other "laws" they might break. Tell your lawyer you feared for your life.

That would be my angle, anyway.

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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: MOTH]
    #5059919 - 12/13/05 09:58 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Dambbbbbbbbbbbb Grim :eek: I just read the bad news just want to say GL I hope everything works out for you.

I got caught with two mushrooms and a roach... thats what they booked me for ....spent a night in jail and that was it...I got a lawyer and he said when he went to the courthouse to get info on my case but when he got there they told him that they  threw it out so I never even had to go to court....


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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: RESTLESS]
    #5059932 - 12/13/05 10:01 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

RESTLESS said:
:lol:




Those are some beautiful breasts in your signature, Restless. Who's are they, and do you have any more pictures?  :crazy2:

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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5060199 - 12/13/05 10:51 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Liquidkick said:
Yes its a bit of a hassle....  And it all depends on how the LE wants to fry you.  It costs mega bucks for them to do this stuff.....  So maybe if you can make it cost so much for them to do this they might not even bother.

Also, maybe contact the admins and have your account deleted and the database purged of your posts.




i will get my post purged tomorow morning.

yes it will cost them alot to test all 30+ syringe i had. plus it will cost them alot to test shit they took that wasnt illegal, such as a dried passionfruit.
also if they charge me which they havent yet, i will ask for a jury trial, thats even more money they have to spend.

i also found out from a paralegal that they may have broken the law by looking into my mail.  the mail is federal territory, the sheriffs should have reported it to FEDERAL authorities such as FBI or DEA. plus even if it did "fall open" they dont have the right to inspect my mail. thats a fed crime. they also have to get a warrant to search ANY mail, they didnt have a warrant. i NEVER signed anything and here's what an ex-cop currently a paralegal in Missouri said to me.


that really only states like lets say
a robbery/burglury call, domestic call, etc.
they can not enter unless given atleast verbal permission
even if u did, they can not just search your residence unless again, verbal permission is given and you MUST sign a sworn statement saying you give the so and so pd or mo state police or so and so sheriffs dept, etc permission to search
or unless they have a warrant,so i mean,there was a federal offense and what they call a amendment rights breach.

i never signed a single paper :laugh:

and here's what a friend told me his dad who is an attorney in Virginia said.

I think their justification for entry is flawed at the start- your package came open at the post office, if, as you say, the items in the package were for whatever legal spore thing, there would be the syringe, maybe some pamphlets, spores even?. so the package in and of itself should not have been probable cause for anything other than someone calling you to tell you a package had been damaged en route.


and here's something i found about a case it invloves a CAR which the cops have MORE ability to search wihtout a warrant. this is a MO state case.

(1952) Where there was no evidence that defendants had committed crime, that officers had any suspicion that they had committed felony nor that officers had warrants for arrest of defendants, their arrest was illegal and subsequent search of defendant's automobile in which two guns were found was an unreasonable search and seizure prohibited by ? 15, Art. I of the constitution. State v. Cuezze (Mo.), 249 S.W.2d 373.

they were ARRESTED then searched which is usually legal, however they had no previous proof of a crime, same with me, they had a legal syringe in my mail, and had no reason to come into my house after they claim they "heard sounds". hearing a sound isnt a probale cause unless they hear someone flushing shit or using a garbage disposal etc.

they also found my syringes and pipe BEFORE they read me my rights, this was 40 minutes AFTER they handcuffed me and then took me back inside my apt.

so they cant use the syringes as evidence thus i had nothing in which to grow the mushrooms with as far as the court can consider in my case if i am to be charged.


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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #5060548 - 12/14/05 12:11 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

man i hope you get off clean and make some mad money off this shit. if you need prints lemme know and ill do wut i can for ya.


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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: smarties]
    #5061414 - 12/14/05 08:45 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

maybe we should get rid of the free syringe thread....what do you all think....I mean if it can happen to him It can happen to us....what do you all think....or maybe not get rid of it but just make sure that everyone knows the dangers of participating in the thread...


