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home made filter patch bags
    #5007103 - 12/02/05 03:17 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

ok so swim is going to try bulk spawn w/ grain in oven bags with his nice new roaster oven, was thinking of tryn to make a filter patch with may 5 or 10 coffe filters cut may 2 inchs in dia. and tape over a pre cut whole in the bag sounds good to me what yall think any better ideas or should he just stick to the plain bag?


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Re: home made filter patch bags [Re: zenman223]
    #5007161 - 12/02/05 03:31 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

is this a stupid question or what is everybody afraid to comment on this b/c they dont know, i was just wondering what people thought of this idea. i found one other similar post involving some half pint jars cut in half with masonry tools or some crap but thats all ive seen on home made patch bags. come yall let me know somthing


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Re: home made filter patch bags [Re: zenman223]
    #5007466 - 12/02/05 04:41 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

coffee filters wont do. use tyvek. some make rigid ends with bottle tops and screw caps and stuff with polyfil.


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Re: home made filter patch bags [Re: zenman223]
    #5007532 - 12/02/05 04:56 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Coffee filters (even stacked on 10 deep) will not cut the mustard. :thumbdown:

They are simply to porous & flimsy.
Not to mention, will wick moisture.


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Re: home made filter patch bags [Re: agar]
    #5007543 - 12/02/05 05:02 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

i was thinking about the moisture thing but i figure ten deep , in small 2 inch rounds would be sturdy enough and enough to keep out contams, dont have tyvek ive heard where to get it from post office etc, i knew that would come up when i posted, thanks for at least replying any more 2 cents would be good to.


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Re: home made filter patch bags [Re: zenman223]
    #5007578 - 12/02/05 05:14 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I seem to remember some posts where someone used a blob of that blue goo gasket shit from auto supply stores. I've never used it myself but it seems plausible. Sort of a self healing, autoclavable, silicone injection site I guess.


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Re: home made filter patch bags [Re: Mobius_Strip]
    #5007718 - 12/02/05 05:47 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)



If you can rig some sort of bag neck, then use tyvek as a filter it will work.

Don't ask. the ones above are not commercially available.

I hear, some types of sport/health drink bottle necks & caps are PP5 & cut to shape, will work.
I never tried them, though.


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Re: home made filter patch bags [Re: agar]
    #5008443 - 12/02/05 09:30 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

looks pretty cool, got me thinking, pvc (threaded) end pieces or maybe an elbow joint in the end of the bag. I still think 10 coffee filters on the end of a small piece of pvc in the end of the bag sealed well, will work,well. i like the idea of a filter in the opening of the bag, swim already got a bag of bout 5-6 pints of mylo in a single bag roasting now. so swim will probably if nessicary use the airport tek for air exchange. any comments/ tips would be appreiciated. swim would like to start a log but dont have a camera.


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Re: home made filter patch bags [Re: zenman223]
    #5008686 - 12/02/05 11:14 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

PVC will warp, sag & partially melt after a few minutes of PC time at 15+ psi.

Radiator hose won't.


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Re: home made filter patch bags [Re: agar]
    #5009409 - 12/03/05 05:18 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I do something similar like agar does.I use polyfill in the rings and for 1 liter grain I use 30 cc LC.But I generally failed with the larger volumes biger than 1 liter.I PC them 2 full hours but maybe its not enough.
I also think that coffee filter is not enough to filter the spores of unwanted organisms.
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Re: home made filter patch bags [Re: psycat78]
    #5009435 - 12/03/05 05:38 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Unas DIY spawnbag tek

Just follow Unas DIY bag tek, except replace the water and RGS with prepared grain. I personally like to add a layer of damp vermiculite at the bottom of the bag before filling it with grain, to act as a temperature buffer so that the bottom grains don't pop or overcook.


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Re: home made filter patch bags [Re: HyphalTryptamin]
    #5011526 - 12/03/05 07:16 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

hyphal, thanks that looked good to me so swim decided to do do his own variable on this tek, he used a burger king star wars watch tin, cut out the bottom, stuffed w/ poly put the lid on the tin, poked holes in it and covered the holes with 3m brand transpore tape. it looks really cool and i beleive it will work great. i think this is the way to go, just bypass the jars alltogether. btw swim is using a roaster oven with water in the bottom so hes not pcing but i still think this much better than pcing jars.


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Re: home made filter patch bags [Re: zenman223]
    #5013147 - 12/04/05 09:00 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Woah, Swim is using an oven to sterilise grains? I'm not sure that that would be a good idea considering you're using dry heat here, you could just rape the substrate of all it's moisture. I know you can use your oven to pasteurise manure but I don't think It'd work for grain.  But yes the bag system you've described sounds feasible :-) Goodluck :thumbup: :smile:


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Re: home made filter patch bags [Re: HyphalTryptamin]
    #5015526 - 12/04/05 09:06 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

well its a roaster oven but the grains in a oven bag looks fine now as long as the moisture dosnt leach out through the polyfill, its already cooked and looks great so hopefully itll be good.


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Re: home made filter patch bags [Re: zenman223]
    #5017667 - 12/05/05 12:27 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Good stuff, wish you all the best luck in it too :thumbup:


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Re: home made filter patch bags [Re: agar]
    #5026128 - 12/06/05 10:00 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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If you can rig some sort of bag neck, then use tyvek as a filter it will work.

Don't ask. the ones above are not commercially available.

I hear, some types of sport/health drink bottle necks & caps are PP5 & cut to shape, will work.
I never tried them, though.




You can use 1 1/2" PVC pipe to make a bag neck as well as number 5 plastic. It will withstand the temps at 15psi.

You can also make a filter plug to go into the neck by putting cotton batting in some doubled up cheesecloth and sowing up the cheesecloth.







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Re: home made filter patch bags [Re: falcon]
    #5027981 - 12/07/05 10:29 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

^ Exactly what I do, except using cotton isn't a good idea because it is natural and harbours mositure and can therefore introduce contaminants. Its best to go with a synthetic material like tyvek, preferably polyfill for the tube here :thumbup:


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Re: home made filter patch bags [Re: HyphalTryptamin]
    #5028751 - 12/07/05 02:11 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

thanks for the info falcon, i believe Ive got the rig figured out but i still haven't exactly figured out the best bake to do it in a roaster oven, i tried on bag of strait Milo soaked for 24 hours and cooked for bout 3 hours at about 275-300, it seems to be a little 2 dry not completely but too dry for germination not sure as its only been 3 days since inoc. but i think its to dry, so this time Ive simmered some wbs for bout 10-15 mins. drained, rinsed, will let sit overnight and add some wet verm. as a buffer hopefully this will work better. any ideas on the best way to cook grain in my roaster ie. time, temp. etc. i believe this will work once i figure out the best method. plz dont say p.c. it cuz i have a 6QT but its to small so im tryn to perfect this method of roasting my grains. this will work want it? any ideas would be appreciated, thanks.


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Re: home made filter patch bags [Re: HyphalTryptamin]
    #5040161 - 12/09/05 03:53 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, if you use cotton plugs you have to make sure they stay dry or they will turn into microbe food. I gumband a small paper bag over the plugs when I
sterlize them, it keeps water from dripping directly on them.

I tried polyfill and the plugs don't hold their shape as well as the cotton.
I may try it again using finer polyfill, the kind they use in fish filters and some kind of synthetic fabric that will withstand the heat to stuff the polyfiil in.

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Re: home made filter patch bags [Re: falcon]
    #5043183 - 12/10/05 08:11 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

cotton is bad, polyfil is good, both have to be kept dry.
I've never had a problem with polyfil and sterilizing

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