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Invisiblethedudenj
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red caapi
    #5008099 - 12/02/05 07:41 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

im wondering if anyone else has tried red caapi ever time i have used it in ayahausca even if its mixed with yellow the psychedlic thought is cancealed out and its visual and bodialy and i could feel everythings that is livings energy so i understand why it would be used to guide some one on trip with yellow vine cause no change in thought and feeling their energy and stuff well whats any one elses veiw on the matter or experiances rather :eek:


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Re: red caapi [Re: thedudenj]
    #5008130 - 12/02/05 07:54 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not sure which color I have tried, but 30 grams was wayyyy too much, here's a classification of different types.


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Re: red caapi [Re: schmutzen]
    #5008522 - 12/02/05 10:05 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Wow, I've heard people say 30 is not nearly enough... and that it takes 50 or even more.


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Re: red caapi [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5008827 - 12/03/05 12:05 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for that link - I'm just starting to experiment with the vine after using anahuascas.
I've heard 30 g. of vine was right combined with 30 g. psychotria so I was going to start with 30 g. vine solo. Unwise?


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Re: red caapi [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5008837 - 12/03/05 12:08 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Wow, I've heard people say 30 is not nearly enough... and that it takes 50 or even more.




Wait, I think it was 70 (curses) sorry, I take terrible notes. Never been that sick before though; the TR is in my journal.


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Re: red caapi [Re: Phaedrus]
    #5008856 - 12/03/05 12:14 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Thanks for that link - I'm just starting to experiment with the vine after using anahuascas.
I've heard 30 g. of vine was right combined with 30 g. psychotria so I was going to start with 30 g. vine solo. Unwise?




No problem, if it was me (and I was being responsible) I would take 10 grams of vine alone, just to check the reaction. If 30 grams ends up being wayyyy too much and you manage to get your tryptamine down, then get super sick - you may be reluctant to try again.

Another suggestion I have is to let the brew sit in your fridge overnight, then strain with a funnel and cotton ball. I have not tried this method but many people say it will reduce or eliminate your nausia.


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Re: red caapi [Re: schmutzen]
    #5008901 - 12/03/05 12:28 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

30 grams of viridis is easily enough for a first try, It can be way too much though for many people though. If you thoroughly inhibit the right enzymes with rue, its more easy to work with. Ive had caapi many times and it varies alot. After a few times, I never messed with that kind of a mass of plant bulk ever again. Rue works just as well.
More plant=more unwanted substances even unwanted harmaline-like substances. Id rather not do that unless I found the big fat vine in the wild myself. Caapi leaves room for great errors while dosing. Rue is very pointed.


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Re: red caapi [Re: stemmer]
    #5008937 - 12/03/05 12:40 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Very true. I have not tried the PV, but I hear it varies a lot as well. I think the only reason for going the traditional route would be for tradition. I'd like to get my paws on some harmaline hcl.


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Re: red caapi [Re: schmutzen]
    #5009022 - 12/03/05 01:10 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

well to be safe i use rue in it too but once i used like 30 of yellow and 114 of red and it cancealed out the pysch effect and was body feeling and could feel souls


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Re: red caapi [Re: thedudenj]
    #5009042 - 12/03/05 01:20 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

btw i already read that guide about the types but i want to konw about red caapi experiances not yellow or any other caapi well maybe black caapi ones so yeah any advice


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Re: red caapi [Re: thedudenj]
    #5009229 - 12/03/05 03:19 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

In the jungles of peru-amazonia, the shamans put the vines in three catagories, Black caapi,"common caapi,(likely a yellow variety though its the only one I have not tried)" and little caapi. Black is the oldest and most potent besides the often identical potency of the "little caapi". Ive only bought The old black, 3 inch thick vines before and they worked more than well for me. red, I can assume is a variation of the ever-so-potent black caapi(as it has dark red tones as well as a few other faint colors.
Environment and level of atrophy have much to do with the potency. SO the comparison means nothing unless you can make the subject an objective one by trying the many (somewhat)greenhouse varieties out there.
The unkept jungle varieties are new to me.
30 grams of potent caapi is more than enough. The jungle provides some unique conditions, the well-kept varieties could also be so very full of atrophy.

This is why I like Rue.


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Re: red caapi [Re: schmutzen]
    #5010778 - 12/03/05 03:05 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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namaste said:
I'd like to get my paws on some harmaline hcl.




Harmine and Harmaline are both available from the same sources as MHRB.


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Re: red caapi [Re: Phaedrus]
    #5010834 - 12/03/05 03:30 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

It's available in a pure form?

I haven't seen it, and it shouldn't be illegal (except Canada and France). I was looking at the 5 Operation Web Tryp sites cached sites on archive.org. One of them sold pure harmaline hcl.

Rue would always be much cheaper though.


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Re: red caapi [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5011311 - 12/03/05 06:15 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

A google search easily reveals a site carrying 99% pure harmine and harmaline.

According to erowid, harmaline is not covered under the analog act.  I'm still trying to talk my friend into going in on an order.

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Rue would always be much cheaper though.




As this point in my life, quality has a much higher priority. Isn't Rue is loaded with tannins and such, I thought those were which caused the nausia.  Still have not figured out the manske tek :confused:


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