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Offlinec0wb0yfr0mh3ll
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Psilocybe cubensis "PR" mycobags, fruited in bags.
    #503599 - 12/28/01 10:37 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

- 12/20 - 1 Puerto Rican syringe and 4 Myco Environment Bags were ordered from Sporeworks.com



- 12/26 - Recieved the syringe.





- 12/28 - Recieved the Myco Bags.





--- On each bag a small insertion area was wiped with an alcohol soaked cotton ball.

--- Each bag was inoculated with around 2.5 cc?s of spore solution after the syringe needle was wiped with the cotton ball.

--- All needle holes where covered with scotch tape.

--- Bags were gently shaken to mix the spore solution throughout the media.

--- Bags were placed back in the shipping box and put in a dark/warm place.







Updates will follow.


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Re: Puerto - Myco Bags [Re: c0wb0yfr0mh3ll]
    #503777 - 12/29/01 02:03 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Good start, I cannot wait to follow this grow log, until the end...good luck.

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Re: Puerto - Myco Bags [Re: SThomas]
    #506925 - 01/01/02 08:42 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

are you going to update us, or is there nothing to update?


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Re: Puerto - Myco Bags [Re: hairs]
    #511064 - 01/05/02 04:10 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

- 1/5 -
Of course I will update, you must be patient! All bags show good signs of growth and no contams. 2 are doing better than the other 2 but all look great. I need to raise the temperature some and I?m sure they will do even better. Sorry for the lack of quality in the pictures.





It looks a lot better than it looks in the pictures. I?m very happy with them so far.


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Re: Puerto - Myco Bags [Re: c0wb0yfr0mh3ll]
    #515531 - 01/09/02 05:42 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Here are some myco-bags I did on dec. 21. Just follow the link. I do not know if it will be helpful, but I appreciate any feedback I can get on the pics. Just PM me. I am very excited about these bags so far.


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Re: Puerto - Myco Bags [Re: c0wb0yfr0mh3ll]
    #515532 - 01/09/02 05:43 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Here are some myco-bags I did on dec. 21. Just follow the link. I do not know if it will be helpful, but I appreciate any feedback I can get on the pics. Just PM me. I am very excited about these bags so far. here is the link.

http://www.gimptroll.com/~hydrapod/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=3c3cbc21504fffff;act=ST;f=13;t=13


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Re: Puerto - Myco Bags [Re: roaghor]
    #519700 - 01/13/02 07:56 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Nice looking bags there roaghor.

Here are mine on 1/13






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Re: Puerto - Myco Bags [Re: c0wb0yfr0mh3ll]
    #519883 - 01/13/02 11:51 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I like that blacklight poster!!!!


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Re: Puerto - Myco Bags [Re: c0wb0yfr0mh3ll]
    #519914 - 01/14/02 12:44 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

c0wb0yfr0mh3ll, those bags look pretty good, but it doesn?t look like you are mixing them at all. Try breaking up the colonized mycelium and gently shake it around to mix with the stuff on the bottom. Just take care not to rupture the bag or dislodge your tape. I think you will be suprised at how quickly they will finish up.


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Re: Puerto - Myco Bags [Re: Workman]
    #520158 - 01/14/02 08:27 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I will do that. Thanks Workman.


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Re: Puerto - Myco Bags [Re: c0wb0yfr0mh3ll]
    #520452 - 01/14/02 02:44 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

They are looking really good. I am starting to see some pins on the cakes I have in my pod, I did those a few days before I did the bags. So I plan on seeing some results off my bags also. I am also going to try this tek so I can make some room in my pod for the ones that are pinning, I have 7- 1 pint cakes in it and I do not think there will be enough room. Any way good luck my camera crapped out on me but you have some great pics. on here. Here is that tek for premade and colonized cakes in home made poor man terrariums.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum2&Number=500068&Forum=All_Forums&Words=pod&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=500068


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Re: Puerto - Myco Bags [Re: roaghor]
    #525454 - 01/19/02 12:12 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Bags are fully colonized on 1-19.

I?m going to start giving them light now.







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Re: Puerto - Myco Bags [Re: c0wb0yfr0mh3ll]
    #525629 - 01/19/02 03:43 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

fan those bags everyday and they should get enough light to last them a lifetime............


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Re: Puerto - Myco Bags [Re: BrownPastures]
    #525701 - 01/19/02 06:19 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

You don?t fan the bags man. They are sealed.


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Re: Puerto - Myco Bags [Re: Workman]
    #525891 - 01/19/02 11:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Puerto - Myco Bags [Re: ralphster44]
    #526258 - 01/20/02 04:23 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Actually Ralphster the bags are the way to go. Those bags have been being used in the professional mycology world for many years for gourmet mushroom species. Even Stamets has changed over to them. In fact most of his kits he has been sending out as posted on Stamets website, for many years use filter patch bags.

