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in search of tuolene and lye
    #5019573 - 12/05/05 07:37 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

funny, I know I've seen both of these things
at the local true value and home depot, but I
went tonite and there was no xylene/tuolene
or lye available.

if I can't find it at these places, I'm pretty
much plumb out of ideas...

anyone have any good ideas?


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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: afoaf]
    #5019612 - 12/05/05 07:45 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Keep in mind that toluene from hardware stores is generally not perfectly clean.
Have you tried walmart and homedepot (more likely) for the toluene?
Lye is getting harder and harder to find, maybe call around. Try craft shops?  (You are making soap with it :wink:)
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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: Jaeger]
    #5022545 - 12/06/05 09:44 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

what's a good clean source of tuolene or other suitable
solvent for pedroext?


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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: afoaf]
    #5022711 - 12/06/05 10:23 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Hardware store. If one didn't have xylene or toulene, try another. You'll find it.


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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: Jaeger]
    #5023486 - 12/06/05 01:28 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Keep in mind that toluene from hardware stores is generally not perfectly clean.
Have you tried walmart and homedepot (more likely) for the toluene?
Lye is getting harder and harder to find, maybe call around. Try craft shops?  (You are making soap with it :wink:)
Best of luck




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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: Taskenti]
    #5023512 - 12/06/05 01:32 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

That is one popular use of lye. So when searching for lye, it may be helpful to ask for it using that reasoning.

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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: Taskenti]
    #5023639 - 12/06/05 01:50 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

yep..... good lab grade lye can be had from online soap making sites.....


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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: afoaf]
    #5026346 - 12/06/05 10:43 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I love lowes more and more...just wish they were closer.


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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: afoaf]
    #5026484 - 12/06/05 11:10 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

all squared away now?


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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: afoaf]
    #5026748 - 12/07/05 12:09 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Large hardware stores have huge variety, but therein lies the problem. It's hard to find shit in them. Amazingly, most well-managed locations of ACE Hardware have nearly the same variety of goods as the major departments of a Home Depot, all in an area smaller than your house.

My local ACE hardware has Xylene, Toluene, VM&P Naptha, and White Gas all within 6" of each other. And large supplies of Lye. It also has HCl (sold as muratic acid).

As for the comment on it usually not being pure. Bollocks! Test it!

Most of the time solvents are sold that are very much clean. Residual leftovers would make most solvents to be considered very low quality in the area of performance that 90% of their sales depends upon. Essentially it would be dumb as all hell to sell them that way and would fuck oneself over not to sell pure solvents. Yes some of them contain residues, but many do not. Just test first, and buy it in a small quantity container until you know the quality is good.

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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: Konnrade]
    #5029687 - 12/07/05 05:16 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

yeah...I'm all set.

I grabbed xylol...no tuolene available here.

I hit my local aces...no lye and no good solvents.

I do like those shops though....

will do a test run this weekend...will take pics.

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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: afoaf]
    #5031336 - 12/07/05 10:11 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

hrm... well ACE is a franchise I think, so I guess it all depends on the owner of each one.

I guess my local one is just a good example. Still  :heart: for ace hardware though.

good luck with your plans!


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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: Konnrade]
    #5031370 - 12/07/05 10:16 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Yep, it depends on the owner. But I've seen some with hcl, lye, xylene, naptha, toulene, acetone, etc, all in one store.

I had no need for any of these items, but I was curious as to whether or not they could be found. Another store had no naptha, only quarts of xylene (no gallons), and toulene. Nothing else.


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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5033237 - 12/08/05 08:56 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

sounds like mine...

there's a guy selling nice big 5 gallon HDPE carboys
on ebay for under $7 a piece.

also found a nice 1000mL sep funnel for about $30 on
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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: afoaf]
    #5034562 - 12/08/05 03:40 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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also found a nice 1000mL sep funnel for about $30 on
there.




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You lucky son of a gun, I've been trying to get one of those for that cheap for a long time. :tongue:


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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: Konnrade]
    #5036782 - 12/08/05 10:58 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

they're all over on there...you can find them.

I believe the PTFE ones are safe too with toulene, could
be wrong...don't quote me on it.


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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: afoaf]
    #5037185 - 12/09/05 12:22 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

When I bite the bullet for lab equipment, I go the extra mile and get quality, so I'll get a glass one. It would be far more aesthetic anyhow. And this is going to be in my bedroom in plain view, so aesthetics is just a little bit important.


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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: Konnrade]
    #5044372 - 12/10/05 01:33 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

If you're in a large city, you can also usually get those items in a chemical/laboratory supply business. The purity is probably better than hardware store items.

BTW toluene is a precursor used to make T.N.T., so I suspect it could be a watched chemical


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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: toratiger]
    #5044851 - 12/10/05 04:07 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

yes yes... tri nitro toluene.

