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Re: "Artificial Intelligence" [Re: Seuss]
    #5097282 - 12/23/05 11:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If our bodies are basically machines or vessals and we reached conciouness, why cant man-made machines reach this conciounsess?


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Re: "Artificial Intelligence" [Re: Energi]
    #5097290 - 12/23/05 11:41 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

they surely could
just pay attention
to what you are
and how you are
it is not that complicated


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Re: "Artificial Intelligence" [Re: raytrace]
    #5097323 - 12/23/05 11:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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From my materialistic point of view, the human brain is a very complex machine/computer
What do you mean from your ?point of view?? Is the synthetic brain going to be conscious only for you and those adhering to your ?point of view??




No, but I think that people who believe in dualism will use the argument that the mind and consciousness is not a result of a (brain)computer but something supernatural/not-material. My idea that the brain is a complex computer and that a synthetic brain will also be conscious is a direct result of my materialistic view. I hoped to prevent the discussion going about dualism vs materialism by using "from my materialistic point of view".

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Is the human brain objectively a computer, or not?




Yes, but I think people with a dualistic view will not agree. They are wrong of course  :wink:


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Re: "Artificial Intelligence" [Re: Energi]
    #5097344 - 12/23/05 12:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Energi said:
If our bodies are basically machines or vessals and we reached conciouness, why cant man-made machines reach this conciounsess?




Our machines and microprocessors are not as complex as the human brain or even the brain of a small mammal.

I'm don't have the knowledge about computers to make a good comparison, if possible at all, but it would be interesting to compare our computers with the nerve system of insects. We have no idea what kind of consciousness an insect has, but we also have no idea what kind of consciousness a normal computer has. We even don't know what consciousness exactly is, but it somehow is a result of a very complex "computer". I see no reason to think that we could never create a machine/computer that has a form of consciousness.


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Re: "Artificial Intelligence" [Re: Annom]
    #5097383 - 12/23/05 12:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Very eerie thought that we would probably create a being in our liking, much like "gods", that would turn out and kill the human population.


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Re: "Artificial Intelligence" [Re: Energi]
    #5098166 - 12/23/05 04:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:rofl2: :thumbup:


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Re: "Artificial Intelligence" [Re: Energi]
    #5100905 - 12/24/05 09:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Very eerie thought that we would probably create a being in our liking, much like "gods", that would turn out and kill the human population.




Yeah, or a being that likes to do what we hate to do. We have more free time and they do the shitty work for us!


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Re: "Artificial Intelligence" [Re: Annom]
    #5102080 - 12/24/05 04:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

so, basically you want to get lazy.
that's the kind of thinking that leads to AI.


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Re: "Artificial Intelligence" [Re: raytrace]
    #5102636 - 12/24/05 07:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, I want to have the option to get lazy if I want :smile:


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Re: "Artificial Intelligence" [Re: Annom]
    #5102760 - 12/24/05 08:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

These new dual-core processors are the shiz-nit for handling multi-threaded applications.

I cant want for the quadra-cores, then the hexa-cores in a few years, and I cant wait to expirence the software that integrates this technology.

What does that have to do with AI? Absolutely everything.


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Re: "Artificial Intelligence" [Re: psyka]
    #5102852 - 12/24/05 08:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry no refererence, but there was a machine about 15 years ago that had 64,000 simple processors in it. Was going to be the next supercomputer. It never took off.


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Re: "Artificial Intelligence" [Re: Annom]
    #5103096 - 12/24/05 10:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry to disappoint you buddy but you simply don?t have that option. Nothing comes for free. It just ain?t the way things work. Careful how much you are willing to pay.

AI is fantasy and belongs to science fiction.

Just the idea that one day I will need to deal with empty garbage cans and treat ?em like human beings chills my blood. I?m telling you, it?s seriously frightening. Yet? this is where your materialistic ?point of view? is leading us.


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Re: "Artificial Intelligence" [Re: raytrace]
    #5104046 - 12/25/05 03:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Just the idea that one day I will need to deal with empty garbage cans and treat ?em like human beings chills my blood. I?m telling you, it?s seriously frightening. Yet? this is where your materialistic ?point of view? is leading us.




Filthly biped chauvinist pig.
Us materialists worship every form of non-living trash containing object. I, and nearly everyone I know, already treat garbage cans with the utmost respect. Get with the times, plug into the real materialist agenda, its necessary for us to extend suffrage to every object!

Really now... trash cans? What are joo talking about!?


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Re: "Artificial Intelligence" [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5104077 - 12/25/05 04:09 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

hey, if you wanna go get laid with a garbage can... go ahead, noone is gonna stop you

note: said "treat 'em like humans" not "treat 'em with respect"


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Re: "Artificial Intelligence" [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5104078 - 12/25/05 04:10 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:lol:


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Re: "Artificial Intelligence" [Re: raytrace]
    #5104082 - 12/25/05 04:12 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm just baffled! Trash cans?


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Re: "Artificial Intelligence" [Re: psyka]
    #5104085 - 12/25/05 04:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

thing is computing power means shit. raw computing power just ain't gonna do it. you need software that does not crash. now, tell me how long can you go without rebooting your pc and you'll get an idea of how much 'autonomy' an intelligent agent can afford


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Re: "Artificial Intelligence" [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5104093 - 12/25/05 04:21 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

by trash cans i'm referring to these..eh supposed "intelligent agents" that one day might sort of "take over the world" or something... what are you perplexed about?


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Re: "Artificial Intelligence" [Re: Swami]
    #5104256 - 12/25/05 09:31 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Swami: the current top computer (Blue Gene) has 131,000 processors, and capable of performing 280 trillion floating point operations per second. The IBM Sage in 1958 could perform 400 thousand operations per second. Personal computers that we casually use today are capable of performing up to 5 billion operations per second in parallel.

The problem with BlueGene/L is that it runs too hot, and the electrons have to travel large distances in the circuitry, so it isnt very practical. Software today doesnt require such computing power... but it will, and sooner than expected. Try playing Doom 3 on an old PC.

raytrace: download Linux, it is capable of not crashing or being rebooted for months, at a time.


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Re: "Artificial Intelligence" [Re: psyka]
    #5105156 - 12/25/05 06:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It would be even better if someone could create ACS (Artificial Common Sense).
People pursuing lifelike AI is just another example of humans trying to play God.


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