Have you ever ordered one of his kits....???
Most of them come with colonized substrate in filter patch bags.....
They are a micro envrironment all by themself. Some of his kits...such as Oyster mushrooms... he sends an extra bag out and suggest putting it over the colonized bag and misting inside of it to create more humidity....hang it over the sink...its ready to fruit right out of the bag........(bags for dummy tek :) That is pretty much the same concept of the SporeWorks micronenvironment bags.


The big crossover is many of us in the psilocybe school of thought growers have been using jars for so long were all adapt to that. Many books have been written on using jars.......the PF TEK was written on jars..we all followed the jar teks....filter patch bags were not readily available untiil recently.

Most of the books and teks out there on psilocybes are geared for jars, bottom line. Personally I think its time for change.


www.thehawkseye.com have not used jars in over a year in most cases.
We got turned on to these bags some 18 months ago and through trial and error found some very good manufactures of filter patch bags in many sizes and straight up....THEY ARE THE BOMB !!!
We found some companies did not produce a bag that with stood the sterilization processes well at all. Some leaked...:(

Any of you that have been around for a long time...I?ve had the inspiration of filter patch bags for many many years.
I?ve had these pics posted on my website for 3+ years....




MY idea ....fueled by Stamets kits...and a few contam outbreaks......was to surround the substrate with these bags
yet if you will notice....jars still inside.

That is old school thought and it worked for many years. I was trained to think psilos need jars to produce good spawn, as are many of you do.

Ok...I?ve learnd a lot in the past 2 years.... and I think its time to post it and share all I have learned. Jars have been out for a very long time with us...as you can see from the DB kits. There are much easier ways to produce good subtrate and save a lot of money and time.

Of course these filter patch bags are not going to replace jars anytime soon, but they are a much better alternative in my opinion.

As you can see Sporeworks is using them as a mini micro environment, it works. Its basically the same as when mushrooms fruit in the jars, except in a bag now . Same concept www.fungi.com Stamets has been using for years.
This is a bold statement but true, any small enough container using colonized substrate really does not need a casing soil or humidity source. It creates enough humidity from the substrate, and if you have a rough enough surface its going to produce some fruits.
I certainly dont think Sporeworks is trying to direct anyone towards any record flushes with those min micro environment bags, just another simple way of getting some mushrooms for little effort on the end user

Where we have found these filter patch bags to be so effective is for producing spawn for the casing. No more jars !!
These bags are so much easier to work with and much cheaper then canning jars

You can buy them in many sizes with variations of the filter for gas exhanges as well.
Filters can provide gas exchange, but exclude water vapor, so your spawn does not dehydrate.

You can use about any substrate with them, even wood chips if you buy the thicker plastic bags.

So how do you use them ?? Simple.
Prepare your substrate as you normally would. Scoop it into the bags. Seal it, then autoclave it. Store them like you would jars of substrate. When fully colonized, just cut it open and poor out your substrate into your casing container or mix with your bulk substrate.

I would imagine you could use them with a pot of boiling water for steam as you do jars. They can certainly with stand the heat of a pressure canner. For a pot of water to steam them you would just need keep them off the bottom so water does not splash up an into the filter, but even that would not hurt much as not much water is going to get in unless you immerse it in water.

You do need a sealer for sealing the opening. But you dont have to have one of these expensive models like you see in professional mushrooom farms. Simple little $15 Eurosealers work fine for home grower hobbiest. As you can see there are 2 different ones posted in the pics above.
You can find these sealers many places on line, just do search for euro sealer or food sealer. Here are a few.

RE-SEALER $13
Euro-Sealer$18 same website

1800seen on TV This site has a bunch of different sealer models for about $7 to $10.

There was a new version of the EuroSealer I seen on an infocommercial, EuroSealer 2. It was larger and looked like a better unit. I ordered it but it neve came, that was some 3 to 4 months ago. I cant seem to find it online anywhere either. If anyone runs across it please post a link.

So back to the bags, using them instead of jars. We prefer the smaller upright bags, 5 x 4 x 18, or 4 x 3 x 14 for spawn.
They work great in place of jars. And the substrate colonizes faster then in jars. How many times have you all tried to use a jar of spawn larger then a 1/2 pint and it seemed like it took forever to colonize? Or it stalled on the way?
And why is it 1/2 pint regular jars, non wide mouth jars colonize so slow ?? I?ve always considered that one a huge mystery

With these bags you can easily use a pint or even a quart of substrate and they will colonize much faster then in jars and they wont stall. You can shake them around a little to help stimulate growth faster, and since they hold in moisture so well the substrate usually does not dry out like as in pint or quart jars.

Ok..this is taking longer then I thought and I have things to do. I?ll put an FAQ togther on this subject later this week.
And this subject really belongs in the cultivation forum.