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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: mskip23]
    #5061657 - 12/14/05 09:41 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe we should all be more careful.

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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #5062374 - 12/14/05 12:51 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

they handcuffed me and asked me what was in the syringe in the package.

i said , mushroom spores. they asked were i had the "others". i showed them my spore collection.


after that they went searching thru my house. when they looked into the cabinet with the grow tub, they peekedin then told me to open the cabinet. so i did.

here's your problem. the police didn't have a reason to open your door and enter your home. however, this act alone did not provide them with any evidence. you showed them your spore collection. they may have well had been outside asking you where your collection was, and you inviting them inside to show them. at that point, you have invited them into your home. it's going to be hard to make a case that you objected to their presense in your home when not only did you not protest their presense and ask to speak with them outside, but you showed them something inside your home. you did invite them in. and then when they went looking around, seeing if they could find anything in plain view (which they're allowed to do), they asked you to open a cabinet, and you did!

you did nothing whatsoever to express nonconsent to the search, and you answered any question they asked and showed them anything they asked to see.

they didn't need a warrant because you consented. why do you think they asked you to show them stuff? because they had no right to uncover it themselves. you really fucked yourself by cooperating with the search. really. good luck.

this thread is a PERFECT example of What Not to Do When the Police Show Up.

plutonium didn't get you busted, you got yourself busted.


sorry if this all sound very blunt or mean, but it really irks me how some people don't take about half an hour to learn the important aspects of search law before they go doing this kind of stuff, and fuck themselves badly because they don't know how to deal with police when the time comes. this shit is illegal! there are police out there! they want to throw you in jail for it! PROTECT YOURSELF! the laws of this country provide us all with a very thick sheild against unwarranted searches by police, but only if we know the law. it takes only a few minutes to learn this stuff.

sorry, but i have no sympathy for people who create problems for themselves and make the job of the police easier by being willfully ignorant of how to deal with police if and when they show up. the information is all over the place. there is no excuse for not knowing it. best of luck to you. i hope that you make it out of this ok, and if there's a next time, you cover your ass properly.


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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: Psychonaught]
    #5065479 - 12/15/05 01:25 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Psychonaught said:
When you open the cabinet, Tell your lawyer you felt it was an order and that you didn't have the right to say no.

And back to the Syringe. this is called, "The fruit of the poisonous tree." in legal circles. That means any evidence the police are able to gather as a result of that is inadmissible. You are set dude. No worries, case closed.

As far as them coming back with a warrant. Don't worry either. A judge wouldn't issue one. They can't hit the warrant vending machine....they need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they will find contraband, then they need to have a specific "thing or things" that they are looking for....1.e narcotics, drugs etc.....then they need to convince the judge how they know they will find what they seek...i.e. a controlled buy or whatever. This is where the machine breaks down since your 4th amendment rights were violated. A judge wont issue a warrant.




thank you very much man, as a lawyer told me the same shit today.
here's the fact that might help me.
they HANDCUFFED me in the hall, not in my apartment, i believed i was under arrest, they never said i wasnt at this point.
they didnt ASK me to do anything, they kept telling me "show us this", "open that", "tell me what you use this for" etc. plus remember they came in with their guns out and pointed at me. funny thing is one of them wasnt aiming at my chest like most people would think, he was aiming dead at my face. that right their told me i had no choice but to obey them. if someone points a gun between yours eyes, would you start yelling at him about this or that, or try to walk away? i doubt it. they told me to put my hands up, and walk to them, what was i supposed to do? approach them in a normal manner and shut the door? yea, then get shot. from th time the cuffed me til about 30 mins into the ordeal NOONE HAD EVER SAID "YOU ARE NOT UNDER ARREST!" and they dont have to tell me i'm under arrest. any "reasonable person" would have believed that they were under arrest if a gun was pointed in your face and then handcuffed.

after i had incriminated myself a few times, they sat me down at the table, told me i wasnt under arrest and read me my rights.

legally , the defense only has to prove that "any reasonable person" would believe they were under arrest, being handcuffed is a reason to believe you are under arrest. then they walked me back into my house, remember they hadnt read me any rights yet.

i was also told by a lawyer about a SUPREME COURT ruling less than 2 years ago in my state. this case ruling stated that "if someone incriminates themselves BEFORE righst are read, then rights are read and the cops ask the SAME QUESTIONS AS BEFORE, that they cant use them in court because a "reasonable person" would think they have already incriminated themself and thus answer the questions again".

the cops did some things right and some things wrong. all i have to prove in court is they did ANYTHING wrong and all evidence is thrown out.

