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#500476 - 12/24/01 11:24 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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In a room there are three gods.
The god of Truth.
The god of False.
The god of Random.
You may ask any god one question. The god of Truth always tells the truth,
the god is False always tells a lie, and the god of Random gives you a
random answer. You receive only one answer from one god.
Each god responds with either "jeh or neh"
You do not know which god is which, and you do not know if "jeh" means
yes or no, nor if "neh" means yes or no.
Asking only one question, figure out which god is which and what response
means yes/no.
Leave some riddles if they meet the ninja standard of raping your mind of every last bit of sanity. And see if you can answer this :>
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#500546 - 12/25/01 01:21 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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God damn it boy, you make no sense. Do you even know the answer to this madness?
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Thats fucking badass, I dont care if theres an answer at all, I wrote it down.
Things like that make me giggle like a mad man for some odd reason!
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 Re: Puzzle [Re: tak]
#500620 - 12/25/01 06:57 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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whats the answer?
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Re: Puzzle [Re: tak]
#500662 - 12/25/01 08:55 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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no gods, only people telepatthetlicaly transmitting feelings.
Excect interwoven into your though as spirit
"And spirt walks"
Some people know, some people don't and don't want to know
and then the middle listening to either one.
Which one is evil
and who cares who says it
there is no yes and no in other languages
The smartest person could not be american.
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#500811 - 12/25/01 12:50 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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ok i am in a way lost on the whoe subject but at the same time it is also very very AWSOME!
It would be a vry weird yet exciting thing to encounter! all i have to say is VERY FREAKING COOL!
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Re: Puzzle [Re: FoxGurl]
#500932 - 12/25/01 04:12 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ill let you guys in on something. It may or may not be in the right direction, but it will also keep the puzzle going. If You ask a lying man if he the answer to this question is true. He answers yes, it is not a lie. He answers no and its the truth, so hes stuck. Dont read the ask if the answer is true part... just the scenerioed answer. You can infact catch him in a bind. The rest is up to you.
Another hint. If you ask the Truthful God if a LIAR is in the room, he will answe yes. You know thte answer is yes. You ask the LIAR, and the answer will be no, because he is forced to lie. [You dont know what is yes, and what is no though]
The tricky part is you only got 3 questions, and you need to figure out the random ;p :> good luck
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Re: Puzzle [Re: tak]
#500935 - 12/25/01 04:14 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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When i say 3 i mean 1 question, 3 replies. You can also ask 3 seperate questions if you want. It makes not a diffrence.
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Re: Puzzle [Re: tak]
#500971 - 12/25/01 05:17 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is it something like
"Will you be lying if you answer Jeh to this question?"
I'm too tired to figure it out..........yeah, that's the reason..
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#532621 - 01/27/02 01:38 AM (23 years, 4 days ago) |
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I made myself tired thinking about this.
For any question you are guaranteed either 2 jehs and a neh or 2 nehs and a jeh. The god that provides the unique response will be either the true or false god, and nothing past that can be established. If there IS a solution, for gods sake post it so I can sleep.
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ask them if they are a god the god of false will lie and say no
Edited by missulena (01/27/02 02:16 AM)
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if you ask the god of false if he is a god and he says no than no no means no if he says yes yes means no ask the question afew times to get rid of the random god
Edited by missulena (01/27/02 02:39 AM)
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Am i close?
is the question ask them if they are a god and work it out from there?
Edited by missulena (01/27/02 02:45 AM)
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missulena, you can only ask one question.
Root ninja tak - if there is not an answer you are in trouble my friend he he he he he .
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#533070 - 01/27/02 02:31 PM (23 years, 4 days ago) |
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I think there is no solution
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Re: Puzzle [Re: anfibio]
#533078 - 01/27/02 02:40 PM (23 years, 4 days ago) |
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miss: you are missing hte point. You dont know what is yes, and what is no.
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Re: Puzzle [Re: tak]
#533287 - 01/27/02 07:16 PM (23 years, 4 days ago) |
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Could it be?:
WHO ARE YOU?:
God of the Truth: I am the God of the Truth
God of the False: I am not the God of the False
God of the Random:I am/ I am not the God of the Random
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Re: Puzzle [Re: anfibio]
#533294 - 01/27/02 07:22 PM (23 years, 4 days ago) |
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They only answer with Neh and Jeh.
Ninja, I hope this isnt one of those stupid riddles with the stupid answer that pisses everyone off when its found out. Like this one: There was a man born in 1955 and living now at the age of 33. How is this possible? The room in the Hospital was #1955. If its an answer like that you might as well just tell us now because I hate questions like that  lol
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Re: Puzzle [Re: tak]
#534558 - 01/29/02 12:03 AM (23 years, 2 days ago) |
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Answer please
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Edited by root-ninja-tak (08/05/03 06:22 PM)
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Re: Puzzle [Re: tak]
#1782792 - 08/05/03 06:22 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Its been a year and a half, still no answer?
