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about to install ubuntu!
    #5019183 - 12/05/05 06:09 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

so my roomate got a new computer, and donated his old one to me - my plan is to have it as a media-center in our living room, attached to our network, so we can play any music on the network through the living room sound-system, as well as hook the computer up to the television there so any movies or television programs we download can be played for all the enjoy. anyway, i've been a debian user for some time now, and have heard quite good things about ubuntu here and elsewhere. so i downloaded the latest iso (5.10, i guess) and am about to install it on this other machine. wish me luck! :smile:


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Krishna]
    #5019241 - 12/05/05 06:24 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I would suggest freebsd...


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: ThePredator]
    #5019436 - 12/05/05 07:07 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

what is freebsd a peer to peer file saring system?

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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Krishna]
    #5019464 - 12/05/05 07:11 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I just downloaded it too. Now I've got a stupid question to ask: How do I install it?


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Silversoul]
    #5019547 - 12/05/05 07:31 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Burn a cd with the iso image, and boot with the cd in the drive. The installation should start automatically.

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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Krishna]
    #5019565 - 12/05/05 07:36 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Wait, Krishna, you're gonna use the box with ubuntu as the media center? Are you going to install something like MythTV on top of it? I'm also interested in trying to do a linux box devoted entirely to media, so please, post your results.

I've been using kubuntu and, at this point, have very few complaints. Good luck.


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: moog]
    #5019619 - 12/05/05 07:46 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

moog said:
Burn a cd with the iso image, and boot with the cd in the drive. The installation should start automatically.



Didn't work. It just booted Windows like normal. What now?


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Silversoul]
    #5019756 - 12/05/05 08:16 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

change your BIOS settings to boot to CD before HDD

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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: debianlinux]
    #5019817 - 12/05/05 08:27 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

How do I do that?


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Silversoul]
    #5020063 - 12/05/05 09:11 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

probably press delete or Fsomething on bootup - it'll usually flash 'press delete to enter setup' or something along those lines.

then you'll see some setting to change the boot priority.

if that doesn't work, you can use rawrite on DOS to copy the file install/smb.bin (from the ubuntu cd that you've burned) to a floppy disk - then boot with that disk, and the cd in your harddrive (it'll override the bios settings). however, i'd try to change the bios settings if you can - i started my install with the latter method (because the computer's bios wouldn't read the bloody cd-drive) and i think it loaded the cd-drive at 1X - this is going slow as all hell!


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Gijith]
    #5020077 - 12/05/05 09:13 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

i've previously been using my debian system as a media center, with no problems (was able to go from VGA out directly to an LCD TV, have yet to get the proper converters so I can try it out on the television i have here). mainily use Totem and XMMS, & VLC every now and again.

i doubt i'll install the kubuntu package on top of this, as i much prefer gnome, but i might do it just to check it out.

but holy jesus this install is going slow!


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Krishna]
    #5020285 - 12/05/05 09:47 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Krishna said:
probably press delete or Fsomething on bootup - it'll usually flash 'press delete to enter setup' or something along those lines.

then you'll see some setting to change the boot priority.



Ok, I've changed the boot priority, and it still won't work.

Quote:

if that doesn't work, you can use rawrite on DOS to copy the file install/smb.bin (from the ubuntu cd that you've burned) to a floppy disk - then boot with that disk, and the cd in your harddrive (it'll override the bios settings). however, i'd try to change the bios settings if you can - i started my install with the latter method (because the computer's bios wouldn't read the bloody cd-drive) and i think it loaded the cd-drive at 1X - this is going slow as all hell!



Alas, this is a laptop, which does not have a floppy drive.


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Gijith]
    #5020309 - 12/05/05 09:51 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

as for this MythTV, i had never heard of it before - doing some research into it now and it actually sounds really interesting. the box that i'm installing ubuntu on currently is actually quite old (i think p2 300 mhz ), and i don't have any of the hardware needed to really run the kind of system that MythTV seems to be (the only 'live' television i can get comes from rabbit-ear antenna's). this box is mainly just going to be for xmms, totem/vlc, and the internet. however, reading through the documentation at http://www.mythtv.org definitely sparks my interest in building a box and trying it out.

my only worry is that it might try to be too 'user-friendly' and end up being cumbersome. usually a 'packaging' of programs isn't really necessary if all the individual ones accomplish their tasks, and you know how to run them all


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Silversoul]
    #5020323 - 12/05/05 09:53 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

ok, do you have a usb memory stick or something like that?

and when you change the boot priority, did it say 'scanning cd-rom for bootable disk' or something like that, but then just resolve to 'not bootable' and boot to windows? there are some bios issues with booting from the .iso cd - you might have to boot from another device and then load the cd


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Krishna]
    #5020357 - 12/05/05 09:57 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

pardigm you probably didn't burn it as a bottable iso.

