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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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InvisibleSilversoul
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Redemption
    #5040785 - 12/09/05 06:13 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

The Tookie Williams case has already been discussed here in terms of the death penalty and whether or not it is justified. But here I'd like to discuss another aspect of this case, namely the idea of redemption. Can a person redeem themselves for such heinous crimes as this man has committed? If so, how is redemption achieved? Is it enough to be sorry for what one has done, and vow not to do it again? Can it be done in the way that Tookie Williams has done, by working to prevent others from repeating his mistakes? What is redemption?


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Re: Redemption [Re: Silversoul]
    #5040867 - 12/09/05 06:33 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace.


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Re: Redemption [Re: Silversoul]
    #5040894 - 12/09/05 06:45 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Go to confession?


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Total abstinence is so excellent a thing that it cannot be carried to too great an extent. In my passion for it I even carry it so far as to totally abstain from total abstinence itself.
  -Mark Twain

"The time has come the walrus said, little oysters  hide their heads, my Twain of thought is loosely bound I guess its time to Mark this down, Be good and you will be lonesome
Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
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Re: Redemption [Re: Silversoul]
    #5041071 - 12/09/05 07:27 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Redemption is the ability to forgive yourself and the ability to forgive others for things they have committed against you.

I don't believe there is any kind of trade one can make to tip the "scale" toward redemption, only an attitude of redemtion and forgiveness.

IMO


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Re: Redemption [Re: Silversoul]
    #5041088 - 12/09/05 07:35 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I believe that no matter how extreme the example, one can find redemption on a personal level.

Redemption as in an honest clearing of the conscience that is not manifest simply for the sake of appearing to be redeemed from the outside.

What it really comes down to is an act of self-forgiveness, which will only be applied if the individual feels true and deep remorse.

Because the self is the only real judge, it is an inevitability that redemption can occur no matter what limitations are enforced through physical reality.

This has little or nothing to do with whether or not an individual's IMAGE is redeemed in society's view.

It also has little or nothing to do with whether or not the individual will still be punished for his crimes by that society.

(my 2 cents)

As for whether or not such redemptions can be carried out through certain means (ie, working to prevent further crimes of the same type) is completely up to how harshly one has chosen to judge themselves.

The harder one self-judges, the harder it will be to redeem one's worth.


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Re: Redemption [Re: Silversoul]
    #5041744 - 12/09/05 10:36 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Only the self can grant one redemption. No one else can do this for you. You must forgive yourself in order to take control and responsibility for your self. Only then is redemption valid. Anyone can find redemption, BUT their intent must be strong.


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