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What if depression is healthy?
    #4999858 - 11/30/05 06:42 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

What if depression is your spiritual/emotional self telling you that you are not living an authentic life. That you need to change things but you are unwilling to take that risk or even face some things that terrify you or are painful. What if the chemical imbalances are caused by this and not the other way around.

What are you going to do then?


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: Icelander]
    #4999872 - 11/30/05 06:45 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Well I know when I go through it, I cry about it awhile, realize that I'm depressed because Im afraid and unwilling to move forward and usually allow myself to be swallowed up whole by the emotion for fear or lack of knowledge in how to change it.

Ive actually started moving forward as of late, and the depression that has been so deeply etched into my life has become much more manageable and is dissapating.

Now that I'm not in such a disagreeabl state of mind, I would have to agree with your assessment


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: peepeepottypants]
    #4999923 - 11/30/05 06:58 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Wow....im amazed.
Finally someone besides myself has entertained the idea that WE CAUSE OUR OWN DEPRESSION.


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4999940 - 11/30/05 07:01 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I lived with low grade depression for most of my life. Now that I have found the strength and techniques for challenging my fears and facing my true self with acceptance and love as I am (very imperfect). My depression has greatly lifted and is visiting less and less and for shorter periods. :thumbup:


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: Icelander]
    #4999954 - 11/30/05 07:05 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

It's just extremely difficult to admit it to yourself when your in it. You want to believe so badly that you're helpless to the situations of the world, that it can be very convincing.

THe trick is how do you convince someone that doesn't want to believe that their stubborness is only perpetuating their situation. And even once they've realized this (which in my case only plunged me deeper) how do you convince them that they DO have the strength to face it?


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: Icelander]
    #4999969 - 11/30/05 07:10 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I truly hope one day that you (icelander) and all the others on this forum can personally confront their depression and take responsibility for it.
It isnt a guest that stops by for a few days. It isnt extrinsic. I truly believe that once you stop looking at it as if it is a genetic flaw or something outside of you, you can start to be happy.


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4999978 - 11/30/05 07:13 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

yes :thumbup:


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: peepeepottypants]
    #5000054 - 11/30/05 07:28 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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peepeepottypants said:

THe trick is how do you convince someone that doesn't want to believe that their stubborness is only perpetuating their situation. And even once they've realized this (which in my case only plunged me deeper) how do you convince them that they DO have the strength to face it?




That is about the most ON POINT statement I have heard concerning this.


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: Icelander]
    #5000153 - 11/30/05 07:51 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I think it really is dependent on the person. I believe most people on anti-depressants don't need them, but I do believe that some of them do have something wrong with their brain chemistry which isn't simply the result of their lifestyle choices.


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5000275 - 11/30/05 08:26 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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psilocyberin said:
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peepeepottypants said:

THe trick is how do you convince someone that doesn't want to believe that their stubborness is only perpetuating their situation. And even once they've realized this (which in my case only plunged me deeper) how do you convince them that they DO have the strength to face it?




That is about the most ON POINT statement I have heard concerning this.




Which is pretty funny because if you look many posts back you'll see I was spouting off the same lines on the other end of it.

I found association and removing the feeling of isolation that depression creates, allowed me to realize that yes, people do get out of it, and yes I can too...I just need to know I can. NIN actually helped me a lot because so much of their music is so poignant about the emotions depression has itself. It gave me the means to manifest my sad inward hurtful feelings into a more angry and outward way, which was a good step, because it shifted me from a state of inaction to action, which eventually helped me to realize that I am capable of moving, so I must be capable of moving forward.


and paridigm...I do agree with you as well


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: peepeepottypants]
    #5001229 - 12/01/05 01:32 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

if you think your life sucks it will suck indeed - rkl

I agree with everyone here, although im doing well nearly 2 years out of my teenage depression at times i find myself manic..


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: headset]
    #5001350 - 12/01/05 03:37 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I really like what C.G. Jung has to say about this topic.

Jung says life moves forward until we meet an
obstacle we cannot handle with our established conscious attitude.
Depression is the natural process of psychic energy draining away
from conscious life into the unconscious, producing a "standstill"
that persists until the regressed energy re-emerges as a symbolic
and irrational solution to the problem. When we resist the
regression, the depression persists. Only conscious "cooperation"
with this painful process enables the unconscious psyche to
produce a solution that "transcends" the conscious conflict. Jung
calls this unconscious principle of novelty the "transcendent
function."


