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InvisibleSrirachi
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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #5055140 - 12/12/05 10:10 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

More 1/2 assed legal advice from me:

1. The cops will say they have PC since you used a name that is not really yours as a send-to address and it 'accidentally' came open. Strange looking item sent to a psuedonym probably=PC.

2. That's why they said they heard you opening cabinets, they'll claim PC for believing you had something illegal from the syringe they found @ post office. Heard you opening cabinets will be the justification to enter w/o a warrant. They can enter w/o warrant if they have PC to believe you're actively destroying evidence right when they get there.

3. The Drug Cop is playing on your side. He'll say, "Yeah, nice job with building that grow chamber." If you say, "Thanks," he'll say you agreed that it was a grow chamber and that will give them intent to cultivate even though you might not have been cultivating right then.

Looks to me like it is actually a well-thought out plan from your local cops. They've done it before, don't assume they're hayseeds who fucked it all up. I've seen guys really burn for thinking "they blew it" when in fact the cops had a game plan from square one.

My advice is say nothing, don't even agree to go see the cops at their place without a lawyer (tomorrow or soon they'll call and ask you to come talk some more about what they found. "Trying to decide if maybe we can't just forget this whole thing, but we need to understand more first..." - if this happens they need more on you and hope that you will come w/o a lawyer if they make it sound non-threatening), and get the best damn lawyer you can afford.

Good luck with this man.

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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #5055294 - 12/12/05 10:41 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

If you didnt tell them that they cant come in without a warrent, that is just as good as telling them that they can come in. Cops are never allowed in my house. They come here allot, but we always have our fun little chats outside on the front porch. They always ask me if they can have a look around, ALWAYS SAY NO. They will play this game with you saying they are gonna charge you with 20x the stuff if they have to get a warrent, its all bull shit. Dont give into any of the tactics. And if they ask if the dog can take a whiff, of coarse thats a fuck no too.


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[quote]KristiMidocean said:
Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]

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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #5055374 - 12/12/05 10:58 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Move computer, they came back for mine, and anything for the hobby.Good to have invisible friends.

Atleast you don't have to worry about an informent.Thats another no fun thing.

As far as that package goes, how you to know what someone was sending you.

Sounds like you doing well so far. Hang in there.

Peace


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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #5055462 - 12/12/05 11:21 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

when you format your computer get a program that will TOTALY erase your HD!! even if you format your computer they can still recover all the data off your HD!! and sue the living piss out of the bastards!! fuck all the damn pigs!! sorry to hear about your situation, GL!!

l8r,
will


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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: willmafingerdo]
    #5055489 - 12/12/05 11:30 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I say take the whole damn hard drive out. hide it, give it away, what ever. like willmafingerdo said if you format or write 0's to the drive thay can still get that shit out. its better for it to be GONE.


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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: kingfish4200]
    #5055498 - 12/12/05 11:33 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

hahahaha...well, it looks like plutonium is going underground for abit.


...see ya around kids

Pluto :runaway:

about 30 minutes past since I wrote the comments above ^^^^^

now the extreme panic, paranoia, and fear has settled a little. (kinda feel like Mr.Bush moments after 9/11)
Once again..I apologize Grim.
Nothing meaningful is running through my head right now, it's 2 am and anything "grow" related has been liquidated from my apartment.


It's funny, because for the past two days I had a very very heavy feeling sitting on my chest. I knew something was wrong, or something was going to go wrong. I guess this is it.

I'm a complete wreck. After reading the first line of this thread, my heart skipped a beat. I knew what the title meant, but it did not register in my head. I've gone through about 3 days of stress in 10 minutes.

Again, I am deeply sorry for sending you that syringe in that stupid envelope. I have never had a problem with them coming loose before. Now I have realized that I have been putting people into the face of danger by sending them syringes in those kinds of envelopes.

My brain isn't working properly and my left eye lid is twitching like crazy so I better go to sleep.

Pluto

Edited by Plutonium (12/13/05 12:33 AM)

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InvisibleRESTLESS
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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: Tien]
    #5055587 - 12/13/05 12:01 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: Tien]
    #5055898 - 12/13/05 02:44 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Both of you zap your HD's, and head for the hills!


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InvisibleHangnail
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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: Dragonaut]
    #5056033 - 12/13/05 04:40 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

What can be learned from this?

