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Re: anyone ever see god(source) & the devil(trickery) [Re: psychedelix]
    #5017059 - 12/05/05 09:51 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

oh yeah i man i mean i don't think it means i'm posessed or anything like that..... but you know, why dream of the devil when it could just be like, a talking dog or something? So the dream meant something rather important, just not in the literal satan sense i don't think.

i do think that "shadow" and the "devil" are parts of our psyche that we repress and condemn....... but it's all just philosophy isn't it? anything that you believe becomes real in the depths of your mind.........


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Re: anyone ever see god(source) & the devil(trickery) [Re: leery11]
    #5017114 - 12/05/05 10:21 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

To 'believe' in God or The Devil, you have to buy into Good and Bad also. Isn't the nature of reality, and of nature itself just to 'be'.

There is no right or wrong in nature, just survival. So how can Man be any different to the nature of things? I don't believe in Good or Bad, so therefore I can't believe in God or The Devil. I believe that you can make choices, and the choices you make can have positive or negative consequences. But simply to state 'that is Good' or 'that is Bad' is too subjective.

So in summary - if you see 'God' or 'The Devil' whilst tripping or dreaming, don't read too much into it - this sort of stuff is ingrained in our deep collective memories, it will take ages, aeons perhaps to be filtered out..


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Re: anyone ever see god(source) & the devil(trickery) [Re: LuciferSam]
    #5017242 - 12/05/05 10:59 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I wouldn't say that things of nature are just to 'be'.
Common man, you really think that it is only our thoughts that point us to God. There are countless things in your life that have happened that made you differ right from wrong, good from evil. I really wouldn't know if you're describing a world where people never waged war or made peace. What you say is bah. It has no place in the world we occupy. If you want to know about survival, it means using resources to live your life, even if it means distinguishing others for food or territory, which is a primative mentality. We all know survival without doing bad for another and good for yourself cannot exist, therefore, there is such thing as good and bad. I don't want to say too much, because I'm ready to pass out and can't think that straight.
I can argue that there is such thing as a manifestor of good as well as another for evil. I have felt it before, and as of lately, I'm pretty sure I saw something that made more sense to me than I can write about.

Until next time...
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Re: anyone ever see god(source) & the devil(trickery) [Re: psychedelix]
    #5017368 - 12/05/05 11:27 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Why? The thing in nature is just that a thing. You are the one who puts a good or bad label on it depending on what filter you are looking at it through. For instance, through the filter of the body, a snake is dangerous, it can inject venom that may harm or kill you. Through the filter of curiosity, the snake may be fun and interesting, colorful and quick moving, what is that? To believe that either one is more correct or whatever is wrong. They are all simply ways to view, each one true to itself when looked at in that way, yet like a prism at the same time, capable of many different colors(views) from the same light(thing).

It seems that we make good and bad. Ever seen the word good, naturally? Without human intervention?


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Re: anyone ever see god(source) & the devil(trickery) [Re: mecreateme]
    #5017633 - 12/05/05 12:20 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I saw the devil in a trip once: it was me. I thought I was the devil for tricking myself (and my friends) into eating something poisonous like mushrooms, trading a little fun for a destroyed mind. My friends were laughing it up while I was panicing about my self-realization. I felt horrible and it got me thinking about how we spend so much time to avoid the devil that we may not even notice that WE are the devil. Well, that trip fucked me up mentally for a while but since I have become more educated (shrooms are not really poisonous) and have had a few trips to sort eveything out. That trip was just a prelude into my current belief that everything is simultaneously "good" and "evil" to the point that there is NO "good" or "evil"--Everything is as it is.

Oh, I saw the fractals and the source coming from everything but at the same time I was trapped in a circus of evil and trickery that I was the ringleader of!


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Re: anyone ever see god(source) & the devil(trickery) [Re: psychedelix]
    #5021768 - 12/06/05 02:26 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Alright, I think the last post I shouldn't have written it in that way.
My outlook on this world, is in all simplicity, the contradiction of one another.