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: Icelander]
    #5001368 - 12/01/05 04:15 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I agree. I used to have rather severe clinical depression, but now thanks to MDMA and other substances and some psychotherapy, I'm doing much better.

I now believe that while genetics and brain chemistry might predispose someone slightly to depression, the actual depression itself is under your control. There are so many techniques and lifestyle changes that can be made to lift a depression. Or perhaps depression is based in some psychological problem that is unresolvable (or so we think).

Anyways, I don't much care for the anti-depressants. It's just a means for the pharmaceutical companies to make loads of cash. I mean, which would bring in more money, a medication that people have to rely on every day in order to have some sense of 'happiness', or a medication that people take once or twice under supervised and controlled settings and realize that all their problems are self created and the only thing separating them from true happiness is themselves? Clearly the anti-depressants will make them more money.


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: dblaney]
    #5001462 - 12/01/05 06:53 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I always find it interesting that people on this website clearly recognize the effects that chemicals have upon the psyche and mind.

A simple chemical, psilocybin can induce one to "find god", "become one with the universe", lead to "spiritual enlightenment" etc. etc. Furthermore different chemicals have very different effects: compare MDMA, to LSD to PCP; they are all VERY Different.

Thus, we come to the very clear conclusion that chemicals effect the way we think. We aren't talking about "simple" thought patterns either. These drugs don't do simple things, rather I'm of the opinion that the subjective effects are quite complex ("spiritual enlightenment" for example).

Yet as soon as someone thinks a biochemical process could cause depression, they refuse to believe it. While they firmly believe a chemical will help them reach god (mushrooms), they refuse to believe a chemical/drug could relieve depression (SSRI's for example).

It all sounds a tad hypocritical to me.


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: badchad]
    #5001525 - 12/01/05 07:38 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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I always find it interesting that people on this website clearly recognize the effects that chemicals have upon the psyche and mind. 

A simple chemical, psilocybin can induce one to "find god", "become one with the universe", lead to "spiritual enlightenment" etc. etc.  Furthermore different chemicals have very different effects: compare MDMA, to LSD to PCP; they are all VERY Different.

Thus, we come to the very clear conclusion that chemicals effect the way we think.  We aren't talking about "simple" thought patterns either.  These drugs don't do simple things, rather I'm of the opinion that the subjective effects are quite complex ("spiritual enlightenment" for example).

Yet as soon as someone thinks a biochemical process could cause depression, they refuse to believe it.  While they firmly believe a chemical will help them reach god (mushrooms), they refuse to believe a chemical/drug could relieve depression (SSRI's for example). 

It all sounds a tad hypocritical to me.




Well said  :thumbup:

Although, there's just something about the feeling of taking a chemical(example being psylocybin) which has evolved and molded with human beings for thousands and thousands of years, over a chemical that was made in a labratory by people caught up in their money making lives.

I think we can establish that some chemicals run a somewhat "safe" course through our bodies/brains while others do not.  It is VERY different from person to person. 

Chemicals of all kinds have been in the human "diet" since the beginning.  I think SOME people may need a particular chemical to stabilize/fix/rearrange/etc brain chemistry, but I personally believe these people should at least be using chemicals which have been, as Terrence would say, sactioned by human usage...pharmecutical  SSRI's not having any validity in my opinion.


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5001568 - 12/01/05 08:06 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
I think it really is dependent on the person. I believe most people on anti-depressants don't need them, but I do believe that some of them do have something wrong with their brain chemistry which isn't simply the result of their lifestyle choices.




Often it wasn't a "lifestyle" choice but the tramatic or neglectful events of childhood. The brain chemistry would be effected and reflect these events, not likely the other way around, although in very rare cases this could be true.


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: badchad]
    #5001588 - 12/01/05 08:14 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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badchad said:
I always find it interesting that people on this website clearly recognize the effects that chemicals have upon the psyche and mind.

A simple chemical, psilocybin can induce one to "find god", "become one with the universe", lead to "spiritual enlightenment" etc. etc. Furthermore different chemicals have very different effects: compare MDMA, to LSD to PCP; they are all VERY Different.

Thus, we come to the very clear conclusion that chemicals effect the way we think. We aren't talking about "simple" thought patterns either. These drugs don't do simple things, rather I'm of the opinion that the subjective effects are quite complex ("spiritual enlightenment" for example).

