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Need advice from those more experienced than myself
    #5035164 - 12/08/05 05:30 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Alrighty, fairly plain and simple... I'm looking into building a new computer and I honestly don't know right off the bat which to go with for chipset: AMD or Intel. I'm fairly into gaming, play a lotta World of Warcraft, and also do lotsa video editing and 3d stuff with 3d Studio Max. What chipset would you recommend and why? And beyond that any other parts to go with that chipset. Your advice is greatly appreciated.


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Re: Need advice from those more experienced than myself [Re: Mylz]
    #5035244 - 12/08/05 05:46 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

well, both are fairly comparable, and although i prefer AMD personally, I have to admit that the new P4 with hyperthreading work especially well in many 3d software packages, after effects, premiere, anything that supports dual processors in windows supports hyperthreading. And as far as I know, AMD has not stepped up to the plate in that department when put against the intel chipsets.

other than that, just make sure you have at least 2 gigs of ram. really.


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Re: Need advice from those more experienced than myself [Re: kotik]
    #5035285 - 12/08/05 05:55 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

i would go with AMD athalon 64 right now...and if you can afford the motherboard...get the nforce4 ultra...the fastest chipset for a reasonable price. AMD has 3Dnow embedded right on the processor making better for gaming. To my knowledge, pentium doesnt have it on its chip...or anything similar. Also, the AMD athalon 64 has a huge increase in power now that the front side bus is practically built into the chip, making it as fast as the processor itself...this is awesome...all in all, i think you will be much happier with an amd..jus dont overclock the sucker. A lot of people do not like amd, not sure why...only thing i can think of is that amd is not advertised quite like intel is to the average person. This makes people think its a second rate chip. When you think about it...they have surpassed intel since the were the first to come out with a 64 bit chip, and first and only to make a mobile 64 bit chip. we can prob expect to see some great things come from amd in the future!


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Re: Need advice from those more experienced than myself [Re: unseenat17]
    #5035445 - 12/08/05 06:24 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

i thought the amd's were superior for overclocking....


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Re: Need advice from those more experienced than myself [Re: Jim]
    #5035575 - 12/08/05 06:47 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Gah, I'm most definately not technically challenged, but I need a little bit of explaining as far as some of this stuff goes? Overlocking? Hyperthreading?  :frown:


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Re: Need advice from those more experienced than myself [Re: Mylz]
    #5035826 - 12/08/05 07:47 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Overclocking means running your CPU, motherboard, and/or Graphics card at a higher number of clock cycles that it's rated for. In layman's terms that means running it faster. This will cause more heat to be generated and is generally considered to shorten the life of your CPU. Keeping in mind that the current crop of CPUs will be obsolete in just a few years, this really doesn't matter to a lot of people.

Hyperthreading is a built in process in Intel CPUs that will allow programs built to utilize it to treat the CPU as two CPUs. What this means is that instead of waiting for an instruction to finish on the CPU before another is executed, the CPU presents itself to the system as 2 CPUs and can handle two processes simultaneously. Keep in mind that this doesn't mean diddly squat if your operating system or software is not designed to take advantage of it. XP pro will recognize hyperthreading capabilities, but I'm not sure if XP home will. Either way, that still leaves your application to ask for the services of multiple CPUs.


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Re: Need advice from those more experienced than myself [Re: Solutarch]
    #5037842 - 12/09/05 04:45 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

p.s. 64 bit technology is still cutting edge, and only about 5% of the software out there supports 64 bit functions.

I wouldnt suggest buying 64 bit until the market has caught up.


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Re: Need advice from those more experienced than myself [Re: kotik]
    #5037850 - 12/09/05 04:49 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

> I have to admit that the new P4 with hyperthreading work especially well in many

In the server world, most admins are starting to disble hyperthreading on their servers. The problem is the cores in the chip all share the same chip level cache. When hyperthreading kicks in, the two cores compete for the same cache space, causing a huge amount of cache corruption thus causing the chip to run much slower than if hyperthreading is turned off.

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39237341,00.htm


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Re: Need advice from those more experienced than myself [Re: kotik]
    #5037905 - 12/09/05 05:40 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Why not, they are fairly cheap and you will be future proof....


Why don't you tell us how much money you want to spend. 