I think that there is a sense of 2 things always merging in dependance of one another to create one whole, collectiveness, forming something new.  I guess it's that togetherness that makes everything move and turn.

I worte this hours ago, forgetting to submit.  :foreheadslap:


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Re: anyone ever see god(source) & the devil(trickery) [Re: psychedelix]
    #5033580 - 12/08/05 10:57 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Psychedelix, about you feeling at the border of a fractal...

Holographic principle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_principle

The holographic principle is a speculative conjecture about quantum gravity theories, proposed by Gerard 't Hooft and improved and promoted by Leonard Susskind, claiming that all of the information contained in a volume of space can be represented by a theory that lives in the boundary of that region. In other words, if you have a room then you can model all of the events within that room by creating a theory that only takes into account what happens in the walls of the room. The holographic principle also states that at most there is one degree of freedom per Planck area in that theory.


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Re: anyone ever see god(source) & the devil(trickery) [Re: infinitedot]
    #5033769 - 12/08/05 11:41 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Son of a bitch, that sounds brilliant!
Man people in here really are on top of shit when it comes to bringing up interesting topics and expanding on them.  I say this is ideal by my standards.
infinitedot, you've done it again, now all the spare time that I'll have I will spend reading up on things I experienced from one night compared to taking other people their whole life's work to prove it's existence through writing a fuck load of words... trully amazing material:thumbup:


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Re: anyone ever see god(source) & the devil(trickery) [Re: infinitedot]
    #5033790 - 12/08/05 11:46 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: anyone ever see god(source) & the devil(trickery) [Re: infinitedot]
    #5033821 - 12/08/05 11:55 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

You might very well want to check these as well:

Holotropic Mind, by Stanislav Grof. Grof is the father of Transpersonal Psychology. He was experimenting with LSD in psychotherapy. Go figure.

"Transpersonal psychology is concerned with the study of humanity?s highest potential, and with the recognition, understanding, and realization of unitive, spiritual, and transcendent states of consciousness"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transpersonal_psychology

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0062503677


Holographic Universe:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060922583


About physics and mysticism, the two classic works are:

The Dancing Wu Li Masters
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/055326382X


The Tao of Physics
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1570625190


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Re: anyone ever see god(source) & the devil(trickery) [Re: infinitedot]
    #5033880 - 12/08/05 12:14 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

And some more pictures to think about:

Spirals found in the Mandelbrot's Julia fractal. I rendered this yesterday, with Ultrafractal:


Sri Yantra mandala, symbol of Man and the Cosmos:


Sahasrara, the crown chakra, found in a plantation:



Ice flakes. Creation never repeats. There are no two exact ice flakes in the whole Universe.


"There are things known and there are things unknown, and in between are the doors of perception."
"I wanted to change the world. But I have found that the only thing one can be sure of changing is oneself."
"After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music."
"Those who believe that they are exclusively in the right are generally those who achieve something."
"An intellectual is a person who has discovered something more interesting than sex."
"There is only one corner of the universe you can be certain of improving, and that's your own self."
"Maybe this world is another planet's Hell."
"All gods are homemade, and it is we who pull their strings, and so, give them the power to pull ours."
"Every man who knows how to read has it in his power to magnify himself, to multiply the ways in which he exists, to make his life full, significant and interesting."
"Most of one's life is one prolonged effort to prevent oneself thinking."
"Several excuses are always less convincing than one."
"The most distressing thing that can happen to a prophet is to be proved wrong. The next most distressing thing is to be proved right."
"The proper study of mankind is books."
"The secret of genius is to carry the spirit of the child into old age, which mean never losing your enthusiasm."
"Thought must be divided against itself before it can come to any knowledge of itself."
"Uncontrolled, the hunger and thirst after God may become an obstacle, cutting off the soul from what it desires. If a man would travel far along the mystic road, he must learn to desire God intensely but in stillness, passively and yet with all his heart and mind and strength. "
"Which is better: to have fun with fungi or to have Idiocy with ideology, to have wars because of words, to have tomorrow's misdeeds out of yesterday's miscreeds?"