Yet as soon as someone thinks a biochemical process could cause depression, they refuse to believe it. While they firmly believe a chemical will help them reach god (mushrooms), they refuse to believe a chemical/drug could relieve depression (SSRI's for example).

It all sounds a tad hypocritical to me.




There's drugs and then there's drugs. Some cause damage and some seem not to. Having worked in the health industry for many years, I have seen and heard often of the results of use of pharmaceuticals for depression etc. Not a very good track record IMO.(just maybe because these drugs are covering up symptoms that need to be uncovered, So maybe we need to look elsewhere. Not many doctors will even consider an emotional component to depression. They don't take a personal history of personal events that may be the cause of honest depression. Where's the balance in that?


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: compman]
    #5001592 - 12/01/05 08:20 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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compman said:
I really like what C.G. Jung has to say about this topic.

Jung says life moves forward until we meet an
obstacle we cannot handle with our established conscious attitude.
Depression is the natural process of psychic energy draining away
from conscious life into the unconscious, producing a "standstill"
that persists until the regressed energy re-emerges as a symbolic
and irrational solution to the problem. When we resist the
regression, the depression persists. Only conscious "cooperation"
with this painful process enables the unconscious psyche to
produce a solution that "transcends" the conscious conflict. Jung
calls this unconscious principle of novelty the "transcendent
function."




Yes, In most cases I believe this to be true. R.D. Laing, I believe it was said something like. Insanity is a sane reaction to an insane world. I believe this is true for depression. It's a sane and healthy reaction. But to get out of it into true healing you need to be willing to explore the cause of depression, and not just try and make it go away.


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: Icelander]
    #5001700 - 12/01/05 09:21 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I believe that depression is a symptom of modern life. I don't think many would disagree with me that technology is killing us, the food isn't even food anymore, read the labels on some of this crap. I used to get really depressed and then I changed my diet to all natural foods, I hunt my meat, buy only organic, etc...

I try to get into the land as much as I can, moved out to the country for that very reason...(who wouldn't rather see trees then billboards?)...and after all of these changes, poof! Depression gone.

A deep spiritual connection also helps with this, if you can truly believe that God WANTS you to be depressed, then it is easier to deal with. Instead of popping pills simply ask yourself..."what is God trying to tell me here"?


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: Prajna]
    #5001739 - 12/01/05 09:34 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I believe there is a diagnosis for depression caused by a lack of nature....something like nature deficit disorder....

I dunno, someone chime in, cuz I saw it in this forum before, then I saw a book on it in barnes and nobles


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: peepeepottypants]
    #5001855 - 12/01/05 10:13 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I love what Thomas Moore says about depression.  He calls it "saturnalia," and likens it to an emotional winter.  Just as winter allows the process of biological growth to take a break, to lie fallow and soak up the rain, depression allows the process of emotional growth to take a break.

The physical symptoms of depression, increased need for sleep, apathy, etc...keep us in one place, force us to cease our endless busy-ness, and unplug us from our daily routines.  We long to curl up in a warm, womb-like place & sleep the winter away.

While we sleep, perhaps our energy gathers for springtime growth.  If we can refrain from interfering, we may find that healing has taken place during our emotional winter.

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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: Veritas]
    #5001939 - 12/01/05 10:45 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

It's human nature to be unhappy, it gives makes us insecure or vulnerable and forces us to seek someone to fill the gap so we can reproduce ourselves.


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: Foley]
    #5001956 - 12/01/05 10:48 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Is that human nature though? I have a feeling the first humans on this earth did not feel the need to fill their emotional gap


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: Foley]
    #5001967 - 12/01/05 10:50 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Foley said:
It's human nature to be unhappy, it gives makes us insecure or vulnerable and forces us to seek someone to fill the gap so we can reproduce ourselves.




Is this why all mammals breed? I doubt it.


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: Veritas]
    #5001979 - 12/01/05 10:54 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

i think depression reflects an emptiness inside. it's a lack of power, a feeling of helplessness, or a lack of faith in your own life and what you're doing.

for me personally i know there is something about life that scares me and makes me feel like a lost little child in an unfamiliar place. the other night i was hangin around the back of my university near the woods and i stared into the dark spaces between the trees and could feel my own fear reflected back towards me. i knew it was there and moved closer to the darkness and kept breathing. i felt a little relieved afterwards, i felt stronger.

my other main feeling of emptiness is harder for me to understand, but it's a fear that im wasting my life away in safety, instead of risking more for love. sometimes i think im afraid to really feel my own desires and recognize my own unhibited sense of beauty.