Krishna xine is soooo much better than totem

whoever asked about freebsd, its an operating system based on a kernel made by berkly university. It is more powerful and stable but harder to set up and takes more knowledge of unix.


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: ThePredator]
    #5020383 - 12/05/05 09:59 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

i really don't like xine, i'm not quite sure why - maybe something about how the window behaves (like how it is sticky, how you open files, etc). i usually use vlc if i'm opening anything from the command-line, otherwise if it auto-loads, it is usually in totem. the only problem i've experienced is when you load a subtitle track (a .srt file) the subtitles are small as hell.

and yeah, it might not be a bootable disk, paradigm. when you load m$ and look at the disk, is it all extracted, or is it just the .iso file? any semi-decent burning program should turn a .iso into an extracted image when burning it, though...

Edited by Krishna (12/05/05 10:01 PM)

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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Krishna]
    #5020389 - 12/05/05 10:01 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Krishna said:
ok, do you have a usb memory stick or something like that?



You mean one of those external drives? Ya, but the file was too big.

Quote:

and when you change the boot priority, did it say 'scanning cd-rom for bootable disk' or something like that, but then just resolve to 'not bootable' and boot to windows? there are some bios issues with booting from the .iso cd - you might have to boot from another device and then load the cd



No, it just went directly to the Windows boot like it always does.


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: ThePredator]
    #5020406 - 12/05/05 10:02 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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ThePredator said:
pardigm you probably didn't burn it as a bottable iso.



How am I supposed to do that?


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Silversoul]
    #5020555 - 12/05/05 10:20 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

well, if you can browse the cd in windows (thus it extracted the iso properly in burning and the cd should be bootable), and even after resetting your bios to the cd-drive it still boots to windows, then it might be your bios that won't support booting from the cd. without a floppy drive, you could format a usb flash drive and use rawrite on windows to install the sbm.bin file (located at install/sbm.bin on the extracted iso) onto the usb-drive - and then try booting with that...

otherwise an install over a network? or try another distribution's bootable cd (or ubuntu's live cd) and see if they work?


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Silversoul]
    #5020687 - 12/05/05 10:35 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

burn the .iso with dvddecrypter - that works.

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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Krishna]
    #5020691 - 12/05/05 10:36 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I prefer gxine for movies.

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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Krishna]
    #5020759 - 12/05/05 10:45 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

here's how to install all the codecs you need:

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1. install various codecs from repositories

* sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
* sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-lame
* sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
* sudo apt-get install lame
* sudo apt-get install sox
* sudo apt-get install ffmpeg
* sudo apt-get install mjpegtools
* sudo apt-get install vorbis-tools
* sudo apt-get install flac

2. then download and install w32 codec and libdvdcss2

* sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20050412-0unofficialubuntu2_i386.deb
* sudo dpkg -i libdvdcss2_1.2.8-1unofficialubuntu3_i386.deb

3. REGISTER codecs with the command

* gst-register-0.8

4. Get and install xine (or gxine - what I prefer on gnome)

* sudo apt-get install gxine





I have the .debs if you want them.

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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Vvellum]
    #5020828 - 12/05/05 10:55 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I downloaded the install CD...

the installation got to the part where it wants to partition my drive..

it wants the whole 40 gigs (that's how big C: is) I want to install it to co-exist with XP...

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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Boom]
    #5020838 - 12/05/05 10:56 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Booooom said:
I downloaded the install CD...

the installation got to the part where it wants to partition my drive..

it wants the whole 40 gigs (that's how big C: is) I want to install it to co-exist with XP...



Thanks. That just saved me a lot of trouble. I guess I'll just keep these 40 gigs for windows.


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Silversoul]
    #5020852 - 12/05/05 10:58 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

:lol:

Ok...

