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Firestarr357
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what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? 1
#5019764 - 12/05/05 08:18 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just wondering if any one knows at what temperature does Psilocybin start to break down ? Also for how long can it take the heat? I am wondering because I have a food dehydrator with a Temperature knob that goes from 95F to 155f, I just want to make it as efficient as possible at drying my shrooms in the least amount of time with no to very very little potency loss. Thx for your input guy's
Edited by Firestarr357 (12/05/05 08:20 PM)
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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: Firestarr357] 1
#5019796 - 12/05/05 08:24 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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I keep mine on 95 just to be safe. There usually isn't that drastic of a need to dry my mushrooms as fast as possible anyway, so I figure might as well be safe.
As for the exact numbers, I don't know, and I'm not sure if anyone knows for sure. Try to keep it below 140ish or so and I think you should be fine without a doubt.
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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: Ramuh] 1
#5019810 - 12/05/05 08:26 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have been told that temps 100-200 degrees wont effect potency. I personally dry at 140 because my dehydrator only had one setting. I find that potency isn't effected that much but they mushrooms just don't dry as nicely under that much heat. They do dry quickly however.
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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: musher_420] 1
#5022344 - 12/06/05 08:23 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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There was some testing done a while back. It was shown that quality began to degrade when dried just above 162F (I believe it was 162.5F). I personally have dried shrooms at the 175-180F range and had them destroyed. I've also dried at 150F in the oven and they are fantastic!
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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: johnjohnandjamal] 1
#5022496 - 12/06/05 09:29 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Firestarr357
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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: thenewguy05] 1
#5025132 - 12/06/05 06:59 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fantastic after reading your replies ,linking threads, and http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info7.shtml
I have seen that most as in about 90% - 95% of the cases they only lose psilocin, a Great benefit of fresh shrooms, but is lost fast after the shroom dies/dries. However the Psilocybin is left for the most part very intact leaving the shroom still very potent, also however I am guessing and based On what I have gathered from this that some shrooms can take higher heat then others, I think this must have allot to do with where the shrooms are found in the world, because like anything they are adapted to there normal climate. Thanks guy's for help/links/time and I would love more replies.
I am ganna smoke a bowl and keep an eye on this.
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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: Firestarr357] 2
#27754869 - 04/28/22 10:11 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just found this peer-reviewed paper on Stability of psilocybin published in 2020.
Key observations:
Section 3.2: Psilocybin degrades with increasing heat, but doesn't markedly break down below 125C (250F).
Section 3.7: What really destroys psilocybin is time: regardless of storage temperature, its content in dried powdered mushrooms has a half life of only 1 month!
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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: Firestarr357] 1
#27754884 - 04/28/22 10:20 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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A dehydrator on any heat won't affect potency.
Edited by nooneman (04/28/22 10:20 AM)
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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: lysander] 1
#27754885 - 04/28/22 10:20 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Full paper citation:
Gotvaldová K, Hájková K, Borovicˇka J, Jurok R, Cihlářová P, Kuchař M. Stability of psilocybin and its four analogs in the biomass of the psychotropic mushroom Psilocybe cubensis. Drug Test Anal. 2021;13:439–446. https://doi.org/10.1002/dta.2950
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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: lysander] 2
#27754920 - 04/28/22 10:53 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Heh, drug test anal
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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: sandman420] 1
#27754925 - 04/28/22 10:56 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Is this what the cool kids are doing these days?
edit: so it's the test, now it's even weirder
Edited by dyel (04/28/22 10:58 AM)
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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: lysander] 2
#27754944 - 04/28/22 11:07 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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lysander said: Section 3.7: What really destroys psilocybin is time: regardless of storage temperature, its content in dried powdered mushrooms has a half life of only 1 month!
That's why we don't store them powdered.
And it's not time that degrades it's oxygen.
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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: Forrester] 1
#27755229 - 04/28/22 02:45 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Forrester said:
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lysander said: Section 3.7: What really destroys psilocybin is time: regardless of storage temperature, its content in dried powdered mushrooms has a half life of only 1 month!
That's why we don't store them powdered.
And it's not time that degrades it's oxygen.
would this hold true for powdered and immediately frozen?
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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: chris77] 1
#27755324 - 04/28/22 04:17 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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chris77 said:
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Forrester said:
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lysander said: Section 3.7: What really destroys psilocybin is time: regardless of storage temperature, its content in dried powdered mushrooms has a half life of only 1 month!
That's why we don't store them powdered.
And it's not time that degrades it's oxygen.
would this hold true for powdered and immediately frozen?
Since we know that temperature has almost nothing to do with it, I don't see why freezing would help.
Purging the container of oxygen with an inert gas might do the trick, but why the hell would you do that when you can just not powder until ready to use?
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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: Forrester] 1
#27755354 - 04/28/22 04:44 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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it just happened, no hell involved, i put far more in the grinder than needed without giving it much thought. just wondering if deep freezing would help keeping the actives intact. maybe better to put the powder in honey or other?
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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: chris77] 1
#27756208 - 04/29/22 07:23 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Anything to keep the oxygen out, honey should work just might be difficult to dose. You could boil into a tea and freeze the tea into ice cubes. But just freezing the powder won't protect it from oxidation.
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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: Forrester] 1
#27756232 - 04/29/22 07:48 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Forrester said: Anything to keep the oxygen out, honey should work just might be difficult to dose. You could boil into a tea and freeze the tea into ice cubes. But just freezing the powder won't protect it from oxidation.
tx, yes that makes sense. was just wondering, as some info here on putting powder in gelatin capsules states that they can be stored for years in a freezer, but only for a month or so at room temp without loss. so one would think that some people think that temp does play a part. anyways, the idea of ice cubes is tempting. just have to take care in labeling it. otherwise might be some unpredictable cocktail parties in summer
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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: Forrester] 1
#27756253 - 04/29/22 08:05 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Forrester said: Anything to keep the oxygen out, honey should work just might be difficult to dose. You could boil into a tea and freeze the tea into ice cubes. But just freezing the powder won't protect it from oxidation.
Capsules should do the trick, right? Those are air tight AFAIK.
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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: SirPsycho] 1
#27756270 - 04/29/22 08:30 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Forrester said: Anything to keep the oxygen out, honey should work just might be difficult to dose. You could boil into a tea and freeze the tea into ice cubes. But just freezing the powder won't protect it from oxidation.
Capsules should do the trick, right? Those are air tight AFAIK.
"airtight" yes, but there must be some gas exchange, and some air inside and between the grains of powder etc. theres no vacuum
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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: chris77] 1
#27756407 - 04/29/22 10:42 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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People report mixed results with how long capsules hold up, but they don't get rid of the oxygen already inside when you make em
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