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: Icelander]
    #5001980 - 12/01/05 10:54 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I doubt it aswell, but complex mammals which are intelligent with a complex culture often do strange things which I think goes back to the primal insticts to reproduce or be dominant.


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: Grav]
    #5002019 - 12/01/05 11:04 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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i think depression reflects an emptiness inside.  it's a lack of power, a feeling of helplessness, or a lack of faith in your own life and what you're doing.

for me personally i know there is something about life that scares me and makes me feel like a lost little child in an unfamiliar place.  the other night i was hangin around the back of my university near the woods and i stared into the dark spaces between the trees and could feel my own fear reflected back towards me.  i knew it was there and moved closer to the darkness and kept breathing.  i felt a little relieved afterwards, i felt stronger.

my other main feeling of emptiness is harder for me to understand, but it's a fear that im wasting my life away in safety, instead of risking more for love.  sometimes i think im afraid to really feel my own desires and recognize my own unhibited sense of beauty.




This is some major awareness, it would do well to keep exploring IMO. :thumbup: :heart:


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: badchad]
    #5002756 - 12/01/05 02:35 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Yet as soon as someone thinks a biochemical process could cause depression, they refuse to believe it. While they firmly believe a chemical will help them reach god (mushrooms), they refuse to believe a chemical/drug could relieve depression (SSRI's for example).

It all sounds a tad hypocritical to me.


Perhaps I should elaborate. I didn't mean that depression cannot be explained as a byproduct of neurochemistry. Rather, that I don't believe depression to be an inherent trait in people who are depressed. It is something that is learned or acquired somehow, either immediately or gradually. In this sense, it has a truly psychological origin, and the bio and neurochemical changes are merely byproducts of this.

Whoever posted that it's important not to simply mask the symptoms is right, IMO. While in the short term it may be pleasant and relieving, it's not addressing the underlying issue, and simply causing other biochemical changes and potentially even a dependence. Psychotherapy, over time, has the potential to address the underlying issues. Combine that with spiritual practice and discipline, such as meditation or awareness training, a good diet, and a generally healthy lifestyle, and IMO one stands a great chance of overcoming their depression.


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: dblaney]
    #5002769 - 12/01/05 02:40 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

the real question is, can happiness exist without depression?


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: Icelander]
    #5002834 - 12/01/05 02:55 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I suppose that the majority of depression cases are symptom of a life out of balance. (Some people might actually have such low serotonin levels that they permanently need medication, but I think those cases are rare.)

The trouble with depression is that while you are depressed it is hard to do something about it. One advantage of antidepressants I have experienced personally is that they make you see that being happy is actually better than being depressed. (Before taking SSRIs I was comfortable with being miserable, I was a sarcastic little shit :wink:) The second advantage is that they give you the courage, mental clarity, energy and enthusiasm to  bring your life into balance so eventually you can do without.  (I am not that far, I have only been taking them for a year after being miserable for the better part of the previous fifteen years, which is most of my adult life.)


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: Icelander]
    #5002858 - 12/01/05 03:00 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

if that is the case, then i think a person should do what i already think a depressed person should do. find out what is at the root for the emotional imbalance and work through it. tret the problem untill the symptoms resolve instead of throwing a pill at the symptoms.

kotik: of course it can. i'm happy ,ost of the time. i still lapse into minor depressions from time to time, but they are easily resolved.

all i had to do was see where most of my stress, anger and hopelessness had been comming from and work through them. after the first step (moving out of my step father's house), it was easy.

i then reafirmed my values. i have them and believe in them, so i can give direction to my life that I find to be meaningful. it is hard to be happy for me without purpouse.


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: kotik]
    #5003025 - 12/01/05 03:48 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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the real question is, can happiness exist without depression?




of course, i was happy throughout my childhood and never suffered depression until i reached the age of 18. happiness is our natural state.


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: Deviate]
    #5003079 - 12/01/05 04:02 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I sometimes feel that depression is just an illusion that I use to entertain myself with.

But illusions aren't so painful.