But it's a common solvent. Xylene is just more popular because it evaporates more slowly. I doubt you'd get any hassle with buying it. The other ingredients in tnt are FAR more difficult to get, anyhow.


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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: Konnrade]
    #5044943 - 12/10/05 04:29 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Yes... xylene is a bitch to evaporate... if you ever needed to.
Slightly off topic, but to those who have evaporated naptha, how bad is the smell? I hear it's loads more tolerable than xylene. (which simply can't be done in doors reasonably.


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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5044977 - 12/10/05 04:36 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Naptha isn't too bad.  Just think how a zippo smells :smile:  I kinda like it.

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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5045006 - 12/10/05 04:41 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

oh god yeah dont get me started on evaporating xylene. Not only is it slow but my god the smell!

Surprisingly, my entire bedroom smelled AWFUL just because one of the HDPE jugs with xylene in it had a slightly loose fitting lid.

As soon as I get my sep funnel and some pedro to extract from, I'm going to use toluene instead of xylene.


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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: Konnrade]
    #5045024 - 12/10/05 04:47 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

You'd be surprised how well a large plastic rubbermaid tub with lid (like the kind used for mushroom growing) contains the smell of xylene. Put something slightly heavy on top and it's nearly air tight. Not a trace of smell, until you open it... then the room is instantly flooded. :smile:


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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5045421 - 12/10/05 06:20 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

when searching for lye you want to buy red devil drain cleaner it is 100% lye. I don't know what the hell you are useing that for. Becarefull and don't do any thing stupid. Lye is watched as people don't really use it to clean their pipes like they are suppossed to. I hope that all your doing is cleaning a cloged drain. I was told in 9th grade what lye was by a teacher he was explaining something about some idoit that tried to desolve bodys with it or some stupid shit like that. I guess it always stuck with me that story he told.

http://www.endtimesreport.com/making_bar_soap.html

good news it looks like it was finely discontinued. I hope that slows down them damn tweakers!!
http://candleandsoap.about.com/od/coldprocesssoapmaking/a/lyesources.htm

they list alturnitives on where to buy it online.

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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: onetime]
    #5045435 - 12/10/05 06:24 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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I hope that all your doing is cleaning a cloged drain.




Heh... you must be new here? (not literally)

We start fight clubs. But the kind you can talk about. You can't have a fight club without scaring the shit out of some dude by pouring lye on his hands.


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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5045451 - 12/10/05 06:28 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

no I am not new I edited my post with new links.


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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: onetime]
    #5045514 - 12/10/05 06:40 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

It was just silly to say what you hope people are using it for.

Got anything against mescaline and DMT? I hope not. It hurts decent chemists as well as the "bad ones". Either way, lots of stores are restocking with other brands I've never heard of before. One had a number of 99% varieties that weren't there before Red Devil stopped with their product.


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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: onetime]
    #5045838 - 12/10/05 08:08 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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when searching for lye you want to buy red devil drain cleaner it is 100% lye. I don't know what the hell you are useing that for. Becarefull and don't do any thing stupid. Lye is watched as people don't really use it to clean their pipes like they are suppossed to. I hope that all your doing is cleaning a cloged drain. I was told in 9th grade what lye was by a teacher he was explaining something about some idoit that tried to desolve bodys with it or some stupid shit like that. I guess it always stuck with me that story he told.

http://www.endtimesreport.com/making_bar_soap.html

good news it looks like it was finely discontinued. I hope that slows down them damn tweakers!!
http://candleandsoap.about.com/od/coldprocesssoapmaking/a/lyesources.htm

they list alturnitives on where to buy it online.




People like me use it in acid/base extractions. it is NOT good that it's been discontinued, and the end result is going to cause more harm than good if someone is stupid enough to try substituting an impure equivalent because they cant find Red Devil. Commonly it is used to extract mescaline crystals as well as DMT from their organic sources.

I havent patronized this particular establishment myself, but here is a hobby chemistry supply vendor that sells reagent grade NaOH for soapmaking purposes. I'd advise that you buy the smallest sized container, because anything larger comes with an unpleasant HazMat handling fee. I beleive you can buy any number of the smallest container and still avoid the fee, so you can still buy in bulk.
http://www.chemistrystore.com/Sodium_Hydroxide.htm


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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: Konnrade]
    #5046415 - 12/10/05 11:37 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

or, you could just make your own lye from wood ashes


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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: Konnrade]
    #5046435 - 12/10/05 11:45 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

yeah...regarding the xylol fumes...I've got a nice garage that vents well.


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Re: in search of tuolene and lye [Re: fungivore]
    #5049044 - 12/11/05 05:05 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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or, you could just make your own lye from wood ashes




I suppose you could, but it really just seems more worthwhile to buy reagent grade from a chemical company. That eliminates a few "fuckup vectors".


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