"the fruit of the poison tree" is a term based on "adam and eve" from what i understand.
they werent allowed to eat the apples etc and were banished from Paradise.

well...... the syringe was a LEGAL item and a LEGAL item is NO REASON to suspect anything, thus they had no "exigent circumstances" (reason to believe a crime had been or was being committed or that evidence was in imminent danger of being destroyed). if theirreasoning was "right" or "reasonable" then every spore vendor should be searched simply because spores dont come out of thin air, and if you sell spores then there's "beyond a reasonable doubt" that you may be growing mushrooms to get the spores. here's the CONSTITUTIONAL definition for this.

-Exigent Circumstances-
Officers conducting a "knock and talk" may end up finding themselves in a situation where exigent circumstances allow them to enter the house warrantlessly to prevent the destruction of evidence.76 For instance, police officers responding to a call about a suspected methamphetamine laboratory who are met at the door by an overpowering chemical smell, together with a man whose hands are stained with red phosphorous and who is carrying a hot plate, who tries to slam the door in their faces, may pursue the man into the house.77 Likewise, police officers approaching a house for a "knock and talk" who glimpse through a window a group of men sitting at a table admiring a mound of white powder, foil wrappers and a handgun, may immediately enter the house warrantlessly once the men spot the officers and begin fleeing from the room.78 In such situations, exigent circumstances make it proper for the police to enter the premises, conduct a limited protective sweep, secure the scene, and apply for a search warrant for a more extensive search.79 Similarly, when police are conducting a "knock and talk" for drugs at a back door open to the public, and notice a man carrying a package sneaking out the front door, they have reasonable suspicion to make a Terry stop of that man.80 It has also been held that under the public safety exception to the requirement for Miranda warnings, an officer who walks up to a house to conduct a "knock and talk" and smells an overwhelming odor of ammonia and finds himself standing in a puddle of unknown liquid may ask the occupant of the house whether a fire hazard exists upon the premises and exactly what substance the officer has all over his shoes.81 At least one jurisdiction holds, nevertheless, that exigent circumstances do not allow police to kick in the door of a person who denies them entry on a "knock and talk" merely because he closed a shade on the door and was heard running away from the door (presumably to flush his drugs down a toilet) since "a warrantless entry of a house by law enforcement authorities, even based upon probable cause, cannot be justified by exigent circumstances of their own making."82

OF THEIR OWN MAKING!!!! they cant make the decision on their own, thats why they have things called WARRANTS! now if they would have seen me stuffing mushrooms into the toilet or garbage disposal, OR seen mushrooms growing in a tub on my table by looking into a un-curtained window then they could have came in and arrested me OR searched etc. if they would have "smelt" mushrooms or pot when they approached my door they could have came in without a warrant. they said they "heard someone approach the door and peephole then heard someone "moving things and bumping etc". thats isnt PROBABLE CAUSE! beacuse the syringe they had from my mail was "fruit of a poison tree", meaning it wasnt an illegal item or any item in general that would cause someone to believe a crime had been committed or caused someone to believe that evidence was inside the apartment which might be in danger of being destroyed. plus the first example shows they must be called for a related reason to what they "hear,see, or smell". how would a syringe give them reason to believe ANYTHING was being destroyed? and if they KNEW what the syringe really was they should have showed it to a judge to get a warrant to search for "mushrooms and/or mushrooms growing".


here's another reason their entry was illegal due to "fruit of the poisonous tree".