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: MOTH]
    #5003085 - 12/01/05 04:03 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

You know there have been times I've felt the same way. Other times I've found myself absorbed in it because theres something strangely comforting and familiar about it


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    #5003119 - 12/01/05 04:13 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, like an old quilt you wrap yourself in. It weighs heavily on your shoulders, but it feels soft and smells like Winter mornings.


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: peepeepottypants]
    #5003134 - 12/01/05 04:16 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah it's weird...it's like, when I start to feel "down," I can clearly SEE (like in my minds eye) that I have a choice here: I can either buck up and look at the bright side, or I can choose to let myself slid down into the shrieking hole of despair.

I always tend to choose despair. It feels like I don't have the energy for anything else. Like, "what is the point of feeling happy now...I don't FEEL HAPPY." (but really I am just wasting time being sad) Usually when I am depressed I just feel empty nothing. It is like a void. A void so empty and silent that it is screaming and hurting me.

Then there is the other side...the raging emotional side. This side is always there but I suppress it. Then it will burst out eventually. It's usually after I've "filled up" on internal issues for awhile, and then they all burst out. These moments are terrible, but I wouldn't call them depression. More like psychotic meltdowns.

So yeah...half the time, it seems like YES, I really do have a choice over my moods!! Awesome! I can clearly see how my ego is choosing what to feel!

The other half of the time (the panicked emotional parts) ...it's like something else just takes over. I can honestly say that it is like I am a hostage and prisoner in my own flesh in these situations. Nothing makes sense and it's like I revert to the mentality of an animal.

anyway

But I can't say for sure if depression is healthy. It probably is since it makes you feel so shitty.


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: MOTH]
    #5003150 - 12/01/05 04:22 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

"The other half of the time (the panicked emotional parts) ...it's like something else just takes over. I can honestly say that it is like I am a hostage and prisoner in my own flesh in these situations. Nothing makes sense and it's like I revert to the mentality of an animal. "

I can understand this as well, do you feel that it may have any correlation to your choosing to be depressed. I know when I would actively agree that I have chosen to be depressed, I would still be very proned to manic meltdowns, the anxiety would be built up. Since I have been shrugging of depression knowingly lately, I have noticed my anxiety and panic has subsided as well. I've found myself able to deal with things that would normally send me spiralling. As of late something happened that normally would make me absolutely manic without a doubt, but because I've learned that I can choose my depressive state, I also realized that this situation itself in time will be OK as well.

Perhaps once you feel you would prefer happieness in your depressive states, you'll be able to bridge the ability to overcome the anxiety of particular situations.

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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: MOTH]
    #5003153 - 12/01/05 04:23 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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It feels like I don't have the energy for anything else.




Major point here. Low energy is depressive. High energy expansive. Inertia covers it. That's why it's hard to get out of depressive states. The energy is low and inertia keeps it low. And why exercise and diet can play a beneficial role in treating depression. They increase energy.

But as I said in a post some months ago. High energy states are conducive to feeling things. If the feelings are unresolved and uncomfortable the self protective ego structure will attempt to induce a depressive state once again.


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: Icelander]
    #5003209 - 12/01/05 04:42 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

WEll, looks like I will have a chance to start feeling things again in their pure form, for better or worse. I was using pot for years to null powerful feelings and lift me from any depression. Pot just turned any "uncomfortable feelings" right around into pleasantness. Well, I think it worked too well and started to have the opposite effect. Soon, I started to feel sad and anxious whenever I got high. I realized that instead of taking negative feelings away, pot was bringing negative feelings TOWARDS me.

Now I am on a dedicated weed break for 24 more days. I'm a little nervous about what will be revealed once the THC slowly starts fading from my brain.

I'm sure I'll be less depressed, but I will have more "episodes." That's how I remember being before I started getting high all the time. I'd have a bloody meltdown every day or so.

But I need to get my power back. Now my personal power is all inverted and dulled, dragging me down into depression. Part of me WANTS to feel that hysterical, spastic "edginess" inside again. And it isn't even exclusively a "want," it's a "need." If I don't snap out of this annoying shrieking hole, I am going to destroy everything.

Plus my book needs to be considered. I write about 10x more stuff whenever I'm sober.

This long, narcissistic post is evidence of that.


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: MOTH]
    #5003420 - 12/01/05 05:41 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

when i used to come online high id start to write a post and then halfway through just decide it wasn't worth the effort.