But for now..here are a few pro?s and cons of filter patch bags vs canning jars for mushroom subtrate.
Filter Patch Bags Pros:
They are much easier to work with then jars.
Mushroom mycelium colonizes faster in the bags then jars.
Mushrooms can fruit within the bags easier then jars if you want to use such a lazy tek :)
They are cheap, can be bought as low as $0.17 to $0.25 cents each. + S&H. Jars cost around $0.58 to $1.00 each
and are very expensive to ship as they are much much heavier.
They provide better gas exchange and help keep in water vapor better then canning jars.
The subtrate cools down faster in a bag then in a glass jar.
You dont have to punch a bunch of holes in a metal lid.
You dont have to worry about rusty metal lids or cutting yourself on the jagged metal from the holes.
You dont need to buy filter discs anymore, the bags come with a filter patch built in.
You dont need the dry vermiculite layer on top of the substrate.
They are much much lighter then glass jars.

Cons:
They are not meant to be reusable.
You wont have that nice symetrical round shape with your substrate as from cakes.
They wont stack as easily as jars. Especially if your using boiling water to steam the subtratee for sterilization.
You do need a sealer to make them work (or use a hot knife or lighther, sloppy though.)

I?ll think of some things later.
One thing to note, you can take the bags right out of your pressure cooker and put them in a bowl or dish or whatever to create the shape you want your substrate to grow in. This would be handy for devices such as the HydraPod where the cake formation is important. But in fact, this may work better as you create a larger round formation with a bigger cropping surface. instead of 5 or 6 small cakes, how about 1 big substrate cake?? Same thing with your terraniums.

I?ll work on this subject some more later in the week. I need to post this over in the cultivation forum anyway.

Oh..so where do you get them. Well, I noticed several on line vendors have them such as Mycelium Fruits and Fungi Perfecti carries the large bags. You pay a higher price but your paying for the service as well so that should be expected.

If you want to buy them in bulk at a cheaper price get them from www.Unicornbags.com

They are 25 cents each, unless you buy about a 1,000 of them at a time, then he gives a discount down to like 17 cents each. But you can always buy 100 of them at a time and pay just 25 cents each + S&H.
A warning when you order from this company, they are asian and only the guy speaks good english He is real nice though and easy to work with. Be sure and specify you want the "B" style type bags for autoclaving. He also likes to file things under a company name, just give him your name for a company name if you dont have one.
I?ll start carrying these smaller bags on my website here in a couple of weeks for a cheap price for at least a couple of months so my customers can have easy access to them as well.

Ok..thats all for now. I?ll be back later in the week with more detailed info and put together some FAQ for beginners on using these filter patch bags :)


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Re: Puerto - Myco Bags [Re: Ryche Hawk]
    #526265 - 01/20/02 04:33 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Whoa!


(the gloves are off)

Stay tuned for further adventures here.

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Re: Puerto - Myco Bags [Re: ralphster44]
    #526407 - 01/20/02 10:07 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Ralphster you seem like a nice guy but let me put it in easy to understand newbie thinking for you. Alot of us newbies want to try shrooms and we want the easiest way of growing them. Its really that simple. The bags are fun and cheap and easy to get started with.


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Re: Puerto - Myco Bags [Re: SouthernGent]
    #526416 - 01/20/02 10:22 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Ralphster,

being on a college campus and having had to order all my supplies online, due to seasonal supplies, the jar and case method proved far too expensive and cumbersome. I didn?t have enough room in my dorm for the cakes or casings, they required a lot of maintenace time that I didn?t have.

The myco-environment bags are a good investment, you receive a large amount of mushrooms in terms of cost. And they take no time or effort. Perfect for me.

I have 4 bags that are AUSSIE strain, and 4 bags that are B+. The aussies after 10 days are 50% colonized, while the B+ isn?t colonizing at all. Just little specks of mycelium here and there.

Is there any way to speed up the colonizing of the B+ bags?

What are good strains to use?

Can I get a good deal on buying the myco-environment bags in bulk?

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Re: Puerto - Myco Bags [Re: ralphster44]
    #526420 - 01/20/02 10:29 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

The Hydrapod is nothing but a ripoff. Plain and simple. I am anything but a newbie, I wanted to test out the bags to see how they worked out. So far they have colonized faster, with less work, and more substrate than any jar I have seen. You could easily use the finished product to case or spawn with but I want to see how they work just leaving them in the bag like suggested.

Ralphster - Why do you have to come in my thread and ruin it with your sales speech? This is called the mushroom pictures forum and not the VENDOR forum! Go try to sell your pod to someone else.

"Why pay for something you dont need?" == Hydrapod

"Try the FSR for some 1 dollar prints...dont get sucked into this bag shit.."
How about I pay a little more and get a quality product, not some cheap noname print.

You little hyprocrite, go somewhere else with your crap. Bags are here to stay, like it or not.


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