1: do not let LE in the house without a warrant.
2: " " give permission to search your property with or without a warrant.
3: do not give LE a tour of your house.
4th and possibly most important: do not list the ways you are guilty on the internet.
5: deleting the cache will not save you. LE has computer forensic specialists who can see everything deleted. even in some cases where it has been written over.
6: keep it in PM


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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: Hangnail]
    #5056328 - 12/13/05 08:51 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I'll smash my HD to kingdome come before those ass heads ever get to touch it.

Pluto

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InvisibleIrradiated_Feces
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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: Tien]
    #5056431 - 12/13/05 09:33 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

You're in Canada, and you have done nothing illegal. If your grow supplies have vanished I don't think you have a damn thing to worry about. I certainly wouldn't destroy my computer over it.

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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: Tien]
    #5056448 - 12/13/05 09:37 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I too recommend taking your hard drive COMPLETELY OUT OF YOUR COMPUTER and a) destroying it or b) somehow smuggle it to one of your friends for safekeeping.

Good luck with that shit. Oh, and never comply with the cops if they don't have shit on you ^^


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Offlinekingfish4200
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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: Tien]
    #5056454 - 12/13/05 09:38 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

do not format or write 0's to the drive. GET RID OF THE DRIVE. GET RID OF THE DRIVE. GET RID OF THE DRIVE !! Oh yeah one more piece of advice GET RID OF THAT DRIVE !!!


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-- Ken Kesey

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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #5056458 - 12/13/05 09:39 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

jeeze. lock the door, don't answer questions, don't let them in!

get a lawyer.


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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: Tien]
    #5056465 - 12/13/05 09:40 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

"my coffee grinder (after they found the flour they asked what i used to "manufacture" the flour and i showed them the coffee grinder)"

"when they looked into the cabinet with the grow tub, they peekedin then told me to open the cabinet. so i did. maybe they can use that as saying i "gave" them the evidence."

Yeah, I'm no lawyer, but to me that is the line between consenting to their search and not consenting. When they asked you to open the cabinet it was because THEY COULDN'T legally! You opened it for them and gave them the evidence which they can use legally. That was the exact moment that you should've said "no that's private, not without a warrant."

I really wish you the best of luck! But if your lawyer can't get the illegal search to stick then I'm afraid you might be fucked.

We should all learn a lesson from this.

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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: dr0mni]
    #5056476 - 12/13/05 09:43 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, it sounds like you were very consenting in the search. showing them around, answering questions... that's gonna be a problem.

when i got busted, i raised hell about them searching my residence without a warrant. yeah, they got in my face about it. they give you the whole, "we can do this the easy way or the hard way." and "you're not making this any easier for yourself" routine, like cops are trained to when they don't have the legal right to search. they got REALLY pissed when i refused to open a locked container for them.

you HAVE to stand your ground. consenting to a search, participating in it, or even just failing to protest it, are gonna screw you when your day in court comes. the 4th amendment is your friend people. PROTEST EVERY SEARCH.


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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: wilshire]
    #5056639 - 12/13/05 10:32 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

When you open the cabinet, Tell your lawyer you felt it was an order and that you didn't have the right to say no.

And back to the Syringe. this is called, "The fruit of the poisonous tree." in legal circles. That means any evidence the police are able to gather as a result of that is inadmissible. You are set dude. No worries, case closed.

As far as them coming back with a warrant. Don't worry either. A judge wouldn't issue one. They can't hit the warrant vending machine....they need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they will find contraband, then they need to have a specific "thing or things" that they are looking for....1.e narcotics, drugs etc.....then they need to convince the judge how they know they will find what they seek...i.e. a controlled buy or whatever. This is where the machine breaks down since your 4th amendment rights were violated. A judge wont issue a warrant.


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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: Psychonaught]
    #5056748 - 12/13/05 11:01 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

like someone else pointed out, if the post office belived it was a terrorest related. The cops can invoke the patriot act. where things are way more relaxed and cops have miles of legal maneuvering


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-- Ken Kesey

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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: Psychonaught]
    #5056915 - 12/13/05 11:39 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I agree, take your HDD out and either burn it (literally) or give to to the invisible man now dude. Register a different username and start posting under that.


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Re: PLUTONIUM GOT ME BUSTED! [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #5057446 - 12/13/05 01:10 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

like everyone else has said, get a lawyer. most everything will be tossed in court due to the lack of a warrant. you might have some fines to pay, you might not - you might get off without any trouble. No warrant = evidence tossed out.

Get a lawyer!

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