AMD all the way, though :wink:


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Re: Need advice from those more experienced than myself [Re: barfightlard]
    #5038109 - 12/09/05 07:57 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

ya, well we are not talking about servers, we are talking about video editing and production. and as far as those two go, it is preferred. if you were running servers, you would get an actual dual processor, like a beefed up xeon or something anyways instead of hyperthreading.

and there is no such thing as future proof. in fact, buying into technology before the market has caught up is almost always a poor decision. by the time 64 bit is embraced by a majority of software suites, not only will the prices have come down, but the technology will be improved upon. just like buying an xbox360 the day it comes out, just to find out it has technical flaws, because it was rushed onto the market as latest and greatest.


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Re: Need advice from those more experienced than myself [Re: kotik]
    #5038983 - 12/09/05 11:11 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I'd say buying 2gb of ram is future proofing, and ram prices never really drop much. Even so the price of a amd 64 3000+ is so cheap now theres no reason to buy anything less, that processor itself will be good for years, and it's a great overclocker.

$150 CDN for the latest and greatest, not the absolute fastest, but still very fast and loaded with potential is a steal.

The 64 bit processors still out perform the older generation in their own 32 bit world too.


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Re: Need advice from those more experienced than myself [Re: barfightlard]
    #5049367 - 12/11/05 06:38 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

2GB will be great for WoW, that game likes to eat up memory esp. when theres a ton of players on your screen.

AMD has pwned Intel forever, i see no reason to not go with them. My friend just picked up a dual core and he is loving it.

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Re: Need advice from those more experienced than myself [Re: kronnyQ]
    #5049811 - 12/11/05 08:26 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

the reason amd is not meant for overclockin is cuz it runs hot enuf as it is....and the only reason i would go with the amd 64 bit chip is not cuz of the 64 bitness...but because of the FSB runnin near the frequency as the cpu...that leads to kick ass gaming! and yes...it is future proofing for the new windows commin out...due in about 6 mos if im not mistaken...


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Re: Need advice from those more experienced than myself [Re: barfightlard]
    #5049884 - 12/11/05 08:44 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Overclocking on the Athlon Opteron 144 and 146 San Diego is unbelievable - you can get equivalent to a 64 for a tiny portion of the price.

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Re: Need advice from those more experienced than myself [Re: OJK]
    #5054367 - 12/12/05 07:47 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Alrighty... Here's the basics... I do my fair share of gaming, mostly HL2, CSS and WoW.  I also use programs like 3D Studio Max, Adobe Premiere and Maya.  The computer I've been quoted with at a local store (Plug&Play Computers - yesplay.com) is:

Motherboard
Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe Socket 939 Dual PCI-E Audio SATA Raid 2xGB Lan ($229.85)

CPU
AMD Socket 939 Athlon 64 3200 BP Boxed ($206.80)

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OEM - PC3200 @400MHz - 1024 Dual Channel DDR (2 x 512MB) ($119.79)

The operating system I'm taking from my current computer, as well as a CD/DVD (Re)writer and a hard drive. All together with the case and after taxes I'm being quoted at roughly $700 Canadian.

If any of you know a better combo for me that would be around the same price or cheaper, or a cheaper place to find the same or better parts (this place has a lowest price guarantee), feel free to help me out.  All help is greatly appreciated. :laugh:


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Re: Need advice from those more experienced than myself [Re: Mylz]
    #5054484 - 12/12/05 08:11 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Pretty nice but I for one am an Intel fan (86 arch is so sexy).


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Re: Need advice from those more experienced than myself [Re: OJK]
    #5056345 - 12/13/05 09:03 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Overclocking on the Athlon Opteron 144 and 146 San Diego is unbelievable - you can get equivalent to a 64 for a tiny portion of the price.




If you like older technology and are lucky enough to be able to get a chip with a good stepping ya.


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Re: Need advice from those more experienced than myself [Re: Mylz]
    #5056397 - 12/13/05 09:25 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

This place has free shipping right now, but maybe ncix (guessing thats where your prices are from) will price match them, plus ncix only has 7% tax :thumbup:

AMD 64 3200+ ($186.99)
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=005886&cid=CPU.611

DFI UT NF4-D ($153.99) great mobo, best overclock and it has good features
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=007280&cid=MB.693

OCZ Gold EL PC4000 2GB 2X1GB DDR500 CL3-4-4-8 ($331.74)
http://forum.ncix.com/forums/index.php?m...kid=0#msg971738

Your going to want 2gb of ram if your doing graphics editing and playing new games like WoW, and if you plan on buying newer games in the future chances are they will be memory hogs too, so the 2gb will really be useful.  The 2gb kit I suggested won't be the best overclocker, but it should be alright, if you want something that will push your system further spend $70 more and get the 2GB Mushkin Redline.


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