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Veter
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Another 'kid on acid kills himself' story...
#4996877 - 11/29/05 11:19 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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So, my friend just recently told me quite the tragic story. Her situation at college is fairly typical. A ton of 'hippies', that she hangs out with do alot of drugs often, and recently acid came into the area.
These kids are abusing the situation heavily and doing it at least once a week, if not, more. Clearly, this was going to produce a bad situation. Abusing psychedelics is never a good idea, and it almost always ends badly...unfortunately, this ended in one of the worst ways possible.
One night (about 4 nights ago), a group of about 6 of them were tripping on acid. One of them in the group had never done this much acid and wasn't prepared. This kid rightfully started to freak out. He was clearly not having a good time and made it known to the group. Unfortunately, this particular group of kids knew nothing about set, setting, or any of the sort. They simply blew the kid off and told him to calm down (as if that'd work). The kid eventually went off on his own. The rest of the group, not caring what happened to their friend, let him be. About two hours later, they found their friend lying face down in the river below a nearby bridge. The kid had aparently jumped.
This could not make me any more angry. This is exactly the reason these drugs remain illegal. Irresponsibility and ignorance destroys the experience for everyone. This kid had aparently been talking about how depressed he was for months and none of his friends did anything. They did nothing so much so that they gave him acid; more acid than he had ever done before.
I am so frustrated by the situation that I can't keep this post as coherent as I'd like it to be, and I apologize.
This kid did not have to die that night. He could have, and should have had a sacred experience that night.
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ilikefatnugs
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Re: Another 'kid on acid kills himself' story... [Re: Veter]
#4996904 - 11/29/05 11:23 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thats sad... He should have at least died on a good trip having the time of his life. I cant even imagine the terror he was experiencing during his trip.
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Re: Another 'kid on acid kills himself' story... [Re: ilikefatnugs]
#4996917 - 11/29/05 11:27 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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ignorance kills, esp. in that situation it is sad really, but thats not the reason LSD will remain illegal, granted, ignorance of it does nothing good for it, but do you really htink for one second the united states government would want us to have free reign on such a substance? i dont i dont even think its a good idea, im glad its illegal, actually
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Veter
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Re: Another 'kid on acid kills himself' story... [Re: incubaby_421]
#4996983 - 11/29/05 11:40 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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I dont mean free reign, but I mean that we should at the very least have it legal for medical use/research. When their are statistics of death, the government can easily use these as ways of saying 'there is no intended medical use' and continue the prohibition. I find it ridiculous that we even have a psychological community when psychadelics exist and are not even usable in a research setting. I garauntee that we'd be leaps and bounds ahead of where we are right now if they were legal.
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Re: Another 'kid on acid kills himself' story... [Re: ilikefatnugs]
#4996991 - 11/29/05 11:42 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah sure, that one death and the other 4,999 deaths that occur from all illegal drugs combined each year in the USA is the reason they are illegal. NOT!
Which makes perfect sense when you take into account the 500,000 deaths due to LEGAL alcohol and tobacco related deaths each year in the USA. Or, the 100,000 prescription drug deaths.
So.... you think that out of all the drug deaths that occur each year, which less than 1% that are from illegal drugs is typical or signs of "abuse".
Any death is tragic....but what is really tragic is that you are here whining about a rare occurence....meanwhile how many of your very own beloved family or friends are you watching smoke or drink themselves into one of those 99%+ LEGAL deaths from drugs.
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Re: Another 'kid on acid kills himself' story... [Re: Veter]
#4997007 - 11/29/05 11:46 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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A tragedy, yes, but it ought to be pointed out that LSD was little but a catalyst. That same story could just as easily be told with alcohol in its place, or even without any drugs at all it wouldn't sound out of place.
There are a lot of people that are depressed and borderline suicidal that only need a moment of intense stress to push them over the edge if they're not helped. This could be a fight, drugs, or nearly anything that's perceived as strongly stressful for whatever reason.
If the kid jumped intentionally, and understood what he was doing, I'd be hesitant in blaming the acid when so many other variables (depression, uncaring / inattentive friends, etc.) were at work as well. If it was done in confusion, out of touch with reality, then yes, it's fair to lay blame on the ingestion of the LSD.
But it sounds like regardless of how coherent he was at the time, the real problem was his friends' giving him the acid in the first place, then furthermore in letting him walk away alone when he had already complained of being in a bad trip. Not knowing the people and the situations involved I don't know how fair of a conclusion that is to make, but if blame is going to go anywhere that seems like the place to put it. If it were alcohol instead of LSD, I imagine the friends would get popular blame. Unfortunately this is more likely to be picked up as more anti-drug propaganda, with the friends' inaction little more than a side-note.
"He could have, and should have had a sacred experience that night."
Here's hoping that he did.