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Re: Puzzle [Re: tak]
#1783188 - 08/05/03 09:11 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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again...whats the answer?
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How would the Truth God react to the question: "If jeh is yes, is my name david scape?"
Would he be forced to answer yes or no? 
Edited by David_Scape (08/06/03 12:05 AM)
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figure out which algorythm the Random God runs off of and perform an emulation:)
the other two are easy to figure out
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#1783828 - 08/06/03 12:28 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's a mental masturbation right there. I have no clue.
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Re: Puzzle [Re: tak]
#1783927 - 08/06/03 01:10 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm confused because in your first post you make is sound as if you can only ask one god one question and get one reply. But then later you make it sound as if you can ask each god a different question and get a reply from each of them. Which is it?
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Re: Puzzle [Re: tak]
#1783938 - 08/06/03 01:15 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd ask any of them "Does your mother know you fuck barn-animals?" and leave the room, wondering what the fuck I was doing in there, and who the fuck those guys were, and holy shit what TOWN is this?!
edit: you didn't mention at the beginning that we were supposed to find out which one was the random one.... you just placed us in that situation with no goal lol Hence the above - I didn't notice until later..
lets see..
dude I can't even figure out how to solve this even though I already know that jeh is yes and neh is no.
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Or can you ask all of the gods only one question (meaning you must ask the same question of each god) and get each of their replies to that same question?
EDIT:
If this is the case, then ask:
"If I asked you if neh meant yes, would you say neh?"
If neh means yes:
God of Truth = neh
God of False = neh
God of Random = neh or jeh
If neh means no:
God of Truth = jeh
God of False = jeh
God of Random = jeh or neh
You see, either way the God of False is forced to give the same answer as the God of Truth. And the way the question is worded means that if there are at least two neh's, then neh means yes and if there are at least two jeh's, then neh means no.
Does that solve the riddle, or no?
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I got a similar solution from the question "Are you the Truth God?"
It will cause the affirmative answer to be repeated 2 or 3 times.
I don't think it's possible to identify all three Gods using only one question. Here is why. There are six possible permutations of the Gods' answers:
{Truth God, False God, Random God}
{Truth God, Random God, False God}
{False God, Random God, Truth God}
{False God, Truth God, Random God}
{Random God, Truth God, False God}
{Random God, False God, Truth God}
For each of these, there must be one or more possible sets of answers. Each such answer set must occur only once in order to uniquely identify all three Gods. And since Random God may answer either jeh or neh to any question, there must actually be two unique answer sets for each permutation. That's a total of twelve. But there are only eight jeh/neh combinations to choose from, so all twelve can't be unique. At least one answer set must be repeated, so there will always be cases where some God can't be identified.
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Steve that's way better than anything I was coming up with but it still doesn't point out which "God" is the "God of Random," which I believe is the goal of this riddle..
The "God of Random" could answer the same as the other two, and then you'd still have no idea who was who.. hehe ARGH this is nuts!
My answer is that this riddle is not possible with the given information and restrictions.
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Like ninja, I love puzzles. Have you heard of the "3 hats" puzzle?
The 3 gods puzzle is solveable, imo. I like the approach Steve and Riz have taken, and I got to add that I have a feeling the "god of random" is a decoy. Focus on finding the GoT and the GoF and the odd man out is the GoR.
I'm thinking about asking a question like "if she is GoF, then ... "
And as Ninja pointed out, there are situations in which the GoF will freeze, because of paradox. The ideal question will force the paradox.
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part solution, still thinking. [Re: bom]
#1785697 - 08/06/03 04:05 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here's a question that will always elicit the SAME response from both GoT and GoF.
(Point at a god, any god and say)
*If I were to ask you if this is the GoT, would you reply in the affirmative?*
(leaving aside GoR for the moment ...)
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Re: Puzzle [Re: tak]
#1785725 - 08/06/03 04:14 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is it possible for a god to be unable to reply to your question?
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#1785921 - 08/06/03 05:27 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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"In a room there are three gods.
The god of Truth.
The god of False.
The god of Random.
You may ask any god one question. The god of Truth always tells the truth,
the god is False always tells a lie, and the god of Random gives you a
random answer. You receive only one answer from one god.
Each god responds with either "jeh or neh"
You do not know which god is which, and you do not know if "jeh" means
yes or no, nor if "neh" means yes or no.
Asking only one question, figure out which god is which and what response
means yes/no. "
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Based upon the stage you have set, this is what I would do.
Please note: I am identifying the god of False as the god of Lies..
I'd enter the room very aware of the three gods' presence: knowing fully well that of the three one of them is that of Truth, Lies and Randomness.
I've realized that I CANNOT understand their language.. 
So, I would ask, no... not ask, rather, state the following to all three:
" If you three are all gods, one of Truth, Lies and Randomness, then please, Identify YourSelves with a singular episode of Lightning and Thunder !!!"