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: Icelander]
    #5004663 - 12/01/05 10:09 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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What if depression is your spiritual/emotional self telling you that you are not living an authentic life. That you need to change things but you are unwilling to take that risk or even face some things that terrify you or are painful. What if the chemical imbalances are caused by this and not the other way around.

What are you going to do then?




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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: dblaney]
    #5005289 - 12/02/05 01:09 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Yet as soon as someone thinks a biochemical process could cause depression, they refuse to believe it. While they firmly believe a chemical will help them reach god (mushrooms), they refuse to believe a chemical/drug could relieve depression (SSRI's for example).

It all sounds a tad hypocritical to me.


Perhaps I should elaborate. I didn't mean that depression cannot be explained as a byproduct of neurochemistry. Rather, that I don't believe depression to be an inherent trait in people who are depressed. It is something that is learned or acquired somehow, either immediately or gradually. In this sense, it has a truly psychological origin, and the bio and neurochemical changes are merely byproducts of this.

Whoever posted that it's important not to simply mask the symptoms is right, IMO. While in the short term it may be pleasant and relieving, it's not addressing the underlying issue, and simply causing other biochemical changes and potentially even a dependence. Psychotherapy, over time, has the potential to address the underlying issues. Combine that with spiritual practice and discipline, such as meditation or awareness training, a good diet, and a generally healthy lifestyle, and IMO one stands a great chance of overcoming their depression.




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    #5005759 - 12/02/05 06:55 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

hmmm I think I have alot to say about this, but I'm not sure how to get it all out.....

1st, Elley I love you, because I know what you mean. I feel like a complete emotional mess alot of the time, for weeks I'll be ok, or at least I think I am, but really its all building and then its like the roof caves in and I freak out, but I let myself do it, for some reason I'm facinated with the extent of my emotion. I'm enthralled with my behaviour. Not to mention I think emotion reminds you, your alive!

I'm sure depression is something we chose for ourselves, really this is the sad thing. I know the root of my problem, and yet I chose to do nothing about it. But at the same time it may be an imbalance, to me tho, its not a chemical imbalance in my mind, its just an imbalance, an energy imbalance, a chakra imbalance, things are not flowing as they should, something has gone wrong.

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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: looner2]
    #5005928 - 12/02/05 08:24 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
What if depression is your spiritual/emotional self telling you that you are not living an authentic life. That you need to change things but you are unwilling to take that risk or even face some things that terrify you or are painful. What if the chemical imbalances are caused by this and not the other way around.

What are you going to do then?




I agree!




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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: Gillette]
    #5007940 - 12/02/05 06:56 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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hmmm I think I have alot to say about this, but I'm not sure how to get it all out.....

1st, Elley I love you, because I know what you mean. I feel like a complete emotional mess alot of the time, for weeks I'll be ok, or at least I think I am, but really its all building and then its like the roof caves in and I freak out, but I let myself do it, for some reason I'm facinated with the extent of my emotion. I'm enthralled with my behaviour. Not to mention I think emotion reminds you, your alive!

I'm sure depression is something we chose for ourselves, really this is the sad thing. I know the root of my problem, and yet I chose to do nothing about it. But at the same time it may be an imbalance, to me tho, its not a chemical imbalance in my mind, its just an imbalance, an energy imbalance, a chakra imbalance, things are not flowing as they should, something has gone wrong.

Comfort is the opposite of freedom.




I feel the same way about my athletes foot. I think people enjoy the benefits of "having depression". its like a girl asking to go to the bathroom in school... "but mr. Pearson, its girl stuff".
"Sorry I completely flaked out on you guys...i was feeling depressed"...
I never met a happy woman that didnt have soemthing currently catastrophic going on in their lives.
I see and hear people all the time saying SMUGLY EVEN! that "yeah...im bi-polar". They wear it like a medal.
I also think it became so widespread, because everyone wanted their own disorder, or thought that their uniqueness would be more prominent if they had some seemingly debilitating mental oddity. Striving for some sign of lunacy or madness which all their favorite "geniuses" were afflicted with.

but then again, im just another asshole with a shitty opinion.


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    #5007957 - 12/02/05 07:03 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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I never met a happy woman that didnt have soemthing currently catastrophic going on in their lives.




