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Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran.....
    #5045967 - 12/10/05 08:55 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

The Sunday Times - World



The Sunday Times December 11, 2005

Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran
Uzi Mahnaimi, Tel Aviv, and Sarah Baxter, Washington



ISRAEL?S armed forces have been ordered by Ariel Sharon, the prime minister, to be ready by the end of March for possible strikes on secret uranium enrichment sites in Iran, military sources have revealed.
The order came after Israeli intelligence warned the government that Iran was operating enrichment facilities, believed to be small and concealed in civilian locations.



Iran?s stand-off with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) over nuclear inspections and aggressive rhetoric from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, who said last week that Israel should be moved to Europe, are causing mounting concern.

The crisis is set to come to a head in early March, when Mohamed El-Baradei, the head of the IAEA, will present his next report on Iran. El-Baradei, who received the Nobel peace prize yesterday, warned that the world was ?losing patience? with Iran.

A senior White House source said the threat of a nuclear Iran was moving to the top of the international agenda and the issue now was: ?What next?? That question would have to be answered in the next few months, he said.

Defence sources in Israel believe the end of March to be the ?point of no return? after which Iran will have the technical expertise to enrich uranium in sufficient quantities to build a nuclear warhead in two to four years.

?Israel ? and not only Israel ? cannot accept a nuclear Iran,? Sharon warned recently. ?We have the ability to deal with this and we?re making all the necessary preparations to be ready for such a situation.?

The order to prepare for a possible attack went through the Israeli defence ministry to the chief of staff. Sources inside special forces command confirmed that ?G? readiness ? the highest stage ? for an operation was announced last week.

Gholamreza Aghazadeah, head of the Atomic Organisation of Iran, warned yesterday that his country would produce nuclear fuel. ?There is no doubt that we have to carry out uranium enrichment,? he said.

He promised it would not be done during forthcoming talks with European negotiators. But although Iran insists it wants only nuclear energy, Israeli intelligence has concluded it is deceiving the world and has no intention of giving up what it believes is its right to develop nuclear weapons.

A ?massive? Israeli intelligence operation has been underway since Iran was designated the ?top priority for 2005?, according to security sources.

Cross-border operations and signal intelligence from a base established by the Israelis in northern Iraq are said to have identified a number of Iranian uranium enrichment sites unknown to the the IAEA.

Since Israel destroyed the Osirak nuclear reactor in Iraq in 1981, ?it has been understood that the lesson is, don?t have one site, have 50 sites?, a White House source said.

If a military operation is approved, Israel will use air and ground forces against several nuclear targets in the hope of stalling Tehran?s nuclear programme for years, according to Israeli military sources.

It is believed Israel would call on its top special forces brigade, Unit 262 ? the equivalent of the SAS ? and the F-15I strategic 69 Squadron, which can strike Iran and return to Israel without refuelling.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1920074,00.html


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Re: Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran..... [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5045996 - 12/10/05 09:03 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

It's probobly good that Israel does it, because it will have to be done and everybody already hates Israel anyways.


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Re: Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran..... [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #5046022 - 12/10/05 09:11 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

"ISRAEL?S armed forces have been ordered by Ariel Sharon, the prime minister, to be ready by the end of March for possible strikes"

do you think they will???? or are they just bluffing?


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Re: Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran..... [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5046027 - 12/10/05 09:12 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Do you think they will carry this out this time? It doesn't look like Iran will stop their program. Last time they did it there was a different atmosphere in the Middle East and I am not sure if the recent changes would make Israel more or less likely to strike.

More likely in my opinion, since they are no longer the only occupier in the region. If they do, it definetely won't solve all their problems. More will come up following this for better or worse.


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Re: Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran..... [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #5046089 - 12/10/05 09:29 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

i don't know. Russia is suppling Iran with weapons...the U.S. would have to assist Israel.

Russia/Iran Vs Israel/America


this shit is just getting crazy...


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Re: Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran..... [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5046141 - 12/10/05 09:45 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't doubt it. Next to Saudi Arabia, Israel is the biggest terrorist state in the region. I wonder how the world would have felt if Libya or Syria bombed Israel's uranium sites in the 60s? But unlike when Israel bombed Iraq's supposed nuclear weapons plant, it is a dangerous time for them to be playing "cowboy" and bombing other countries.

If this happens, I'd imagine Iran would undoubtedly strike back. I really couldn't careless if those two went to war, what is more concerning is what other countries would be sucked into it.

Edited by bukkake (12/10/05 09:52 PM)

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Re: Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran..... [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5046494 - 12/11/05 12:08 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

lonestar2004 said:
i don't know. Russia is suppling Iran with weapons...the U.S. would have to assist Israel.

Russia/Iran Vs Israel/America


this shit is just getting crazy...




Actually it's Russia, China and Iran vs.Isreal/America

But, yeah it's crazy shit...


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Re: Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran..... [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5046584 - 12/11/05 12:41 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Someone has got to do it. If not, why are we even threatening, pleading, and begging Iran from the E.U to the U.N?

Diplomacy without the threat of violence is empty, and as we have seen the only country that isn't full of cowardice and emptiness is the U.S and Israel.