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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Boom]
    #5020878 - 12/05/05 11:02 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

you need to setup a dual-boot: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo

basically:

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Once you have the CD, insert it into your CDROM drive and reboot your PC.

*

If the computer does not boot from the CD (eg. Windows starts again instead), check your BIOS settings and fix as appropriate.

#

If successfully booted from CD, the Ubuntu Logo will be displayed on the screen, press Enter to continue.
#

Follow the prompts.
#

The installer will then detect your hard drives and load the disk partitioner.

1.

Choose "Manually edit partition table"
*

Listed will be your current partitions
2.

Select the partition you want to resize and press Enter.
3.

Select "Size:", press Enter.
4.

Select Yes, press Enter.
5.

Type in a new size in Gigabytes for your the partition, its recommended you make AT LEAST 10 GB of free space for your Ubuntu install. Press Enter when happy with your changes. It may take some time to apply the changes.
6.

Create a swap partition of around 500mb.
7.

Create a partition for your Ubuntu installation, at least 10 GB.
8.

Select "Finish partitioning and write changes to disk".
9.

Finish installing your Ubuntu system.
10.

On reboot, remove your Ubuntu cdrom from the cdrom drive, you should be presented with a list of operating systems to boot. Ubuntu should have automatically detected your Windows installation and added an option to boot it on this screen.





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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Silversoul]
    #5020891 - 12/05/05 11:03 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

if setting up a dual-boot (quite easy - see above instructions) scares you, then linux is not for you.

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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Vvellum]
    #5020921 - 12/05/05 11:06 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

bi0 said:
if setting up a dual-boot (quite easy) scares you, then linux is not for you.



It's not that it scares me. It's just that my laptop is only 40 gigs.


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Silversoul]
    #5020929 - 12/05/05 11:07 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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It's just that my laptop is only 40 gigs.




so? all ubuntu needs is a minimum of 10 GB...

also, have you checked to see if your laptop is compatible?
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops?highlight=%28laptops%29

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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Vvellum]
    #5020962 - 12/05/05 11:12 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

...and if 10 GB minimum is too much, try ubuntu lite

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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Vvellum]
    #5020970 - 12/05/05 11:13 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

My laptop isn't on that list. I take it that means it's not compatible?


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Silversoul]
    #5020987 - 12/05/05 11:16 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

what make/model?

I'm sure that list isnt definitive
and I am not an authority on laptops.
ask the forums or irc channel.
http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=102
or
#ubuntu on irc.freenode.net

you should try out a live cd 1st
to see what works & what doesnt.

that's the first step...
that & reading a bit more.

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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Vvellum]
    #5021145 - 12/05/05 11:46 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Acer Aspire 3003WLCi


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Silversoul]
    #5022327 - 12/06/05 08:14 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Would Adobe software like photoshop install properly on ubuntu?

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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: gema]
    #5022465 - 12/06/05 09:18 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

no its a windows based software, however some programs will run under a windoes emulater termed wine

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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: gema]
    #5022676 - 12/06/05 10:15 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

there is a gnu 'version' of photoshop - the gimp that will basically do the same things as photoshop (i know, photoshop elite will hate me for saying that, but for the average (and even above average) user, i think gimp is just fine (and free!)).

the install kept screwing up on me, leading me to believe there is a problem with the hard-drive or cd-rom drive on the computer i was trying to do the install on. trying it again, and am further along now than i was yesterday -- if this fails, i'll boot from a minix type floppy, reformat and set up the partitions properly, and then try to do a network install.

also downloading the latest gentoo iso to install it on a friend's computer in the next few days. it'll be interesting to compare the debian that i'm so used to with ubuntu (albeit the ubuntu running on a much crappier machine) and gentoo.

if you still aren't having luck Paradigm, and want to go through with this, send me a msg, and i'll try to walk you through it...


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Krishna]
    #5022708 - 12/06/05 10:22 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Krishna said:
there is a gnu 'version' of photoshop - the gimp that will basically do the same things as photoshop (i know, photoshop elite will hate me for saying that, but for the average (and even above average) user, i think gimp is just fine (and free!)).



It depends. There are some things GIMP does better than Photoshop, and some things that Photoshop does better than GIMP. All in all, though, I prefer photoshop.


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Krishna]
    #5022752 - 12/06/05 10:33 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

the install should only take 30 mins - maybe a bit longer on a slow machine.