Veritas is happy and does not court catastrophy. Just the opposite. But many women do. But if you look at all close you will see the sadness. They are not happy with their disfunction just as men are not. Yet they laugh and laugh, because they are ashamed to cry.


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    #5007975 - 12/02/05 07:10 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

You know the fact that people would wear depression on their sleeves depressed me even more when I was depressed...and I think a lot of times, it was because I realized how ubiquitous it was, and that I wasnt the only one....and that no...NO ONE is unique for having this disfunction. In fact it seems that true happieness, is FAR more sparse.


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: peepeepottypants]
    #5007992 - 12/02/05 07:17 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I never see the depression afflicted people ask happy people how they stay happy. They only talk to other depressed people who give the "keep your head up" rhetoric once they are finished one-upping each other about who is more depressed.

I am happy. Always have been. I can probably count on my fingers the amount of times I have been down.


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: MOTH]
    #5008010 - 12/02/05 07:23 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

b]EllemyshShade said:
 

I'm sure I'll be less depressed, but I will have more "episodes."  That's how I remember being before I started getting high all the time.  I'd have a bloody meltdown every day or so.


Hey Mysh. :heart:

  I think that after all this time smoking and having the realizations that I've seen you have here, when these "episodes" come now it's a perfect opportunity to step back from them with the wisdom that you now have, look deep and see where they're coming from.


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    #5008023 - 12/02/05 07:25 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I think that it can also be a good process of opening up isolation. If I was in a truely desperate state of mind it would be really thereputic to find someone else who at least understands it, so I didnt feel so alone in my feelings.

With depression, the further in it you get, the more you believe it, the more it shapes your reality. There are some points where you really do reminders that you are not totally alone because you are too absorbed in it to know the reality of anything.
but that state of mind is usually momentary in the grand scheme of depressed states.

its a lot of the reason I talk about my depression now, because I know hearing other people on shroomery talk about it themselves, gave me a means to get a grip on myself when I was getting super crazy


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5008027 - 12/02/05 07:26 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

Gillette said:
hmmm I think I have alot to say about this, but I'm not sure how to get it all out.....

1st, Elley I love you, because I know what you mean. I feel like a complete emotional mess alot of the time, for weeks I'll be ok, or at least I think I am, but really its all building and then its like the roof caves in and I freak out, but I let myself do it, for some reason I'm facinated with the extent of my emotion. I'm enthralled with my behaviour. Not to mention I think emotion reminds you, your alive!

I'm sure depression is something we chose for ourselves, really this is the sad thing. I know the root of my problem, and yet I chose to do nothing about it. But at the same time it may be an imbalance, to me tho, its not a chemical imbalance in my mind, its just an imbalance, an energy imbalance, a chakra imbalance, things are not flowing as they should, something has gone wrong.

Comfort is the opposite of freedom.




I feel the same way about my athletes foot. I think people enjoy the benefits of "having depression". its like a girl asking to go to the bathroom in school... "but mr. Pearson, its girl stuff".
"Sorry I completely flaked out on you guys...i was feeling depressed"...
I never met a happy woman that didnt have soemthing currently catastrophic going on in their lives.
I see and hear people all the time saying SMUGLY EVEN! that "yeah...im bi-polar". They wear it like a medal.
I also think it became so widespread, because everyone wanted their own disorder, or thought that their uniqueness would be more prominent if they had some seemingly debilitating mental oddity. Striving for some sign of lunacy or madness which all their favorite "geniuses" were afflicted with.

but then again, im just another asshole with a shitty opinion.




Some people feel the need to romanticize mental illness. Like a fashion accessory.

At the community college I attended, I met this one dude. He came up to me and he said, "Hey, my name is Jon, nice to meet you. I have bipolar disorder."

I was like... "...oh..."

Then, for the remainder of the time that I knew him (several months) he constantly reminded me that he was bipolar. Like...all the time. He even carried a book about bipolar disorder around with him everywhere. (for personal reading)

It's like he was determined to BE bipolar.

I have a similar host of diagnosis but I prefer not to think of myself as one big walking disorder.

I talk all the time about my issues on the Shroomery although in real life I never even mention them. I am uncomfortable with discussing mental illness in person. It hits a little too close to home and there is nothing "fun" or "cool" or "artistic" or "genuius" about feeling shitty all the time, barely able to get out of bed without considering suicide. It's miserable to be like this and I get pissed when I run into people like that dude at the college, wearing their mental illness "tag" on their sleeve, like it's another fashion accessory.