All of them by a 20th Century genius and psychonaut: Aldous Huxley.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldous_Huxley


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Re: anyone ever see god(source) & the devil(trickery) [Re: infinitedot]
    #5034004 - 12/08/05 12:58 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

A Holotropic Mind Within - A Holographic Universe
http://www.meta-religion.com/Physics/Consciousness/a_holotropic_mind_within.htm

The Holographic Universe, Michael Talbot

HarperCollins, 1991 (338 pp)

The Holotropic Mind, Stanislov Grof-

HarperCollins, 1992 (240 pp)

Reviewed by Bryan Geer

Our understanding of the universe is only as fine as the ?models? we build to explain it to us. Plato likened the universe to a giant bowl, in which the one true god-like a master chef-mixed together the ingrediants of creation. Later, after Newton and up through the Industrial Revolution, the universe was likened to a giant clockwork mechanism, and god was reduced to the role of the Prime Clockmaker, content now to do nothing but watch creation wind down.

In the early twentieth century, new wrinkles were added to the fabric of the universe: quantum mechanics, the Uncertainty Principle, and Relativity, to name a few. The old mechanistic, deterministic view of the universe was shattered forever-but what new model do we have not to replace it with?

In the mid-1960?s, a powerful new technology was developed: HOLOGRAPHY, in which the interferance patterns of twin laser beams create realistic three-dimensional images. Interestingly enough, any fragment of the holographic film can be used to create the entire original 3-D image.

When University of London physicist David Bohm, a protege of Einstein?s and one of the world?s most respected quantum physicists, encountered holography for the first time, he was electrified (figuratively): here at last was a new process on which to model our understanding of the universe-THE UNIVERSE IS LIKE A HOLOGRAM.

This fascinating theory is the subject of Michael Talbot?s absorbing book, The Holographic Universe. Talbot explains the origin of the holographic model in the work of Bohm-dissatisfied with the standard theories? inability to explain all of the phenomena encountered in quantum physics-and the work of Karl Pribram, a neurophysiologist at Stanford University, who was likewise dissatisfied with the inability of standard theories of the brain to explain various neurophysiological puzzles... like for instance the appaarent NON-LOCAL existance of memory within the brain.

Prior to the work of Pribram, it was generally assumed that specific memories had specific locations somewhere within the brain tissues-called ?engrams.? For example, a rat trained to run a maze would have an ?engram? of the maze in its brain; find that engram and cut it out, and the rat should become lost. But a series of experiments conducted by Pribram?s mentor, Karl Lashley, at the Yerkes Laboratory of Primate Biology, demonstrated that this was not so: the rat brains could be sliced, diced, shuffled, and fricassed-yet the rats still could navigate the maze.

To Pribram, the only explanation was that the memories were NOT located at specific sites within the brain, but were somehow spread out or distributed throughout the brain. The problem was that he knew of no process or mechanism that could account for such a state of affairs-until he encountered holography.

Just as one fragment of a hologram can create the entire holographic image (with admittedly less detail and lower resolution), so too can one fragment of the brain remember the contents of the brain as a whole (ditto on the lower resolution). Ergo: THE BRAIN IS LIKE A HOLOGRAM.

And that is the thesis of Stanislov Grof?s book The Holotropic Mind. Grof, a former Freudian dissatisfied with traditional psychoanalysis? inability to explain many psychological problems, is widely known as the father of transpersonal psychology-the idea that a person?s psyche is not necessarily limited to his own brain. Under the right conditions (psychoactive drugs or Holotropic Breathwork TM, e.g.), a person can experience ?transpersonal? states of consciousness, and think the thoughts of other people, past lives, plants and animals, the planet itself, or even the entire cosmos.