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Re: Another 'kid on acid kills himself' story... [Re: Veter]
#4997013 - 11/29/05 11:47 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am glad its illeagle too, too many idiots would be able to get there hands on it if it was leagle. There would be more idiots like that carelessly abusing lsd.
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Re: Another 'kid on acid kills himself' story... [Re: aDoS]
#4997053 - 11/29/05 11:59 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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acid doesnt make people do anything anymore than alcohol. Im just glad I was not his friend and didnt feel like I have to feel bad for him. I would have had a hard time feeling bad for him. You really need to know who you are giving acid to. It could have been shrooms too. Who cares, he found his out. HIs reasoning was there or was not. Id assume it was there unless he was very disturbed beyong his own control. ACID DOESNT DO THIS UNLESS IT IS ABUSED OR ABUSED.
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Re: Another 'kid on acid kills himself' story... [Re: stemmer]
#4997239 - 11/30/05 01:07 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is there a link to a newspaper article on this or something?
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Re: Another 'kid on acid kills himself' story... [Re: Madtowntripper]
#4997291 - 11/30/05 01:30 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Where is the, kid jumps off a cliff shroom story. Its all a clusterfuck of bad associations to lsd. You might as well demonize shrooms. Good luck.
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Re: Another 'kid on acid kills himself' story... [Re: stemmer]
#4997365 - 11/30/05 02:31 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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LSD didn't cause this death, ignorance did. Maybe if society as a whole ever figures out most drugs can be used responsibly we could focus more on providing life saving information about them than simply demonizing them and pushing them into the realm of criminals. Anyone wanting to get a hold of a drug will get a hold of it, illegalization hasn't stopped the millions who've tried drugs.
It's just a shame that this kid could have had a great life changing experience, but instead ended up dead due to ignorance and not treating LSD as the powerful psychedelic it is. This is why I love this board, at least here people are not afraid to discuss psychedelics and provide accurate useful information to first timers, that's how tragedies like this are avoided.
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Re: Another 'kid on acid kills himself' story... *DELETED* [Re: Veter]
#4997525 - 11/30/05 06:31 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Another 'kid on acid kills himself' story... [Re: Magickow]
#4997563 - 11/30/05 07:28 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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That is sad..... This is the kind of shit that happens when anything is abused or used with ignorance... I think GulGen is right, it culd've easily happened with alcohol... as long as people abuse their use with anything, bad things will have a good chance of happening. Shine and don't overshadow doubt
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Re: Another 'kid on acid kills himself' story... [Re: Veter]
#4997604 - 11/30/05 07:59 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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That sucks, but it's far from tragic....A depressed kid who has shitty friends eats acid then jumps off a bridge. Maybe it was best for him.
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Re: Another 'kid on acid kills himself' story... [Re: Magickow]
#4997630 - 11/30/05 08:15 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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could you scan that story or find an online archive? i just have trouble believing acid stories from strangers. don't get me wrong, i have had friends do idiot things on acid but there are too many orange juice stories out there.
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Re: Another 'kid on acid kills himself' story... [Re: iateshaggy]
#4997696 - 11/30/05 08:38 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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all I can say is that is completely irresponsible of all of them. the kid that jumped shouldn't have been takin lsd when he was depressed and the friends shouldn't have ignored the problem. that is the problem in the world right now, people just ignore the problems that are happening right now and now one really seems to put forth any effort to help things. I'm wrong and right when I say that, some are helping others don't do shit but eat handfuls of acid and let someone die.
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Re: Another 'kid on acid kills himself' story... [Re: sic_zim85]
#4997741 - 11/30/05 08:54 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wonder how often people do stupid things, are aware that they are doing stupid things - have control of themselves to NOT do the stupid things, but decide to do them anyways and just use being drunk/high/stoned as the excuse.
People hate taking blame, and like to point the finger at anyone/anything else other than themselves.
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Re: Another 'kid on acid kills himself' story... *DELETED* [Re: kaniz]
#4998406 - 11/30/05 12:44 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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DyeGreen
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Re: Another 'kid on acid kills himself' story... [Re: Magickow]
#4998536 - 11/30/05 01:22 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ummm wow... Just a quick check on somthing Where exactly did this happen?
I go to Grand Valley State University (GVSU) and someone on our campus jumped off our campus bridge (there is a creek below it) and killed himself recently, but no one really heard why or how?
Is this by chance the same person? That would be terrible... very sad situation.
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Re: Another 'kid on acid kills himself' story... [Re: DyeGreen]
#4998564 - 11/30/05 01:31 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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as someone else said, this has virtually nothing to do with why the drugs are illegal. the number of hallucinogen related deaths has always been very small (like in the single digits) even if it dropped to zero this would have no effect on their legality.
Edited by Deviate (11/30/05 01:36 PM)
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