Warrantless Search Law Deskbook
(1998)

THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT HAS OUTLINED THE EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES EXCEPTION AS FOLLOWS:

A warrantless intrusion into a home may be justified by:

(1) Hot pursuit of a fleeing felon; or

(2) Imminent destruction of evidence; or

(3) The need to prevent a suspect?s escape; or

(4) The risk of danger to the police or to other
persons inside or outside the dwelling.

READ THIS PART SLOWLY AND CLOSELY!!!!!!!!!!!
** In absence of Hot Pursuit, there must be probable
cause that one or more of the other factors were
present.

FRUIT FROM THE POISONOUS TREE isnt "probable cause"

thank you Psychonaught , i could have used this info earlier. however thanks for posting it in the forum.

and think about this people, why didnt they arrest me? they didnt make me sign an evidence paper OR sign the papers which would say that i consented to a search, they HAVE TO MAKE YOU SIGN THE PAPER IF YOU CONSENT TO A WARRANTLESS SEARCH IF THEY FIND ANYTHING ILLEGAL! i didnt even get a citation, or sign a statement or even get a court date. they said IF i was to be charged i'd get a court summons in the mail.

know think about it, they threatened a FELONY charge ........ they dont just let ya stay at home for felonies unless they dont have a LEGAL reason to arrest you, i believe after they came in and I said things which i shouldnt have (but ofcourse my rights hadnt been read to me, and i had reason to believe i was being DETAINED! thus the reason i allowed them to lead me back into my apartment) they just wanted to see what i "had been doing". so they can watch me like hawks and nail me next time i fuck up, cept next time they'll be smart enough to get a warrant.

so far they havent even as much as called me, or even tried to stop by for a "friendly chit chat about the other day", which is kinda funny. most the time cops always go back to "just talk" about the stuff they found or talk about the other day etc. i think they know they fucked up, and a prosecutor (one with ANY good sense) wouldnt risk their job over prosecuting something with all these circumstances against them.

anyways i'm over and out til next time.


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read this people, its from a legal document about Searches.

Unreasonable search and seizure prohibited--contents and basis of warrants.
Section 15. That the people shall be secure in their persons, papers, homes and effects, from unreasonable searches and seizures; and no warrant to search any place, or seize any person or thing, shall issue without describing the place to be searched, or the person or thing to be seized, as nearly as may be; nor without probable cause, supported by written oath or affirmation.

this is a case ruling.

(1952) Where there was no evidence that defendants had committed crime, that officers had any suspicion that they had committed felony nor that officers had warrants for arrest of defendants, their arrest was illegal and subsequent search of defendant's automobile in which two guns were found was an unreasonable search and seizure prohibited by ? 15, Art. I of the constitution. State v. Cuezze (Mo.), 249 S.W.2d 373.

and here's an interesting one, which shows HOW they can LEGALLY use the "exigent circumstances"

(1955) Where police watched house for half hour, saw persons enter a room therein and through tear in window shade saw defendant and others with policy book and other paraphernalia and when defendant and another were arrested policy result drawings were taken from him, search and seizure not violative of constitutional provisions as to search and seizure or as to self-incrimination. State v. Hardy (Mo.), 276 S.W.2d 90.

they have to "KNOW" something illegal happened, probable cause isnt enough to enter a HOME without a warrant, probable cause IS enough to get a search warrant however. if the syringe they found in my mail was "probable cause" they should have gotten a warrant. a police officer (piggies , i had to say it :laugh: ) has to prove that they had "beyond a reasonable doubt" that exigent circumstances were in place. they HAVE to hear someone flushing a toilet, or smell a drug, or SEE something illegal to use their "exigent cirumcstance reason" to enter my home.

plus the cops even made the remark , "Looks like you forgot to lock your door, hehe" yes they chuckled after they said it. During the search of my house, a cop out of my view (behind a wall) asked "what is this?" i didnt answer, he asked again, i still didnt answer, one of the other cops said "You better answer him before you piss him off". well this was AFTER they read me my rights. i believe this means that i HAD to answer yet i didnt, and the cop who was trying to ask me the question got very upset, and YELLED the question at me again (he moved from behind the wall to do this). i simply ignored him again which caused him to start to search for more stuff WITHOUT my permission. yes i opened my cabinet when they TOLD me to earlier in the event. however i never gave them permission or was asked for permission to open ANYTHING in my house.