Iran cannot be allowed to seek and obtain nuclear weapons.

Period.

They can continue blowing a smokescreen, and it will fool Eurocrap and other lesser nations, but it won't fool us.


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Re: Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran..... [Re: looner2]
    #5046603 - 12/11/05 12:48 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Don't worry about Russia. I am Russian, our military forces are shit except the spetznaz. It won't be just Israel and America either. If you think most of Western Europe, Australia, SK, Japan won't join, dream the fuck on.


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Re: Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran..... [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5047225 - 12/11/05 07:47 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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i don't know. Russia is suppling Iran with weapons...the U.S. would have to assist Israel.

Russia/Iran Vs Israel/America


this shit is just getting crazy...




It's just like when Hulk Hogan and Andre The Giant teamed up against King Kong Bundy and Big John Studd in the mid 80's.








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Re: Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran..... [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5047922 - 12/11/05 11:57 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I don't see why Iran can't just have nukes.

We should try to talk Israel out of this. Allowing them to play renegade cop of the Middle East does not help build the stability we hope to foster there.

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Re: Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran..... [Re: Redstorm]
    #5048559 - 12/11/05 02:53 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah lets kicksome ass!! Why don't we go after North Korea too and cause one of those things.. What are they called again?? Oh yeah world wars.. It's been too long and I think the world could really use one right now.. They accomplish so much.. It'll be great for the north american economy since you can sell all those guns and bombs you have just sitting around.. Might as well start using them on someone.. I've got an idea why don't you just pick some random country and nuke them.. C'mon it'll be hilarious..

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Re: Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran..... [Re: Redstorm]
    #5048581 - 12/11/05 02:57 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't see why Iran can't just have nukes.




Because its irresponsible.

They are a radical islamic state.

They threatened our closest ally and us.

They've lied about their intentions for nuclear weapons.


Oh, and... why do you think they want nuclear weapons? Just for shits?


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Re: Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran..... [Re: looner2]
    #5048613 - 12/11/05 03:04 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

Redstorm said:
I don't see why Iran can't just have nukes.




Because its irresponsible.

They are a radical islamic state.

They threatened our closest ally and us.

They've lied about their intentions for nuclear weapons.


Oh, and... why do you think they want nuclear weapons? Just for shits?




Absurd on so many levels.

-It is irresponsible for anyone to have nukes, so perhaps we should lead the way with disarming since we are the world's greatest country.

-When did they threaten us? Where do you draw the line at threaten? According to our good President, somehow Iraq threatened us as well. We don't need to babysit Israel, they have proven they can take care of themselves.

It is foolish to think that they would actually use atomic weapons. The role of the state is to ensure that it continues to exist. A great way to ensure that you won't exist would be to use atomic weapons on someone.

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Re: Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran..... [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5048658 - 12/11/05 03:14 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I hope they don't invade Iran, not only because it would mean the senseless destruction of hundreds of thousands of lives, but also because, when I travelled to Iran, it seemed a fairly nice place to live, compared to how it's portrayed internationally. It's definitely improving.

Of course, they still do some unspeakably bad things - torture and execution and so forth, but it's on the road to improvement.

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Re: Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran..... [Re: OJK]
    #5048693 - 12/11/05 03:24 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Most Iranians tell me the opposate..They say poverty is getting worse, in the inner city they have a huge drug, and prostitution problem.. Human rights are actualy getting worse also..

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    #5048729 - 12/11/05 03:34 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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I hope they don't invade Iran, not only because it would mean the senseless destruction of hundreds of thousands of lives,




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Re: Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran..... [Re: looner2]
    #5048746 - 12/11/05 03:44 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Oh, and... why do you think they want nuclear weapons? Just for shits?



Oh I don't know, perhaps as a deterrent to American invasion? You may have noticed we tend to be quite a bit less beligerent to countries that we feel may have nukes. See diplomacy with North Korea vs diplomacy with Iraq.

Of course, accepting this would, on a broader level, mean accepting that our current foreign policy actually encourages our enemies to develop such weapons, and thus that our current foreign policy isn't perfection, and god forbid.


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Re: Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran..... [Re: Redstorm]
    #5048767 - 12/11/05 03:53 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Redstorm said:
-It is irresponsible for anyone to have nukes, so perhaps we should lead the way with disarming since we are the world's greatest country.




Would it have been irresponsible for us to disarm during the cold-war? No, you know exactly what MAD is and its purpose. We have nuclear weapons now because we can have them. Who is going to stop us?


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-When did they threaten us? Where do you draw the line at threaten? According to our good President, somehow Iraq threatened us as well. We don't need to babysit Israel, they have proven they can take care of themselves.




They've threatned us with that look in Ahmadinejad eyes. I know that look!

Plus, Israel is a solid and committed ally to us. In wake of our rift with Europe, we don't have many allies left. A powerful militant one located in the middle east is very convenient.


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Re: Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran..... [Re: looner2]
    #5048784 - 12/11/05 03:56 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I do know what MAD is (as does Iran), and that is exactly why Iran wants them.

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