Unfortunately, it's become popular for people to say they're mentally ill and it's the ones who really struggle daily, hourly, minute to minute who suffer from others carelessly assuming a "tag" to make themselves sound more "edgy" or whatever they think. It's hard to get taken seriously when so many people are using mental illness like this. I'm pretty much used to people "brushing off" the way I feel inside and declaring it invalid which is why I've learned to internalize everything. Fortunately, the key to my internal warehouse is the written word, and I find it a lot easier to communicate to others this way. That's why the Shroomery is a very nice outlet for me.

In my opinion, everyone is just varying degrees of crazy. /shrug.


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: VirgilKane]
    #5008037 - 12/02/05 07:29 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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b]EllemyshShade said:
 

I'm sure I'll be less depressed, but I will have more "episodes."  That's how I remember being before I started getting high all the time.  I'd have a bloody meltdown every day or so.


Hey Mysh. :heart:

  I think that after all this time smoking and having the realizations that I've seen you have here, when these "episodes" come now it's a perfect opportunity to step back from them with the wisdom that you now have, look deep and see where they're coming from.


It's a real challenge and could be the best Christmas gift that you've ever gotten!!!

Keep searching!! :thumbup: :heart: :thumbup:




Thanks.  :smile:  It's day two without pot and I've already noticed a HUGE improvement in my moods. 

Much less depressed without the pot holding me down. 

And I have a lot more energy.  :smile:

And a lot less patience.  :wink:


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: MOTH]
    #5008117 - 12/02/05 07:46 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

If so many people understand that it is YOU affecting YOURSELF, why do they keep personifying it?


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    #5008147 - 12/02/05 07:58 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I actually don't think most people believe they have control over mental illness. Most people who are deep in depression feel victimized and isolated by and from the world. It took me YEARS to understand that *I* am the one who is choosing my moods. I choose how to react to life. And even with this realization, the tools I need to manage my moods in a healthy way are under-developed and weak. I've just never learned how to handle my emotions in a way that isn't destructive and self-damaging.


Over time, I have worked on developing healthy coping methods and I have come a long way, but there is still a long way to go.

And there is something to be said for chemical imbalances...although I believe that the mind and the body have a symbiotic relationship. If there is a weakness in the mind, it will be reproduced in the body.

I also can't speak for anyone else...since I am replying only from my own personal experience.


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: goobler]
    #5008188 - 12/02/05 08:12 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I love you Goobler. 

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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: Icelander]
    #5008415 - 12/02/05 09:16 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Depression takes introspection to another level. In that sense, it MAY have a positive effect on a person.

However, it is a horrible experience and I can't say anything good about it. It's ridiculous to suggest that it's remotely healthy.

People need to learn through their mistakes, not through a chemical imbalance that leads to irrational feelings of guilt and low self-worth.

In other words: "fuck that shit" :wink:


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: Veritas]
    #5008869 - 12/03/05 12:18 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Peepee and Veritas, I have to agree on this. I don't even see this feeling you're describing as depression, although many may say it is. When I feel this way I don't associate it with unhappiness. It's cozy curl-up-on-the-couch days and watching the rain, and maybe listening to some indy music heavy in minor chords. It's about digging in deep, and not worrying about why I'm not flitting about like a butterfly (which I'll do when the time is right).


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: Gliders]
    #5096223 - 12/22/05 11:25 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

great conversation!

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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: toad857]
    #5097315 - 12/23/05 09:53 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I have to say I have been moderately depressed for about a year now. It all started with me and my friends smoking weed. Im not blaming my problems on weed but It was that we formed these habits of planning out weekends but the ended up just in search of more weed. In the end weed always won. Its really sad that my friends cant realize this but I have. I just found that we never do anything. I lost hobbies and things that made me happy. But I now find this to be one of the most valuable lessons in my life. I dont know who quoted this but you cant learn if you are comfortable. We have to go through pain and suffering to truly be happy.


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Re: What if depression is healthy? [Re: Icelander]
    #5110561 - 12/27/05 08:42 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
What if depression is your spiritual/emotional self telling you that you are not living an authentic life. That you need to change things but you are unwilling to take that risk or even face some things that terrify you or are painful. What if the chemical imbalances are caused by this and not the other way around.

What are you going to do then?




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