wilshire , thanks for hoping the best for me.
however, your remarks are disrespectful because you dont know the story well. read what i type. AT THE TIME I BELIEVED i was under arrest. lets do a quick poll. if cops opened your door (for whatever reason they claim) and point a gun in your face, then take you outside your home and handcuff you, would you think you had to right to do what ever you please? wouldnt the first thought be "i'm being arrested?", the law STATES that "if the police do NOT tell you that you arent under arrest you have the right to believe you ARE under arrest, thus that you must cooperate with them". once they un-cuffed me i should have told them that they can fuck themselves and should come back with a warrant if they wanted to get inside my home. too bad that i was too shaken up to think of this at the time. they also MUST tell you that you can leave at any time, because you ARENT being detained. they never said i could leave at anytime, or that i could refuse their entry into my house.


well i'm out for sure this time until i get atleast few replies or til tomorow.


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Edited by Grimocin (12/15/05 01:57 AM)

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    #5070671 - 12/16/05 09:24 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: dr_gonz]
    #5071212 - 12/16/05 11:58 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

dr_gonz said:
wow - i love the shroomery, but I'm done trading. who needs all this hassle?




Yeah that's about where I am at now, because I was in the middle of a trade with Grim when all this came down...

I have subsequently torn down my entire set-up, and dumped everything, just because I know he has my addy, and I assume that they will get that, although I hope they don't...

I know that Grim would NEVER give them that unless he had no choice, yet I have to take that breach of security seriously because it only takes a phone call for HIS piggies to call MY piggies...

I now wish that I NEVER would have given anyone on this site my addy, and will never do it again!!! Lesson learned I guess...

But Grim, I feel for you man, I know you're a stand up guy, and I hope that you are able to pull yourself out of all of this...

I don't know the laws of your country but I know that in mine, all of this "evidence" would be inadmissible...

In my country, pulling a weapon on someone as a peace officer is illegal, unless you can prove that your life was in danger, and there are serious consequences if you do...

I will from this point on advise anyone from the shroomery to NOT trade or take part in contests...

Hope everything works out Grim, keep us posted...


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    #5071916 - 12/16/05 03:01 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: dr_gonz]
    #5072228 - 12/16/05 04:15 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Editing your posts would be a good idea. Especially the one that mentions which state you might reside in.

There are programs which 0000 out a hard drive. If they actually do this, and don't simply claim it, there is no data that can be recovered. However, I probably wouldn't take the chance. I'd back up whatever I need on to dvd-r, probably plug in a microwave in the back yard and throw that fucking hard drive in there.


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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5072602 - 12/16/05 05:35 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah for real, you peeps give out your real address? Come on now.... Yeah start encrypting stuff if you guys dont. Also Start working and have a big ass cash pile for legal troubles down the road. Lawyers love cash. Refill the fund as needed.

Oh btw, a little off topic, but just so you know. MULTIPLE PEOPLE IN A CAR can be used as PROBABLE CAUSE TO PULL YOUR ASS OVER!

Oh and i wasnt talking about them testing your syringe, i was talking about computer forsenics. And yeah data being wiped about 15 times is pretty good. But if NSA wants your shit, it aint good enough.

You don't want to be dealing with The federallies either, they are much tougher and will fuck you hardcore. No lube. Lots of cases are won on the fed level with fucking rats. Its crazy how the feds can get you with nothing except witnesses. No physical evidence needed.

What else is on my mind... yeah it will cost them a lot of money, but its all about time and money. Sit tight, have a lawyer on hand if you want and wait to see if they charge, it could take like 6 months -1 year for you to get charged.

Those fucks are methodical, and will take there merry time to make sure they have a solid case.