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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: gema]
    #5022770 - 12/06/05 10:38 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

gema said:
Would Adobe software like photoshop install properly on ubuntu?




http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?appId=17
or
possibly with crossoveroffice

you could always use gimpshop.

I prefer the gimp - does everything I need it to.

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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Vvellum]
    #5022833 - 12/06/05 10:55 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

:grin:

Ok, I'm on a real partition now and I'm runnin' Ubuntu, thanks

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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Vvellum]
    #5022848 - 12/06/05 10:59 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

yeah i think there are some serious problems with this hard-drive and/or cd-rom. unfortunately that is the only computer i have at my house with a floppy drive, otherwise i'd make a boot-disk, reformat and set up the partition, and then try to install again. i guess this gives me motivation to actually go to work, instead of just working from home!


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Boom]
    #5023100 - 12/06/05 11:45 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Booooom said:
:grin:

Ok, I'm on a real partition now and I'm runnin' Ubuntu, thanks




:thumbup: congrats

once you get familiar,
you'll soon finding yourself not booting
into windows and using linux exclusively instead.

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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Vvellum]
    #5023522 - 12/06/05 01:32 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Ive never used either ubuntu or freebsd, my school uses Fedora. I got decently good with Fedora, so how do these other Linux variations compare in your opinions? I plan on installing some variation of linux, Im a computer engineer, so I know my way around a computer and am not afraid to learn commands or deal with complexities.

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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: TheCow]
    #5023672 - 12/06/05 01:54 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Fedora sucks campared to the rest. If your able to deal with complexities I would suggest either freebsd or gentoo, they leave all the ohters in the dust.


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: ThePredator]
    #5023822 - 12/06/05 02:18 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I was reading that freebsd, a lot of open source programs dont work with it for some reason. What are your thoughts on Debian?

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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: TheCow]
    #5023911 - 12/06/05 02:32 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I have never had a program source not work for it, the opera binarys are slightly buggy but that is all I have run across.

Debian is too outdated for my tastes, its a very plain distro. I personally think that if you like that style go for slackware.


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: ThePredator]
    #5024029 - 12/06/05 03:00 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

And gentoo vs. freebsd. My friend uses gentoo but I have never really seen very much of it, looked all pretty standard.

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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: TheCow]
    #5024062 - 12/06/05 03:11 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Gentoo is actually quite revolutionary (for linux) everything is compiled for your system, runs like a dream. Offside is it takes a day and a half to set up, but its worth it in the long run. Also you have to know a good ammount of unix stuff to use it and set it up.


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: ThePredator]
    #5024250 - 12/06/05 03:59 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

What file system should I use with gentoo? I want to be able to play songs from my windows partition while I am on linux.

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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: TheCow]
    #5024945 - 12/06/05 06:12 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

The file system doesn't matter for mounting a windows partition. Personally I like ReiserFS and XFS, if you want bleeding edge technology Reiser4 is where its at, but with Reiser4 you have to do some extra stuff to compile the kernel, so go with ReiserFS.


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Krishna]
    #5026014 - 12/06/05 09:41 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

this is excellent. automatically does TONS of the unofficial stuff and little tweaks needed by most users to get up and running:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66563


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: wilshire]
    #5026539 - 12/06/05 11:22 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Fuck...

where's the actual .tar file for that? I can't find the link

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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Boom]
    #5026932 - 12/07/05 01:04 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

automatix was taken down by its author - read the last few pages of that thread. lots of drama - anyway, here's something similiar that you'd like.

you can do all of those things that automatix or whatever the fork is being called quite easily yourself...if you need help, let me know.

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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: ThePredator]
    #5027529 - 12/07/05 08:33 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

debian is too outdated?

do explain yourself!

i haven't had any problems with debian at all, and actually prefer it to FC3 by a long-shot...


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: Krishna]
    #5028593 - 12/07/05 01:34 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

By outdated I mean its been around forever and hasn't really changed, it just keeps up with the kernel versions and doesn't do anything new or revolutionary. Most distros ar epreferable to Fedora :wink:


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Re: about to install ubuntu! [Re: ThePredator]
    #5028675 - 12/07/05 01:52 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

i see what you mean, i guess.

but the way i figure, debian has stuck with the same basic principles (apt-get for example) because they work.


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