The god of truth would make it happen as asked... the response was, then: "jeh"; the god of lies would seemingly agree but nothing would happen... the answer, therefore would be: "neh"; and the god of randomness would make a random PATTERN of a beutifully orchastrated display of Thunder & Lightning... Odds are, 1 or 0 is not random enough...
 I would then thank them for interacting with me, and I would leave.
Tak co je ?
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Re: Puzzle [Re: bom]
#1787078 - 08/06/03 11:52 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
And as Ninja pointed out, there are situations in which the GoF will freeze, because of paradox. The ideal question will force the paradox.
It's easy to make the Truth God freeze also. Just ask "Is the Random God's answer the same as the Truth God's?"
If the Random God's answer is negative, the Truth God will freeze. But even if we extend the possible answers to jeh/neh/freeze, I still don't see how there can be enough information to identify all 3 gods and the meaning of jeh/neh.
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Re: Puzzle [Re: Rhizoid]
#1787584 - 08/07/03 06:23 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think we have a wind up on our hands here! What say you Ninja boy?
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Re: Puzzle [Re: GazzBut]
#1790530 - 08/07/03 10:31 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I do not have an answer! The mushrooms asked me, and when I replied that I did not know, the mushrooms told me to ask my spiritual and philisophical friends. I have faith in there being an answer, I've been searching for 2 years though. It sucks!
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#1790624 - 08/07/03 11:00 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Puzzle [Re: tak]
#1790840 - 08/08/03 01:05 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree with the others who have already said that there isn't any way to answer this. Too many variables.
Maybe there is meaning in the inability to answer this.
Not everything has answer?
Randomness, or chaos, has as much bearing as truth?
Or maybe, they were just fucking with your head. 
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Re: Puzzle [Re: tak]
#1790865 - 08/08/03 01:18 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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man if somebody asked me that when I was tripping i would go insane trying to figure it out
Even asking me when im sober drives me insane tryig to figure it out
I like riddles...but i like the ones with answers more
There are too many unanswerable riddles in life as it is
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I think this is my favorite thread ever.
I love you, root-ninja-tak.
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Re: Puzzle [Re: tak]
#1790957 - 08/08/03 02:14 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I guess the mushrooms like to show they have a sense of humour!
Perhaps it shows the questions dont matter because they are all gods anyway, as are we, and the random element means we can only know so much and to try and categorise everything is in the end futile and also hurts your head?? oh jeh, god knows neh?
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Re: Puzzle [Re: GazzBut]
#1790980 - 08/08/03 02:30 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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omg! it gets better and better!
it's better than orgasm!
i love you all!
aaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaa
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Quote:
Maybe there is meaning in the inability to answer this.
Not everything has answer?
Randomness, or chaos, has as much bearing as truth?
Or maybe, they were just fucking with your head.
OK, here is my analysis:
You need at least one jeh or neh from either the Truth or False Gods, because if both give the "freeze" reply you can't know which is which. And for any such jeh or neh reply, the Random God might always respond with a duplicate of that reply, so even if you could identify the third God it isn't possible to distinguish between the Random God and another God that gave exactly the same reply.
So it's impossible to identify the Random God this way. You need to repeat the question several times in order to identify him. The Random God might repeat the first answer, but not indefinitely, because then it wouldn't really be random. So changing his reply is the only thing that can distinguish him from the others.
In fact, for a sample size of one question and answer, "Random God" means exactly the same as "Clone of the Truth God or False God, but we don't know which".
If the question is repeated, and if the question doesn't refer to any of the gods themselves, then one can ask a question where the answer is known (like "is 2+2=4?") and discover the Truth God/False God and jeh/neh correlations. Then it's a free choice to define jeh as "yes" and neh as "no" or the other way around. Now the God who answers "yes" to "2+2=4?" is for all practical purposes the Truth God, and the one who answers "no" is in the same way the False God.
Maybe the point of the puzzle is that truth is a correlation rather than an identity, and that repetition is needed to distinguish random from unknown pattern.
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Quote:
RebelSteve33 said:
omg! it gets better and better!
it's better than orgasm!
i love you all!
aaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaa
You are awsome RebelSteve, I love your energy
I kinda agree that maybe the question is not to be answered, it just is.
I also have this picture in my head of me asking for the answer when I feel its time, and when I am showed I will respond "Thats impossible" and thats when the three gods will  wink at me and ill say ohh wow... then forget it all in the morning and live a peaceful happy life
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Re: Puzzle [Re: Rhizoid]
#1791947 - 08/08/03 11:37 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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can you not find the rnadom God by asking some insane question that can't be answered with yes or no.
example - what did you have for breakfast today?
would the random God, just say yes or no to that. where as the god of truth and god of false would freeze or what not
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get it all together get like birds of a feather
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Yes, but (as I said) then you can't distinguish the Truth and False gods from each other, because they both froze. The remaining part of my argument assumes that at least one of the Truth and False gods didn't freeze.
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