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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: Prajna]
    #5073480 - 12/16/05 09:47 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

trust me, Grim gave out no addresses, lets say I can be "invisible" at times, and i'll always have his back. these cops should be taken out back and put out of their misery, then dumped into a ditch face down. Cops are good people, but these fucks shouldnt even be called cops, they are the scum of the human race. they base their life on limiting and violating other people's rights. Cops ENFORCE the law , these people bent and broke the law and violated THE GODDAMN US CONSTITUTION!
anyways about the addresses, i was in possession of them until this morning, let me just say i've never seen someone piece dust and ashes back together.
i've never been to this site, however i've been a friend of Grim's for a few years now. let me say I've never seen him do anything bad against any other human being. in fact he is one of the most loving and caring/sharing people i have ever met. the day we met he gave me $10 because i was hungry and needed cigs and was broke until my next paycheck. he's given my girlfriend rides to and from work on many occasions when i wasnt available or able to, and has never even asked for gas money considering she works 40 miles away from where he lives, and she lives 10 miles away from him in the opposite direction. i'm sure anyone on here who has had a conversation with him knows he's an alright guy. wilshire suck my fucking ass! he was arrested illegally, he was detained! i saw this with my own eyes and even saw him for a split second (how do you think i got these addresses before the cops even left, its funny because they sent him outside to the dumpster at one point). he had to cooperate because thats the kind of person he is. he saw no reason to fight them because they had already violated him. in fact since he cooperated , the media will be more likely to side with him when this gets out to the public. i swear on my life it will, as i have contacted our state's congressmen, and a few people at www.leap.cc. in case you dont know, LEAP is Law Enforcement Against Prohibition and they are a group of cops/ex-cops, ex/govt agents. well i talked to a retired DEA Undercover narcotics agent and told Grim's story to him. he said not only was the entry illegal, the handcuffing WAS arresting him whether they said he was under arrest or not and that UN-CUFFING him was illegal because police are expected to take anyone who is arrest to the station, they cant cuff you just to frisk you then uncuff you when you decide to comply. thats fucking bullying in the least and its FORCED coercion in every meaning of the term. so lets count the charges against the cops here:

1. Illegal Entry without warrant OR exigent circumstances
2. Illegal Arrest
3. Illegal Search and Seizure because if you are illegally arrested then any consent you give cannot be used by them.
i know someone will argue this point. but if cops just enter your house when you arent home and search your home without a warrant and find drugs, then those drugs cant be used in a court case, because it was illegal entry.
same with his consent. he was under the intentional misleading of the cops that he was under arrest, not only that you people need to learn to use Google for crying out loud.

for those of you who are interested read this!
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922654.html

and read the Seibert case

fuck it i'll post it for the lazy people who wont link on the link.

Justices Invalidate Questioning Tactic (June 28, 2004): Court, 5?4, rejects police tactic of questioning suspects twice, first before advising them of their Miranda rights?with the intention of elicting a confession?and again after. The ruling in Missouri v. Seibert says the strategy intentionally avoids informing suspects of their right to remain silent before questioning undermines Miranda.

and as Grim has told you all, they didnt read him his rights so they cant use his self incriminating admissions in court, and ANYTHING he said or admitted to AFTER they read him his rights are also inadmissable in a court case. the Seibert ruling was a Missouri SUPREME yes, fucking SUPREME court ruling less than 2 years ago.

support Grim people!
i know he's helped alot of you out before, as i was with him many times when he mailed out items to people. i especially remember sitting next to him when he had the idea for the hot asian contest.

i only signed up and posted to give you guys a personal friend of Grim's opinion. me and him are VERY much alike, and because of this i will be his "proxy" during these hard times. fuck corrupt cops and may they burn in hell for eternity! if it would have been my apartment door they opened, they would have been shot on the spot.

thanks for your time

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Registered: 03/14/05
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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: BadReligion]
    #5073519 - 12/16/05 09:58 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Grim has my support.
Good karma to the both of you
and a life time of bad karma for the cops.

--waixingren


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