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OfflineMyPsyclobinSide
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Found what I believe to be Psilocype Azurescens....problem
    #5003000 - 12/01/05 03:38 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Hey people, haven't posted in a long time but I had a question. I was riding my bike today and came across a few mushrooms coming out of the ground. Both of their stems ran what looked to be sort of deep into the ground. They were both also covered a lot with some kind of dust/ rust stuff. The caps are extremely fragile (although they held up a ride in my pocket back to my house.) The stems are stronger and they still have some moisture inside.

Now comes my problems. First of all, anybody have any idea what this rust stuff is? I tried cleaning it off and got a lot of it off, but there is a ton of the stuff. It is like a powder and clouds up whenever you move the mushroom. I'd like to know if it's something that is dangerous and how can I go about cleaning it off the best way? Sorry I don't have any way of posting a picture for you guys. I live in New Mexico by the way. I tried using the search feature, but all I got were a bunch of threads about rust when growing.

Thanks.


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Re: Found what I believe to be Psilocype Azurescens....problem [Re: MyPsyclobinSide]
    #5003016 - 12/01/05 03:43 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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MyPsyclobinSide said:
I live in New Mexico by the way.




Thats all you needed to say. Not azures. Be more careful with your IDing, it should have been the primary focus of your post.


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Re: Found what I believe to be Psilocype Azurescens....problem [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5003026 - 12/01/05 03:48 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Was I wrong to believe this: http://www.mushroomjohn.com/psilocybeazurescens1.htm

"Comment: This species has been successfully transplanted into other mulched areas with similar environments. Most recently it has been introduced into Leipzig, Germany with much success. Other cosmopolitan outdoor habitats include: Italy, Austria, Switzerland and in the United States: in New Mexico, Ohio, Wisconsin and Vermont. While this is a good mushroom to transplant, after a few years the patch disappears as the nutrients in the soil and woodchips get eaten up."

What does it mean to be transplanted? Am I reading this wrong?

also from: http://www.shroomery.org/index.php/par/12182

"New Mexico
Gymnopilus liquiritae
Gymnopilus luteofolius (Peck) Singer. (Stamets, 1996).
Gymnopilus sapineus
Gymnopilus spectabilis
Panaeolus papilionaceus
Psilocybe azurescens Stamets Gartz. (Stamets, 1996). (Introduced)."


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Edited by MyPsyclobinSide (12/01/05 03:54 PM)


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Re: Found what I believe to be Psilocype Azurescens....problem [Re: MyPsyclobinSide]
    #5003052 - 12/01/05 03:56 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

"This species has been successfully transplanted into other mulched areas with similar environments"

If you found some, you probably found someone's patch. :smile: And a letter of apology is due. Heh...

I think it might be more likely that you found another mushroom that looks more simillar to azures than anything else on the new mexico list, and perhaps it had rust colored spores. What do I know though?


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Re: Found what I believe to be Psilocype Azurescens....problem [Re: MyPsyclobinSide]
    #5003064 - 12/01/05 03:58 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

transplanting means taking the mycelium-laden woodchips from a known or fruiting colony of the azures and moving it elsewhere to grow anew, usually to a spot closer to your home so you can check on it. and usually in a spot that wont be raided by other shroom pickers.

for the case of the new mexico azures, it was most likely a cultivated patch of the azurescens. but in new mexico the patches you cultivate do not become established spots, meaning they wont grow back every year. you would have to re-cultivate the whole process over again the next year.


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Re: Found what I believe to be Psilocype Azurescens....problem [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5003068 - 12/01/05 03:59 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Haha...well you know more then me. I doubt it was somebody's patch because I found them on the side of the road, probably ten feet away from eachother. I'm going to keep trying to ID them for something else, but all replies are still appreciated.


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Re: Found what I believe to be Psilocype Azurescens....problem [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5003073 - 12/01/05 04:00 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

That comment of Azures in New Mexico came from paul Stamets Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World Field Guide.

Friends of paul's have simlpy transplanted muclh from one region of the world to another. The shrooms grow for a year or two and then do not return. As for spores floating to other nearbye regions. Gartz has transplanted dozens of such patches and he never saw any in 0ther areas other then those he planted and when they were gone he made new ones elsewhere.

There are also reports in new yor, ohio, michigan, etc, etialy, nederlands, etc.

The chances of you finding someones patch is millions to one. First off I am sure those planting such gardens would do so intheir own back yards or in uninhabited woody areas where no one walks.

mj


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Re: Found what I believe to be Psilocype Azurescens....problem [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5003118 - 12/01/05 04:13 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

OK thank you!

These caps are extremely brittle, but I am going to try and make a spore print.

Also, anybody have any idea if this rust stuff is dangerous or what it might be?


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Re: Found what I believe to be Psilocype Azurescens....problem [Re: MyPsyclobinSide]
    #5003148 - 12/01/05 04:21 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

it's anthrax


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Re: Found what I believe to be Psilocype Azurescens....problem [Re: shroomanic]
    #5004285 - 12/01/05 08:47 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

>These caps are extremely brittle,

Psilocye azurescens has a firm cap and stem.


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Re: Found what I believe to be Psilocype Azurescens....problem [Re: MyPsyclobinSide]
    #5006501 - 12/02/05 12:38 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

From your description you can rest 100% assured that it is NOT an azurescen. In fact it sounds like it hast rusty colored spores. For those without serious mycological training, it is best to stay away from mushrooms with rusty colored spores. The deadly galerinas have rusty colored spores.


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Re: Found what I believe to be Psilocype Azurescens....problem [Re: Gopal]
    #5006923 - 12/02/05 02:31 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Gopal, I love the blue outline that shows in a picture of an azure, like in your avatar. It's sad to see those guys dry...


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Re: Found what I believe to be Psilocype Azurescens....problem [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5007636 - 12/02/05 05:30 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Hi MJ,
Say someone started a patch in Georgia and cared for it year after year. Would that consistant care allow it to continue as long as new wood chips are added or would the warmer climate do it in?


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