The holographic model came into existance when Pribram-already convinced of the holographic nature of the brain-encountered the work of Bohm, and discovered that the entire universe was like a hologram.

To the naked eye, an un-illuminated piece of holographic film appears to have no order or meaning. Its order is implied within the apparently random interference patterns; illuminated by the proper light, the implicate order becomes explicate and the image appears. Our three-dimensional universe, likewise, is the explicate construction of a vaster and more mysterious dimensionless realm, illuminated by the light of consciousness.

[See also the Bose-Einstein Condensate model of consciousness within The Quantum Society]

Bohm and Pribram realized that the holographic model explained a number of mysteries both mundane and profound: how people with hearing in only one ear can determine the direction from which a sound originates, our ability to recognize the face of someone we have not seen in many years even if they have changed greatly, and the apparent inability of any theory, no matter how comprehensive, to account for all the phenomena encountered in nature.

Michael Talbot takes these ideas one step further, and demonstrates how the holographic model can explain telepathy, precognition, mystical feelings of oneness with the universe (a specialty of Grof?s as well) and even psychokinesis. Naturally, these ideas have no place in the old Newtonian model of the universe; but if the psi phenomena is real, how else can we explain it?

The holographic model is highly controversial, and is by no means accepted by a majority of scientists. However, many important and impressive thinkers DO support it and believe it to be the most accurate picture of reality to date.

Begin by reading The Holotropic Mind. After Grof has convinced you of the reality of the brain-as-hologram idea you will be ready to delve into the universe-as-hologram theory as explained by Talbot-these two volumes are quite complementary. Once you grasp the essential whole-in-part of the holographic model, you will be ready, in the words of the poet William Blake:

To see the World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an Hour.


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Re: anyone ever see god(source) & the devil(trickery) [Re: infinitedot]
    #5034020 - 12/08/05 01:03 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

In that review it talks about David Bohm, one of the leading scientists in the 20th Century.


He had INTENSE talks that helped develop his theories with...
...Jiddu Krishnamurti, probably the most Enlightened being in 20th Century too.



For more info:
A Brief Introduction To The Work Of Krishnamurti, by Professor David Bohm.
http://www.ratical.com/many_worlds/K/K1.html#BohmIntro2K
And: http://www.prahlad.org/gallery/krishnamurti.htm


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Re: anyone ever see god(source) & the devil(trickery) [Re: infinitedot]
    #5034195 - 12/08/05 01:48 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

mann, I was writing about the coincidence when you mentioned Aldous Huxley and I was watching a DVD on him called THe Gravity of Light, Anyway, I've had this problem with my laptop where if I watch any type of video with divx/xvid compression, my system sometimes locks-up, and it happened right after I finished writing a half-hour's worth of ideas and just valuable thoughts in the process of a spell check... fuck

but it might've happened for a reason, and I won't dismiss the possibility, but I really wanted to post that...  :ohwell:


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Re: anyone ever see god(source) & the devil(trickery) [Re: psychedelix]
    #5034200 - 12/08/05 01:49 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

fuck :doggystyle:


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Re: anyone ever see god(source) & the devil(trickery) [Re: infinitedot]
    #5034796 - 12/08/05 04:15 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Don't you ever dare to talk about "coincidences" anymore. :wink:

Call them Synchronicities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity



The man standing between Louis de Broglie and Heisenberg is Wolfgang Pauli.

He was psychoanalized by Carl Jung and together they came with the term Synchronicity to describe "meaningful coincidences". Of course, Pauli was harshly criticized among his colleagues for this "esoteric" knowledge.

Who knows. Someday Synchronicites might be part of that Theory of Everything.


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Re: anyone ever see god(source) & the devil(trickery) [Re: infinitedot]
    #5034938 - 12/08/05 04:40 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Dude, how much do you read...?
I remember doing a paper on Planck and I never knew about this picture, I know about the Solvay Congress, but I have no friggin clue this picture existed. I'd give you an A+ for being cool with knowledge, you're like a living Wikipedia


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